Before you start posting that Europe and the USA have problems, perhaps you might want to remember the Stockholm riots in 2013. Your own country has its problems.

Stockholm has been hit by similar rioting with similar mechanisms in poor and marginalized areas several times since 1719

Sweden riots[/quote]

LOL

The justice minister, Beatrice Ask is a neighbour of mine:)
I use to call her 'Bettan'
I have met her many times.
You are more than stupid!

cheers.

@Gary - Good Lord - Asia Minor - Had forgotten all about that :-))

And I'm not anti-US invective!

Yes you are!

US are just ignorant.

No they are not!

Just as Europe is.

No we are not!

Before you start posting that Europe and the USA have problems, perhaps you might want to remember the Stockholm riots in 2013. Your own country has its problems.

Stockholm has been hit by similar rioting with similar mechanisms in poor and marginalized areas several times since 1719

Sweden riots

Yes we have problems.
And Britain has not.


Get real.

Hate it when stuff won't link right ...

Now we have a good map from before the line in the sand gang.

Yes the sand gang! LOL
This is an insult to the Arabic and the Perses!

Good luck America:(

And I'm not anti-US invective!

Yes you are!

US are just ignorant.

No they are not!

Just as Europe is.

No we are not!

Before you start posting that Europe and the USA have problems, perhaps you might want to remember the Stockholm riots in 2013. Your own country has its problems.

Stockholm has been hit by similar rioting with similar mechanisms in poor and marginalized areas several times since 1719

Sweden riots

Hate it when stuff won't link right ...

Now we have a good map from before the line in the sand gang.

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So we have a great big mess. Several groups consider the area as 'theirs', with reason (namely, British promises, NOT promises supposedly made by 'YHVH').
Back to the subject of the thread, "Should we send in troops?" my answer is "Oh heck NO!". Let them all work it out for themselves. Why should we get involved (again)?

At last:)
No one in the region wants that.
Most in the region hate this war.

And I'm not anti-US invective!
US are just ignorant.
Just as Europe is.

Not the "Israel/Palestine" thread but much earlier in the "Straw" thread.

The 12" ruler that still rocks the world today

Unfortunately, that attitude is still prevalent today. Bureaucrats are there to serve the country, it's time they were made to realise that we are not here to serve them!

Yes. BBC and Britain knows more about Middle East than USA.
Every country in Europe knows about Middle East.
USA knows NOTHING about Middle East!
And US doesn't want to learn about the Middle East.

Janneseti,
Please tone down your anti-US invective. A lot of us, even in the USA, are not really crazy about the USA's Federal Government. But your seemingly constant stream of insulting statements is beginning to wear a bit thin. Just because we may not agree with your opinions doesn't exactly make us ignorant of the subject. Thank you.

In any case, just look at maps of the region prior to WWI and the alleged plans of how it was to be split and how it eventually was split. Then came the next insult, Israel. I'd say they have plenty of reason to be mad as hornets and Israel is still busy stealing more land.

After all it worked once, why not do it again .....

Gary,
I am surprised that you had the stones to post that graphic.

That graphic shows the supposed extent of "YHVH's promise to Abraham". Not exactly very relevant.

A graphic that might BE relevant would be a map of the British Mandate of Palestine and the TransJordan, post WWI. They had two mandates, one in Palestine and the TransJordan, and one in what is now Iraq.

Let me find one.

Here we go. Good enough for the purpose.



It all started with the (in)famous "Balfour Declaration" issued by the United Kingdom's Foreign Secretary Arthur James Balfour on Nov. 2, 1917, published on Nov. 9, 1917.

Elements of the Balfour Declaration were incorporated into both the Treaty of Sèvres (Aug. 10, 1920) and the LoN 'British Mandates' (put into force Sept. 29, 1923 by the Treaty of Lausanne).

The problem being that:

1. The Zionists took the Balfour Dec. to mean the entire area that became the British Mandate of P & the TJ.
2. Britain had ALSO promised the area to other groups.
3. Britain kept on carving off parts to give to still other groups.

So we have a great big mess. Several groups consider the area as 'theirs', with reason (namely, British promises, NOT promises supposedly made by 'YHVH').

Somewhat the opposite problem happened in the British Mandate of Iraq. Instead of carving it up into several tiny pieces, Britain decided to lump everybody together into one big nation without regard to ethnic or religious... hatreds in the Mandate of Iraq. Once again, Britain cocked it up bigtime.

Back to the subject of the thread, "Should we send in troops?" my answer is "Oh heck NO!". Let them all work it out for themselves. Why should we get involved (again)?

Now, if IS/ISIL/ISIS has the dang poor judgement to actually attack the US or our allies, *THEN* it would be time to send in the military to do the military's primary function: "Killing people and breaking things". But until then, we have OTHER problems that need our attention. Not a relative few Fanatics arguing with each other over whose version of the "Big Wizard in the Sky" is correct. (Dang, I love that phrase. Whoever first used it in this Forum, thank you!)

