You have not addressed the issue of why it is for the U.S. to fix that, but you have carefully avoided the issue of how the U.S. brought about ISIS (they are mainly Saddam's guys who were thrown out of work by W.).

So what!!!

France, and The UK, helped bring about the NAZI's, starting with the Treaty of Versailles. So?

This insistent harping, and finger pointing, of who's to blame: Is best left to future books.

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Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.
--- George Santayana

Power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
--- Lord Acton

I would prefer that too, though while we are still dependent on their oil (not so much in the U.S. anymore) we can't run away. But we can walk away.

If it was not for the oil it would probably be pretty quiet in the region.
Saudi Arabia’s concerns that the Kingdom may be the Islamic State’s next target are well-founded.
Aren't US and Saudi Arabia allies?

I would prefer that too, though while we are still dependent on their oil (not so much in the U.S. anymore) we can't run away. But we can walk away.

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You have not addressed the issue of why it is for the U.S. to fix that, but you have carefully avoided the issue of how the U.S. brought about ISIS (they are mainly Saddam's guys who were thrown out of work by W.).

I dont want US or any western country for that matter to "fix" anything in the Middle East.

You have not addressed the issue of why it is for the U.S. to fix that, but you have carefully avoided the issue of how the U.S. brought about ISIS (they are mainly Saddam's guys who were thrown out of work by W.).

If you are not aware, the crusades are now and the Zionists and Christians world wide are attacking Islam and must be dispatched by Jihad. At least that is part of the radicalizing that is being taught today by ISIL and others.

It simplifies their propaganda to point out that we sent a couple hundred thousand troops to Iraq and spend $3T trying to overthrow their government. That might have something to do with it.

Could you show some examples of that propaganda?

Well, I don't speak Arabic, but ... will the links below do? Note none of them are Faux .... the last link might get you on a watch list and it is big.
http://english.irib.ir/news/world/west-asia/item/197923-yemen%E2%80%99s-al-qaeda-express-support-for-isil-against-crusade
http://www.islamicinvitationturkey.com/2014/10/17/yemens-al-qaeda-express-support-for-isil-against-crusade/
http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/islamic-state-calls-for-spontaneous-attacks-against-australians-and-citizens-of-other-crusader-nations-20141013-1157ty.html
http://alhaj.me/2014/09/16/mahathir-overture-on-europe-us-crusade-against-isil/
http://www.todayszaman.com/anasayfa_isil-calls-for-attacks-on-us-and-french-citizens-taunts-obama_359480.html
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2014/09/16/nevermind-what-obama-says-the-islamic-state-claims-its-facing-a-crusade/
http://www.christiantoday.com/article/isis.threatens.vatican.urges.muslims.to.kill.every.crusader/41646.htm

<ed>There is a considerable amount of graphic disturbing images in this link
http://media.clarionproject.org/files/islamic-state/islamic-state-isis-magazine-Issue-4-the-failed-crusade.pdf

Disturbing images to say the least.
The publication of the first issue of the Islamic State’s official magazine, Dabiq, went into further detail about the Islamic State’s strategic direction, recruitment methods, political-military strategy, tribal alliances and why Saudi Arabia’s concerns that the Kingdom may be the Islamic State’s next target are well-founded.
Dabiq is published in several European languages, including English.
No internet publication though.
http://www.clarionproject.org/analysis/islamic-state-selling-message-glossy-english-magazine#
http://www.jamestown.org/programs/tm/single/?tx_ttnews%5Btt_news%5D=42702&cHash=0efbd71af77fb92c064b9403dc8ea838#.VEuRvmNxmJY

There was a recent story about how the Israelis were not so worried about ISIS, since they had no weapons with a range that could attack them.
http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2014/10/21/heres-why-israel-loses-no-sleep-over-islamic-state/

But the right-wing in the U.S. gets panicked 8000 miles away.

And the Left (watch CNN), and the Middle.

I have always said that when the left-wingers and the right-wingers agree on something, the real troubles begin.

You and I know the crusades ended a long long time ago, but they are today to ISIL!

Nothing new. They are living in the past regarding their Philosophy, Be-Headings, Raping to increase their population, etc.

The biggest problem about the Jihadists is their absolute stupidly. They have been around for the last Millennium, and haven't learned anything.

They really believe that their enemy's, including The West, are nothing more than silly little villager's, whom they can walk in, with a sword/gun, and the population, if they don't surrender, will be massacred.

They, including any 'Western' supporters, do not, and have never understood, the REAL Power of their enemy's, and how genocidal they become when truly scared.

This will end, as it has always ended. Unfortunately, for them, and our souls: The Destructive Power of their enemy's is Absolutely Terrifying.

