HairyChestedSpearChuckerSaid:

Any time you speak you can hurt someone, try to
think of that.....

It Pains Me to Read Your Words. Please STOP. Filtering NO Help, 'cause I KNOW you are
saying Something Somewhere.

Yammering another Yup.

Yep.

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When my mother fell in her home and was hospitalized back in March of 2014, the days became very bad for me, and I was searching for somewhere to talk about it. I did that in detail in the first part of this thread, and it helped me. I was scared and sad, and I still am. The fall was part of a larger picture of dementia that she is suffering from, but I classify my symptoms as PTSD because of the fact I was shocked into a reality in which my mother couldn't take care of herself anymore.

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Its funny, you say just what I said, yet somehow I am wrong and not understanding. Please reread what I wrote. Then read what you said about it. I know exactly what I am talking about and I said that. There are four pages of comments here. If you want to apply what I said to yourself, great, go ahead. Or don't. I haven't named anyone. You have. Me, and now you are attacking me. That is your choice. So, reread what I actually said. Or don't reread it. It certainly won't change what I said either way. Or your reply to it. And if you don't have PTSD then you have no reason to have a clue what you are talking about with it anyway. Its good you don't have it. Enjoy that fact. Or don't.

Some of what you people describe as PTSD sounds actually like Bipolar Disorder (Manic Depression) which is completely different than PTSD. Bipolar Disorder is inherent in you and would affect you growing up. Post Traumatic Stress Disorder, PTSD, is a reaction to overwhelming trauma thrust upon you. Kids certainly can experience overwhelming trauma and have PTSD, such as being molested or having their family all die or whatever, but the trauma usually happens later so people don't usually grow up with it. The behaviors of both are much different. I hope you are not mixing up the two.
As an extra tidbit of info, did you know that people who were molested as children, and children of alcoholics both act the same way?

I am not back, I am just visiting.
Mojo you could set health care and human understanding back generations
with your "Pop Corn" assessments of the condition and care for your fellow
man when they find themselves in crisis's. I am willing to bet that you have
never been truly stressed, or you were badly served by any who tried to help
you in the time of your greatest need at some point in your past. I could be wrong,
perhaps you are just some what ill-informed.
Please, don't tell me "all about it" I believe you could be doing very terrible
damage as it is with your latest exclamations. I would recommend a course of
study, or you could do what I did and volunteer at a crises center some time
in the future. Just try to conceder that some people in here are in pain, and they
should be able to rely on the rest of us to understand that.
Rant off!

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Any time you speak you can hurt someone, try to think of that.....

+1 Celt, +1.

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Some of what you people describe as PTSD sounds actually like Bipolar Disorder (Manic Depression) which is completely different than PTSD. Bipolar Disorder is inherent in you and would affect you growing up. Post Traumatic Stress Disorder, PTSD, is a reaction to overwhelming trauma thrust upon you. Kids certainly can experience overwhelming trauma and have PTSD, such as being molested or having their family all die or whatever, but the trauma usually happens later so people don't usually grow up with it. The behaviors of both are much different. I hope you are not mixing up the two.
As an extra tidbit of info, did you know that people who were molested as children, and children of alcoholics both act the same way?

I am not back, I am just visiting.
Mojo you could set health care and human understanding back generations
with your "Pop Corn" assessments of the condition and care for your fellow
man when they find themselves in crisis's. I am willing to bet that you have
never been truly stressed, or you were badly served by any who tried to help
you in the time of your greatest need at some point in your past. I could be wrong,
perhaps you are just some what ill-informed.
Please, don't tell me "all about it" I believe you could be doing very terrible
damage as it is with your latest exclamations. I would recommend a course of
study, or you could do what I did and volunteer at a crises center some time
in the future. Just try to conceder that some people in here are in pain, and they
should be able to rely on the rest of us to understand that.
Rant off!

edit:
Any time you speak you can hurt someone, try to think of that.....

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I can confirm that ES99 is correct when she says that Counselling made a world of difference for her son. I knew her for some years in the UK before she went to Canada and was around when it all started. Her son was lucky in that he had a mother and grandmother of above average intelligence, who were not only supportive but could see what needed to be done. And yes there were times when it was hard and the future looked bleak to say the least. It was a combination of strong family support and professional counselling that turned the corner into the result, we hear about today.
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I appreciate your kind comments, Chris.

