So Gary why you buying your oil from the middle east ? Bin laden was a Saudi Arabian also ?

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It is very tempting to want to build a 30 foot high wall around the Middle East and let them all get on with it, but of course that is just idle daydreaming. It is also tempting to offer ISIS an island somewhere where their 30,000 poeple can go and live in peace with each other and leave the rest of the world alone. Any offers?

I'll start a Kickstarter campaign.

A friend sent me this picture today, i think it sums things up quite well:

Far too complex ....
We support who sells oil the cheapest and doesn't want to kill their customer.

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That's a good one Simon . Clear as mud .

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It is very tempting to want to build a 30 foot high wall around the Middle East and let them all get on with it, but of course that is just idle daydreaming. It is also tempting to offer ISIS an island somewhere where their 30,000 poeple can go and live in peace with each other and leave the rest of the world alone. Any offers?

I'll start a Kickstarter campaign.

A friend sent me this picture today, i think it sums things up quite well:

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Life on earth is the global equivalent of not storing things in the fridge.

Was to be expected unfortunately...

...it's why I posted this: - "...unfortunately, when the "kids" of IS can't get their demands met, they cut people's heads off."

They say another American is next. :(

No, I'm sure a bunch of Kurds will get it before a westerner.

There has been mass beheading of Kurds, and others. Including Crucifixions.

Aren't they a wonderful group?

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Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.
--- George Santayana

Power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
--- Lord Acton

Was to be expected unfortunately...

...it's why I posted this: - "...unfortunately, when the "kids" of IS can't get their demands met, they cut people's heads off."

They say another American is next. :(

No, I'm sure a bunch of Kurds will get it before a westerner.

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Was to be expected unfortunately...

...it's why I posted this: - "...unfortunately, when the "kids" of IS can't get their demands met, they cut people's heads off."

They say another American is next. :(

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Was to be expected unfortunately...

...it's why I posted this: - "...unfortunately, when the "kids" of IS can't get their demands met, they cut people's heads off."

:(((((

Alan Henning 'killed by Islamic State'

A video purporting to show the beheading of British hostage Alan Henning has been released by Islamic State militants.

The Salford taxi driver was delivering aid to Syria in December when he was kidnapped then held hostage by IS.

IS had threatened to kill the 47-year-old in a video showing the killing of Briton David Haines last month.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-29485405

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Sorry Clyde your country is not free of guilt in the forming of the League of Nations just because you never join'd it .

Of the 42 founding members, 23 (or 24, counting Free France) remained members until the League of Nations was dissolved in 1946. A further 21 countries joined between 1920 and 1937, but 7 left, withdrew or were expelled before 1946.
Countries are listed under the year in which they joined. The word "withdrew" indicates that a country left of its own choice. The word "left" indicates a country that ceased to exist because of annexation by Germany, Italy or the USSR. The USSR was the only country to be expelled by the League.
Despite formulating the concept and signing the Covenant, the United States never joined the League of Nations.

from wiki

When did I say USA without guilt? This is what happens when we have a College Professor (Wilson) as President. He didn't understand how to deal with an American Congress. Just look at the present American President - a former College Professor. Hopefilly we will learn who NOT to elect.

Also, think about this:

The Mid-East 'Boundaries' are Colonial Boarders. Not taking into account the local Tribes, Peoples, and Religions.

Much of Sub-Sahara Africa is ALSO Colonial Boarders. Not taking into account local Tribes, Peoples, and Religions.

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Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.
--- George Santayana

Power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
--- Lord Acton

Sorry Clyde your country is not free of guilt in the forming of the League of Nations just because you never join'd it .

