anniet said:

Could you elaborate on where precisely you apply your views on good stewardship...assuming you recognise the concept of pollution of course... and can explain how it makes life better for everyone?

Drums? Do I Hear Drums Beating? Nay. The Ghosts of Long Forgotten Tribes Beating Incessantly. Out of Time.

Got Rock? Got Rolla?

Da Beat Goes On. fO Everyone. Everything.

While Spraying Water Amongst The Greenery, A Butterfly sailed down to the small puddle to drink. I Felt Good providing the Cool Relief.

My Ears Catch A Noise______________________Future Noise_________________

What_________________'is'_________________The_________________Noise____________Saying ?

I'm...........................................Thirsty.

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And Yes: Happy. And Yes: Going to let Many Many Many Millions of People in The Fossil Fuels Industry, continue to Make Life Easier and Better for Everyone.

Misery guts... Hello :)

Would you mind if I nominated your post for the biggest contradiction in terms yet used in this thread award?

Also... given some of your posts in other threads...

Could you elaborate on where precisely you apply your views on good stewardship...



...and the butterfly effect?


assuming you recognise the concept of pollution of course... and can explain how it makes life better for everyone?


Just when you get a moment... :)

ML1 said:

Are you happy for the unscrupulous rich and business destroy our planet at the cost of everyone else?

Are you going to let the unscrupulous few spoil the world for everyone?

More Extreme Statements by An Extremist.

And Yes: Happy. And Yes: Going to let Many Many Many Millions of People in The Fossil Fuels Industry, continue to Make Life Easier and Better for Everyone.

Misery.

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Of course the facts must fit the narrative...

What "narrative" do these facts listed below give?...


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Are you happy for the unscrupulous rich and business destroy our planet at the cost of everyone else?

Are you going to let the unscrupulous few spoil the world for everyone?


All on our only one planet,
Martin

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Of course the facts must fit the narrative...

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Must not conflict resolve by suggesting that someone should go sit on an ice pick...

OK, so you've found a "paper", actually a report in an on-line news paper that attempts to summarise a number of papers into a catchy headline, then quotes several sources (most of which are actually repeats of a very limited number of prime sources) that sets out to whitewash the paper that makes the "97% of scientists" claim (which is actually a miss-quote of "97% of papers on climate change in the period 1991-2011).
source paper

The of course there is another paper that I consider to be over-stating things, but does make some interesting, if hyperbolic reading.
over statement?

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Bob Smith
Member of Seti PIPPS (Pluto is a Planet Protest Society)
Somewhere in the (un)known Universe?

You take issue with princeton university?

You upset the lie started in my state? I am.

Hi ID :) How are you?

I have no issues with Princeton university. I was merely pointing out that some do :)

As to your second question: Don't let it upset you overly ID :) According to wiki, Illinois is often considered to be a microcosm of the whole of the USA :)

The lie is that 97% of so called scientist believe that global warming/climate change is real. That claim is false. It is a damn lie, bottom line. Yet the press passes that lie off on the rest of us just like 1984.

Once gain you have taken a science question and answered it with a political line of B.S. Not really like you, leads me to believe your not you but a avatar.

That was the first lie, the lie of 97%

Your second mistake was thinking I'm stupid. Don't worry yourself about that, you're not the only one.

That microcosm is from I80 on up north..

:(

Firstly, I would like to address your secondly :) and apologise sincerely for giving the impression I think you're stupid ID. I most certainly do not. You have very firm beliefs - which don't agree with mine - but that is what makes your posts so interesting :) and why I like to have a rummage around in them to find out a bit more, as I do try to keep an open mind as much as possible. Unfortunately my rummaging around this time instantly uncovered some aspects about the authors that made me doubt their impartiality, and/or expertise, that is all.

I certainly did not intend to deliver it as a political line of um... dung (er... bull or indeed... otherwise sourced) but it probably is a fine line we all tread when posting on the politics board, don't you think? :) As to your doubts as to whether I'm real :)))))))))))))) I'm sorry to disappoint you ID, but I very much am, and everyone's stuck with it :) What you see here is what everyone around me gets day in day out - poor things :)

I noticed you reposted the links #1 and #97% etc. Reading them again is unlikely to change my mind - but that is okay, clearly my responses to them haven't undermined your faith in them at all either.