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Reality Internet Personality

Some of what you people describe as PTSD sounds actually like Bipolar Disorder (Manic Depression) which is completely different than PTSD. Bipolar Disorder is inherent in you and would affect you growing up. Post Traumatic Stress Disorder, PTSD, is a reaction to overwhelming trauma thrust upon you. Kids certainly can experience overwhelming trauma and have PTSD, such as being molested or having their family all die or whatever, but the trauma usually happens later so people don't usually grow up with it. The behaviors of both are much different. I hope you are not mixing up the two.
As an extra tidbit of info, did you know that people who were molested as children, and children of alcoholics both act the same way?

Most people here seem to know what triggered their trauma. So I don't know what you mean. Also, bi-polar disorder doesn't normally manifest until adulthood. You are also wrong about the effects of trauma on young people. They certainly do act it out, even if they (or those around them) don't know what the cause is.

This thread is not about judging people or 'correcting' them. It is about talking about their trauma. Try to be respectful of that.

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Reality Internet Personality

Some of what you people describe as PTSD sounds actually like Bipolar Disorder (Manic Depression) which is completely different than PTSD. Bipolar Disorder is inherent in you and would affect you growing up. Post Traumatic Stress Disorder, PTSD, is a reaction to overwhelming trauma thrust upon you. Kids certainly can experience overwhelming trauma and have PTSD, such as being molested or having their family all die or whatever, but the trauma usually happens later so people don't usually grow up with it. The behaviors of both are much different. I hope you are not mixing up the two.
As an extra tidbit of info, did you know that people who were molested as children, and children of alcoholics both act the same way?

I can confirm that ES99 is correct when she says that Counselling made a world of difference for her son. I knew her for some years in the UK before she went to Canada and was around when it all started. Her son was lucky in that he had a mother and grandmother of above average intelligence, who were not only supportive but could see what needed to be done. And yes there were times when it was hard and the future looked bleak to say the least. It was a combination of strong family support and professional counselling that turned the corner into the result, we hear about today.

Thank god they now recognise shell shock and battle fatigue for what it is. How many soldiers were shot for cowardice in WW1 because PTSD was not understood? You can't expect firemen to retrieve burnt bodies and not be affected, you cant expect Ambulance men to retrieve body parts, and not be affected, you can't expect soldiers to see their mates blown up by a land mine and not be affected, nor policemen dealing with a mass shooting of schoolchildre etc. They do know what they might have to deal with, when they sign up, but the stark reality must be very different.

I can still remember about Coronation time (1953) going to see some good friends of my parents in South London. The husband had been a rear gunner (tail end charlie) in bombers during the war. Like all young boys we thought that Spitfire pilots etc were national heros and I asked him a couple of times what it was like up there being shot at. But he would never ever talk about it, all he would say was "It was war, we did what was asked of us, the war is now over". I found out years later after he died, that he had been on some of the Dresden raids (25,000 killed), and Hamburg (42,000 killed) all mostly civilians. He was incredibly lucky to have survived at all. A terrible conflict between following orders and wiping out your unarmed fellow man.

In the case of family bereavements, death, and other traumas, you can't foresee all of that, and it affects different people in different ways. And what about those who are not so lucky, those of adult age with no family support? Firstly they have to realise that they need support and counselling, and secondly they have to have the courage to ask for it. That is too much to ask of some people, it is easier to turn to drugs or the bottle.

Sometimes it can be as simple as giving someone a ride to the Post Office or the Doctor or to the market or to fix a 2006 macbook, to find someone.

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In spite of my psychology education and degree, I have never sought professional help for dealing with my mother's illness, and part of this has to do with my shyness and my basic knowledge of therapy.

On the other hand, I have become estranged from a few friends because they don't understand what I am going through or my method of coping.

I can attest that it does help. My son has PTSD and while he was growing up his rages would get so bad that we had to call the police on him. I could only envision a life for him that was self destructive, and possibly turning to drug use as a emotional crutch.

We did find a counsellor that he was able to work with and he saw him on and off for years. He had been going out with a girl just as messed up as he was, and their relationship was not good. The counsellor helped him to see that. She did not have the support that he had from either a counsellor or her family. In fact it was only me and mum that she could talk to. Unfortunately when my son broke it off with her she became obsessive and I had to cut off contact with her to protect him. Last I herd she was addicted to crack and had become a prostitute. I still feel bad that I could not help her.

My son is now with an awesome girl who understands him and with all the help he has had he is a different person. More like the little boy I had before he was traumatised. He left home just before Christmas and is functioning very well. He is holding down a job and is happy, making plans for the future. I honestly never thought this would happen. It took a lot of work and a lot of support for him. I am so grateful to the counsellor that helped him and I honestly think my son would be dead or in jail if he had not had that help.

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Sometimes it can be as simple as giving someone a ride to the Post Office or the Doctor or to the market or to fix a 2006 macbook, to find someone.

