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Message 1491545 - Posted: 19 Mar 2014, 23:51:52 UTC - in response to Message 1491199.  

KUALA LUMPUR, Malaysia (AP) -- The FBI joined forces with Malaysian authorities in analyzing deleted data on a flight simulator belonging to the pilot of the missing Malaysia Airlines plane, while distraught relatives of the passengers unleashed their anger Wednesday - wailing in frustration at 12 days of uncertainty.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/A/AS_MALAYSIA_PLANE?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2014-03-19-06-28-05

Expert Believes Being Held For Ransom; Hijackers Will Go Public 'Anytime Now'...
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Message 1491647 - Posted: 20 Mar 2014, 3:25:59 UTC

It seems odd that hijackers would wait so long to announce their demands. But it is also odd that, in this day and age, no trace of a crash site can be found if that was their fate.
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Message 1491666 - Posted: 20 Mar 2014, 4:22:13 UTC
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There maybe some breaking news coming through from here.

http://www.news.com.au/world/possible-wreckage-spotted-in-search-for-missing-malaysia-airlines-flight-mh370-raaf-plane-on-its-way-to-identify-objects/story-fndir2ev-1226859680610
A news conference is scheduled at around 3.30pm AEDST.

[edit] Multiple objects sighted awash about 2,600kms/1,615miles west of Perth by satellite imagery, 1 of these objects is approximately 24m/78' long. This distance gives our AP-3C Orion aircraft 2hrs of search time over the area, but no confirmation yet on whether the debris is from the plane or from a ship. Visibility is presently rated as poor so this will hamper aircraft and satellite searches.

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Message 1491800 - Posted: 20 Mar 2014, 11:39:59 UTC
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Those 2 long objects spotted by sats highly looking like emergency inflatable raft that inflates during the emergency situation at the door side. But it is too early speculation.


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Message 1492004 - Posted: 20 Mar 2014, 18:07:24 UTC

Simple to control that many folks if you know how....


As for water depth I think its around 3000m - say 2 miles. Thus making recovery of debris "challenging"
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Message 1492675 - Posted: 21 Mar 2014, 12:58:06 UTC

No debris found as 2nd day of search ends

"Each aircraft is able to search for no more than two hours, due to the distance from land."

However, I now have a problem with all these reports.

With the cost and the amount of vessels and aircraft in the search, would it not have been more sensible to send a carrier in, thereby ensuring longer air searches than 2 hours?
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Message 1492676 - Posted: 21 Mar 2014, 13:03:11 UTC

How far would those rafts drifted after a week in the water? The plane could have crashed hundreds of miles from where those objects were spotted.
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Message 1492680 - Posted: 21 Mar 2014, 13:07:51 UTC - in response to Message 1492676.  

Exactly, so a carrier would have made more sense.
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Message 1492703 - Posted: 21 Mar 2014, 14:14:26 UTC
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How fast is an aircraft carrier? 30 knots perhaps, that's 35 mph.
2500 miles is three full days at top speed, assuming there was one in Perth, ready to leave at a moment's notice. So it would still have a days travel yet before it even started searching.

Edit: got my units wrong, it's 2500km, so two days journey time, so it would now be arriving. Meaning the search would have started two days later.
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Message 1492707 - Posted: 21 Mar 2014, 14:18:17 UTC

Well, I think the Chinese now own a carrier or two and they have the greatest stake in finding out what happened. I did read that some ships of the Chinese navy have been deployed. A carrier is a very expensive ship to operate and the oceans of that part of the world are vast. The fastest carriers are capable of around 45kts. sustained speed so that's about 1100 nautical miles a day. So, until a target was spotted, sending a carrier to just wander about in the vast ocean wasn't practical. Plus up until two days ago everyone was speculating that the plane made it to Pakistan or some other middle eastern destination.
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Message 1492714 - Posted: 21 Mar 2014, 14:26:10 UTC

Also, are the carriers equipped with the right sort of planes? I don't think they can just use jet fighters to search for wreckage.
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Message 1492716 - Posted: 21 Mar 2014, 14:34:04 UTC - in response to Message 1492714.  

Naval awacs spring to mind. No carrier operates without one.
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Message 1492717 - Posted: 21 Mar 2014, 14:35:52 UTC - in response to Message 1492716.  
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Naval awacs spring to mind. No carrier operates without one.