Bit drastic to make a broad statement like that. They know enough.

Not the "Israel/Palestine" thread but much earlier in the "Straw" thread.

The 12" ruler that still rocks the world today

Unfortunately, that attitude is still prevalent today. Bureaucrats are there to serve the country, it's time they were made to realise that we are not here to serve them!

Yes. BBC and Britain knows more about Middle East than USA.
Every country in Europe knows about Middle East.
USA knows NOTHING about Middle East!
And US doesn't want to learn about the Middle East.

Not the "Israel/Palestine" thread but much earlier in the "Straw" thread.

The 12" ruler that still rocks the world today

Unfortunately, that attitude is still prevalent today. Bureaucrats are there to serve the country, it's time they were made to realise that we are not here to serve them!

Major you are so correct that the line in the sand gang is 99.999% to blame for the mess in the middle east. This was very well covered in the Israel / Palestine thread but it went in one ear and out the other of so many.

What is going on is a return to the way it was before the line in the sand gang did their dirty deeds. A restoration of the normal order.

Your are partly right.

This was very well covered in the Israel / Palestine thread

No It was not.
Kurdistan has nothing to do about Palestine.
For heavens sake check out Kurdistan!
All those fractions of the Islamitic State are responsible for the mess in the region:)
Not the Kurds!

The US interest in the Middle East are purely greed.
Oil greed and Exxon Mobile and many others oil companies.
Humanity concern? My ass!

Major you are so correct that the line in the sand gang is 99.999% to blame for the mess in the middle east. This was very well covered in the Israel / Palestine thread but it went in one ear and out the other of so many.

IS is simply the natural order of the followers of that religion. They are attempting to reform the caliphate that was last held by the Ottoman Turks. The House of Saud refused to be a caliphate and it had until recently been able to hold together the region. But as always a more radical element has emerged and the House of Saud can't put them down as they don't have the power of a caliphate.

IS isn't interested in reforming the Ottoman empire per say, but they want power and land and don't want the line in the sand gang's borders any more. They lust after power. They lust after control because it allows them to use fear to gain strict obedience to their party line. The world has seen this before, just change beheading to burn at the stake and gain understanding of how the religion of Abraham is used to worship evil.

In any case, just look at maps of the region prior to WWI and the alleged plans of how it was to be split and how it eventually was split. Then came the next insult, Israel. I'd say they have plenty of reason to be mad as hornets and Israel is still busy stealing more land.

After all it worked once, why not do it again .....

http://www.probertencyclopaedia.com/photolib/maps/Map_of_Western_Asia_1911_%28Middle_East%29.jpg sorry won't hot link and kind of big anyway

Isn't that an amazing change the line in the sand gang did? 100% for short term gain, WWI. Now the long term has to be paid. I for one vote that the line in the sand gang pay (oil, blood, money) for the cleanup required.

What is going on is a return to the way it was before the line in the sand gang did their dirty deeds. A restoration of the normal order.

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Maybe the administration has had enough of him & hoping that someone bumps him off, preferably an IS suicidal nutjob so they can have an even bigger excuse to make war.

More than i trust our PM .

Whom sent a squarden of Fa-18 Hornets , 200 S.A.S , Orian Radar plane, C1 transports weapons ..

And then says were waiting on Iraq to give permission ..Hey Tony Abbot it's war you dip stick
And then the news says Iraq has not asked us to be there we are asking them , WTF , We now got to ask permission to go to war from Iraq ??????????????

So yeh Clyde i do trust your President but not the underlings thou as the secret service has shown

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But no one in charge of the secret service so President mite not be there for much longer as it seems very easy to get into the White House these days and you can have a gun too

With organisation like that we don't have to worry about IS or Iraq the Americans are there !!!!

Oh skit better start building that bunker now before we run outa time .

Just a question.

If you were a Foreign Leader: Would you trust ANYTHING the Obama Administration says?

It doesn't matter if its a republican or democratic Administration.
The US Congress have there own rules.

But no one in charge of the secret service so President mite not be there for much longer as it seems very easy to get into the White House these days and you can have a gun too

With organisation like that we don't have to worry about IS or Iraq the Americans are there !!!!

Oh skit better start building that bunker now before we run outa time .

Just a question.

If you were a Foreign Leader: Would you trust ANYTHING the Obama Administration says?

NO!

But no one in charge of the secret service so President mite not be there for much longer as it seems very easy to get into the White House these days and you can have a gun too

With organisation like that we don't have to worry about IS or Iraq the Americans are there !!!!

Oh skit better start building that bunker now before we run outa time .

Just a question.

If you were a Foreign Leader: Would you trust ANYTHING the Obama Administration says?

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Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.
--- George Santayana

Power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
--- Lord Acton