Of the 42 founding members, 23 (or 24, counting Free France) remained members until the League of Nations was dissolved in 1946. A further 21 countries joined between 1920 and 1937, but 7 left, withdrew or were expelled before 1946.
Countries are listed under the year in which they joined. The word "withdrew" indicates that a country left of its own choice. The word "left" indicates a country that ceased to exist because of annexation by Germany, Italy or the USSR. The USSR was the only country to be expelled by the League.
Despite formulating the concept and signing the Covenant, the United States never joined the League of Nations.

from wiki

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The formal objective of the League of Nations Mandate system was to administer parts of the defunct Ottoman Empire, which had been in control of the Middle East since the 16th century, "until such time as they are able to stand alone." The mandate document formalised the creation of two British protectorates: Palestine, to include a national home for the Jewish people, under direct British rule, and Transjordan, an Emirate governed semi-autonomously from Britain, under the rule of the Hashemite family.

Have they achieved it yet? Perhaps they should have added "in peace".

Mandate for Palestine

Defunct? No. Defeated. Treated as a spoil of war.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_S%C3%A8vres

League of Nations?! (European colonial powers being colonial powers!) That thing with the responsibility for creating the conditions which propelled an Austrian to power in Germany? And we wonder why there is an ISIL in the Mideast?!!

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The formal objective of the League of Nations Mandate system was to administer parts of the defunct Ottoman Empire, which had been in control of the Middle East since the 16th century, "until such time as they are able to stand alone." The mandate document formalised the creation of two British protectorates: Palestine, to include a national home for the Jewish people, under direct British rule, and Transjordan, an Emirate governed semi-autonomously from Britain, under the rule of the Hashemite family.

Have they achieved it yet? Perhaps they should have added "in peace".

Mandate for Palestine

@Gary - Good Lord - Asia Minor - Had forgotten all about that :-))

I know Chris. The West has forgotten how the people that live there had been peacefully living together for a while and how they had their boundaries divided. The people that live there have not forgotten nor have they forgotten what terrible hardships those arbitrary lines in the sand have created. All because a couple of damn egos though they knew best. Colonialism. The line in the sand gang.

The People in that area are responsible for THEIR Present and Future Actions.

Unless one believes they are Inferior to Western People, and therefore not responsible for THEIR Actions.

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Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.
--- George Santayana

Power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
--- Lord Acton

@Gary - Good Lord - Asia Minor - Had forgotten all about that :-))

I know Chris. The West has forgotten how the people that live there had been peacefully living together for a while and how they had their boundaries divided. The people that live there have not forgotten nor have they forgotten what terrible hardships those arbitrary lines in the sand have created. All because a couple of damn egos though they knew best. Colonialism. The line in the sand gang.

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I tend to agree, so a slight pause, while things calm down

Please no personal insults.

Also please do not post any addressees of anyone here.

The SETI rule is not to comment on moderators ruling!

He was asking for moderator intervention, not commenting on past action.

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Moderators:

Perhaps a thread lock might be in order while Janneseti calms down enough to stop throwing around invective such as 'ignorant' and 'stupid'.

Thank you.

Dont be insulting!!!!!!!!!!!!
I have said both you and I are ignorant.

The SETI rule is not to comment on moderators ruling!

Moderators:

Perhaps a thread lock might be in order while Janneseti calms down enough to stop throwing around invective such as 'ignorant' and 'stupid'.

Thank you.

There were two excellent statements made today...

We cannot change the past, but we can surely learn from it & the only way to do that is to ask questions - not only of ourselves but of others as well.

As well as people who think they know everything.......

...so can we all get back on track & less of the insults!

"The line in the sand gang" whether or not they were correct & sincere in what they did, the current version of that gang now want to bomb them back into the stone age & all because they want to remain a "force" on the International scene?

The British Empire is long dead & buried alongside earlier empires. The world is a much smaller place now due to technological advances in transportation & communication...

...so, we either get together & resolve all differences diplomatically or blow each other to bits.

Personally from what I see on the diplomatic front, it looks like we're going to blow ourselves to bits.

If these boards are anything to go by, the quicker we destroy ourselves the better & let the planet recover & maybe, just maybe, the civilisation that arises from the ashes will be much better than what we were!