@Heeheehee :) Hi! Unfortunately my sound card is still playing up so I have been unable to enjoy The Sweetness :( I see ID really liked both your links though :)

I did spend a little time looking for a transcript of both, but no luck so far :(

I could also care less one way or the other because I too am NOT on big oil payroll. This is also true.

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Must not conflict resolve by suggesting that someone should go sit on an ice pick...

This piece is true and correct. It is the truth.

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Must not conflict resolve by suggesting that someone should go sit on an ice pick...

Evidence Right Here, Matey:
The Sweetness

and Here:
mO Sweetness

Oh, yeah. 97 to 4. Ooopsie. dat don't add up to 100. Likeee HuWoMan Caused 'Climate Change' nO addeee up.

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LMBO! Sweetness indeed. ;-)

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Must not conflict resolve by suggesting that someone should go sit on an ice pick...

Evidence Right Here, Matey:
The Sweetness

and Here:
mO Sweetness

Oh, yeah. 97 to 4. Ooopsie. dat don't add up to 100. Likeee HuWoMan Caused 'Climate Change' nO addeee up.

' '

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Interesting claim that you dispute the "97% of scientists" claim in your usual manner, by presenting zero evidence to support your statement.

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Bob Smith
Member of Seti PIPPS (Pluto is a Planet Protest Society)
Somewhere in the (un)known Universe?

You take issue with princeton university?

You upset the lie started in my state? I am.

Hi ID :) How are you?

I have no issues with Princeton university. I was merely pointing out that some do :)

As to your second question: Don't let it upset you overly ID :) According to wiki, Illinois is often considered to be a microcosm of the whole of the USA :)

The lie is that 97% of so called scientist believe that global warming/climate change is real. That claim is false. It is a damn lie, bottom line. Yet the press passes that lie off on the rest of us just like 1984.

Once gain you have taken a science question and answered it with a political line of B.S. Not really like you, leads me to believe your not you but a avatar.

That was the first lie, the lie of 97%

Your second mistake was thinking I'm stupid. Don't worry yourself about that, you're not the only one.

That microcosm is from I80 on up north...

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Must not conflict resolve by suggesting that someone should go sit on an ice pick...

You take issue with princeton university?

Yes Indeed. look into the PEAR institute.

I also take issue with one of my Alma Maters, Duke University, for allowing JB Rhine (and wife) to foster their nonsense upon the gullible. But then again it has a Divinity School as well.

As with all false religions (and I do mean ALL is the operative word here) great harm to society comes from advancing a false notion and completely mucking up the society that follows it with religious fervor.

The dialogue here has been elevated recently with some thoughtful posts on both sides. let's have more of it.

Anniet,

I like your style and presentation.

That was a very close call for the screen and keyboard being splattered in coffee from a highly jocular snort!

Thanks, still giggling.


And those people you listed make a living from spreading Market FUD to discredit Science to instead promote pollution?! Still a big ouch!

I think there should be "crimes against humanity" thrown at that group!


All on our only one planet,
Martin

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Take a look for yourself: Linux Format
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Y-e-e-s... did look deeper, just as you suggested ID...

I wonder if you'll do any better at pointing these things out Annie when we havn't been.

Cheers.

:) Is this what you mean...?



I like challenges :) And the issue of climate change challenges so many great thinkers :)

I suspect I might start liking the deafening rythm that comes from banging my head on hard surfaces too one day... be interesting to see which day...

You take issue with princeton university?

You upset the lie started in my state? I am.

Hi ID :) How are you?

I have no issues with Princeton university. I was merely pointing out that some do :)

As to your second question: Don't let it upset you overly ID :) According to wiki, Illinois is often considered to be a microcosm of the whole of the USA :)

You take issue with princeton university?

You upset the lie started in my state? I am.

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Must not conflict resolve by suggesting that someone should go sit on an ice pick...

Y-e-e-s... did look deeper, just as you suggested ID...

I wonder if you'll do any better at pointing these things out Annie when we havn't been.

Cheers.