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Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.
--- George Santayana

Power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
--- Lord Acton

There was a recent story about how the Israelis were not so worried about ISIS, since they had no weapons with a range that could attack them.
http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2014/10/21/heres-why-israel-loses-no-sleep-over-islamic-state/

But the right-wing in the U.S. gets panicked 8000 miles away.

And the Left (watch CNN), and the Middle.

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Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.
--- George Santayana

Power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
--- Lord Acton

If you are not aware, the crusades are now and the Zionists and Christians world wide are attacking Islam and must be dispatched by Jihad. At least that is part of the radicalizing that is being taught today by ISIL and others.

It simplifies their propaganda to point out that we sent a couple hundred thousand troops to Iraq and spend $3T trying to overthrow their government. That might have something to do with it.

Could you show some examples of that propaganda?

Well, I don't speak Arabic, but ... will the links below do? Note none of them are Faux .... the last link might get you on a watch list and it is big.
http://english.irib.ir/news/world/west-asia/item/197923-yemen%E2%80%99s-al-qaeda-express-support-for-isil-against-crusade
http://www.islamicinvitationturkey.com/2014/10/17/yemens-al-qaeda-express-support-for-isil-against-crusade/
http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/islamic-state-calls-for-spontaneous-attacks-against-australians-and-citizens-of-other-crusader-nations-20141013-1157ty.html
http://alhaj.me/2014/09/16/mahathir-overture-on-europe-us-crusade-against-isil/
http://www.todayszaman.com/anasayfa_isil-calls-for-attacks-on-us-and-french-citizens-taunts-obama_359480.html
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2014/09/16/nevermind-what-obama-says-the-islamic-state-claims-its-facing-a-crusade/
http://www.christiantoday.com/article/isis.threatens.vatican.urges.muslims.to.kill.every.crusader/41646.htm

<ed>There is a considerable amount of graphic disturbing images in this link
http://media.clarionproject.org/files/islamic-state/islamic-state-isis-magazine-Issue-4-the-failed-crusade.pdf

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Could you show some examples of that propaganda?

Gary is the source for that. Or maybe you think they did their radicalizing by Vulcan mind taps? But usually the right-wingers jump at the chance to complain about their methods; I am surprised you would even ask.

If you are not aware, the crusades are now and the Zionists and Christians world wide are attacking Islam and must be dispatched by Jihad. At least that is part of the radicalizing that is being taught today by ISIL and others.

It simplifies their propaganda to point out that we sent a couple hundred thousand troops to Iraq and spend $3T trying to overthrow their government. That might have something to do with it.

Could you show some examples of that propaganda?

If you are not aware, the crusades are now and the Zionists and Christians world wide are attacking Islam and must be dispatched by Jihad. At least that is part of the radicalizing that is being taught today by ISIL and others.

It simplifies their propaganda to point out that we sent a couple hundred thousand troops to Iraq and spend $3T trying to overthrow their government. That might have something to do with it.

The crusades are a bit outdated and off topic .

If you are not aware, the crusades are now and the Zionists and Christians world wide are attacking Islam and must be dispatched by Jihad. At least that is part of the radicalizing that is being taught today by ISIL and others.

You and I know the crusades ended a long long time ago, but they are today to ISIL!

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The crusades are a bit outdated and off topic .

If ISIS is not stopped and get there hands on nukes or nuke materials from Iran or somewhere else then we are all in trouble .

I'm just waiting for Ebola now to be smuggled into the war zone . A very old war tactic , leave dead bodies around infectected

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No, terrorism directed at the Crusaders is on this topic. Perhaps you simply need to take a few more steps back to see the big picture.

It is a little out of focus, but I will take your word for it.

If you want out, it isn't just getting the boots out anymore. Then again maybe you like strip searches and NSA phone and internet spying?

You seemed to have veered off the topic, if you were ever on it.

No, terrorism directed at the Crusaders is on this topic. Perhaps you simply need to take a few more steps back to see the big picture.

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If you want out, it isn't just getting the boots out anymore. Then again maybe you like strip searches and NSA phone and internet spying?

You seemed to have veered off the topic, if you were ever on it.

Vlad + emir ?

I was thinking along similar lines.

Especially given the history of Vlad III in the Ottoman Empire. (Royal hostage as a child, his allies in his retaking the throne in Wallachia, and ultimately they turned on him and executed him, displaying his head on a stake in Istanbul)

His ancestors had dealings with them too...

That means breaking diplomatic relations with Israel, otherwise we are in the mess.

No, it just means getting out. We had diplomatic relations with Israel long before we had a large presence in the Middle East.

Now that we have diplomatic relations along with the internet those that hate Israel are able to recruit inside any place that also does not hate Israel. Neither side is permitting neutrality. Remember shrub's line, you are either with us or against us. If you want out, it isn't just getting the boots out anymore. Then again maybe you like strip searches and NSA phone and internet spying?

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