Yeah, but aren't they radar planes? Can you use those to search the sea for wreckage?

EDIT: nevermind, they can :)
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Message 1492722 - Posted: 21 Mar 2014, 14:51:18 UTC

Plus most carriers have a contingent of helicopters on board. They also do not travel alone. A US carrier never goes anywhere without it's battlegroup consisting of several cruisers, destroyers, auxiliaries and submarines.
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Message 1492878 - Posted: 21 Mar 2014, 21:04:19 UTC
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I'm sorry, but we don't have any carriers.

HMAS Success should be pretty close to the area now (if not already) and that does have a Sea King helicopter.

Also a couple of ice breakers with helicopters should be fairly close to the area as well now, but you have to remember that this area would have to 1 of the most isolated areas in the world and because it's in the area of the "Roaring 40's" it's not a very calm area either.

Today and maybe part of tomorrow, weather conditions should be fairly good, but that will deteriorate again making the search very difficult.

We also have electronic buoys in the ocean now tracking drift rates, but the actual crash site could be several hundred nautical miles further east from the original satellite picture were taken (and that's if this debris is from MH370).

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Message 1492883 - Posted: 21 Mar 2014, 21:26:24 UTC - in response to Message 1492878.  

Revealed: the final 54 minutes of communication from MH370

The entire 54 minutes of cockpit communication aboard the missing Malaysia Airlines flight can be revealed, from its taxi on the runway to its final message at 1.07am of 'all right, good night'

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/malaysia/10714907/Revealed-the-final-54-minutes-of-communication-from-MH370.html
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Message 1493092 - Posted: 22 Mar 2014, 2:38:56 UTC - in response to Message 1491805.  

If this wreckage is confirmed, then where it is could have been expected, at the end of the "southern arc" given maximum flight time.


Chris, those arcs we see on the various news web sites are the possible locations of the aircraft at the time of the last ACARS transmission. They are not flight paths. Because ACARS is not designed to locate a transmitter, that is the best they can do with the data they have. Pick any point on either of those two arcs, draw a circle of about 2,000 miles radius centred on that point, and those are the possible locations of the aircraft when it ran out of fuel (assuming it flew that long). This is a very big area.

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Message 1493101 - Posted: 22 Mar 2014, 2:48:10 UTC - in response to Message 1493092.  

If this wreckage is confirmed, then where it is could have been expected, at the end of the "southern arc" given maximum flight time.


Chris, those arcs we see on the various news web sites are the possible locations of the aircraft at the time of the last ACARS transmission. They are not flight paths. Because ACARS is not designed to locate a transmitter, that is the best they can do with the data they have. Pick any point on either of those two arcs, draw a circle of about 2,000 miles radius centred on that point, and those are the possible locations of the aircraft when it ran out of fuel (assuming it flew that long). This is a very big area.

Yes, they are just an arc from the limits of the only satellite that picked up those signals. If an 2nd satellite had picked up those same signals a better area would've been determined (a 3rd would've damn near pinpointed it).

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Message 1493135 - Posted: 22 Mar 2014, 3:46:18 UTC

Just revealed is that the flight was carrying lithium-ion batteries and may have been the cause of the crash.

http://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-updates/search-for-missing-malaysia-airlines-flight-mh370-resumes-in-southern-indian-ocean-southwest-of-perth/story-fnizu68q-1226861867123

MALAYSIA Airlines CEO Ahmad Jauhari Yahya has confirmed MH370 had been carrying lithium-ion batteries in its cargo hold.

These batteries have spontaneously exploded on other flights, but Ahmad Jauhari dismissed suggestions that they might have been the source of a fire that caused the plane to crash.

“These are not regarded as dangerous goods ... and were packed as recommended by the International Civil Aviation Organisation,” he said.


Personally I find that if this was the case then the plane would've been found much sooner and closer to its home.

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Message 1493479 - Posted: 22 Mar 2014, 18:33:43 UTC

Anybody consider the possibility that the plane was safely landed in a terrorist attempt to use it later as a weapon?

It would be rather easy to toss a couple of life rafts into the ocean and hope that some would expend all their efforts searching there.
In the deepest waters available.

Only about 15 days of pings left, I think.

This is NOT a joke or a jest, but a most serious chance, kids.
Of course that would mean the all on board are possibly deceased now.
Terrorists have no use for live people.

I do hope I am wrong on this one.
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