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Yes, we would be pleased to hear from you if you could spare the time.

There are those that clearly need to be helped, those that are willing to be helped, and sadly those that are not.

So far we have had those affected by this give their side, and those of us not affected give our thoughts upon trying to be supportive. What we really need is someone from the counselling side to get an overall balanced view.

I doubt that we would ever have that happen, But ones input would be nice to hear.
As Now im a lot older and supposedly wiser. I wish I had seeked out a support group after My second wife was killed in a car wreck. It would have saved me a lot of second guessing my emotions. And after talking with others who have suffered the death of a spouse. Emotions play a big part. They run the gamut. Nice to finally know that its normal.
And Don does bring up a great point. But with just one flaw. Yes its great talking with others who have been there and done that. The flaw part is, As just regular folks we don't know how to heal the hurt. That's where the Pro comes in.
But then Ive never been to one. Maybe I should have. It could have vastly sped the whole healing process up.

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There are those that clearly need to be helped, those that are willing to be helped, and sadly those that are not.

So far we have had those affected by this give their side, and those of us not affected give our thoughts upon trying to be supportive. What we really need is someone from the counselling side to get an overall balanced view.

If along the way you have lost a few friends then were they the friends you thought they were?

They are good friends to a point, but lacking in empathy because of their limited personal experiences with the sort of issues I have had, and fairly, this can be said for any of us.

strong minded individuals

Oh, and yes, in spite of my mother's frailness, she has a firm handshake as always. A very good friend of mine who visited us over New Year's commented specifically on it. :~)

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I can only say Gordon that you seem to be dealing with it very well if I might say so. You say that you and your mother are strong minded individuals, who know what you want, and I think that is a lot of it, strength of purpose if you like. If along the way you have lost a few friends then were they the friends you thought they were? I can't judge that only you can.

There are professional counsellors out there who have been able to help us deal with our PTSD. Not cure it, but help us deal with it and move forward. And therapists who have also been there and done that, or at least have heard enough of the stories, and have enough empathy, to be able to relate to them (which is where I'm at).

I think that is the point, in that it isn't cured, but it becomes manageable, not only for the individual but for those around them as well. Copious consumption of alcohol may work after a fashion for some individuals. It certainly doesn't work for those that have to put up with them.

In spite of my psychology education and degree, I have never sought professional help for dealing with my mother's illness, and part of this has to do with my shyness and my basic knowledge of therapy.

On the other hand, I have become estranged from a few friends because they don't understand what I am going through or my method of coping.

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The mind is a weird and mysterious place

I'm not sure there is "cure" as such for PTSD but I'm not a doctor. What I do understand is that with professional counselling, the effects of it can be minimised such that it doesn't take over and become a large proportion of peoples lives.

PTSD

PTSD 2

CBT

And I think that is professional bull.
There is no professional that can tell me what I already know.
And my confessing what I have here on the Seti forums has been all the therapy I need and having to be 'sitting on the couch' would burn my butt more than anything else.

I absolutely HATE professional analysts and anybody that thinks they are able to get inside my head by any means.
They are simply people that are trying to make a living capitalizing on other people's woes. Fakes. Farcists.

Mark, your experience has been much different than mine, and some of my friends. There are professional counsellors out there who have been able to help us deal with our PTSD. Not cure it, but help us deal with it and move forward.

After my Mother died (of cancer, 5 months after my Father, who died from complications after a fall and hip-replacement surgery), I joined a grief support group run by the Hospice that helped care for my Mother. They didn't tell me anything I didn't already know about what was going on in my head, but they told me how their journey through the pain had gone, and what things I could try to manage it. And just knowing I as not alone on that path, that others had been there and done that, and come out the other side, helped a lot. That's why so many Combat Veterans prefer groups with fellow Combat Vets, and therapists who have also been there and done that, or at least have heard enough of the stories, and have enough empathy, to be able to relate to them (which is where I'm at).

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But we are concentrating a bit here on PTSD caused by incidents within the emergency services. PTSD can be caused by many traumas in private life as well.

Quite true. I have seen a guy get hit by a car and watched him cartwheel thru the air while off duty. Ive seen a 3 year old girl get thrown out the back of a vans back window because she wasn't strapped in a car seat while the caregiver ran a red light, While off duty.
So Id say the average citizen gets to see some of the mayhem that happens.

Plus lets not forget domestic abuse. For the spouse and the kids who have to witness it. That's a hell I would not want to go through.

Roger wilco on that, been there, stopped that cold, amazing what a 12yr old that's nearly 5'11" can do...

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