Does invoking Godwin's Law not suggest the Deniers really have lost the plot!

Godwin's Law does not apply here as no-one was being called a Nazi. The skit just uses a well known scene, that has been parodied many times, from a film about Nazis

:P

T.A.

Godwins Law was repealed a few years ago due to blatancy too extreme to pretend around anymore.

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If you don't touch it, you can't break it.
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To anyone who says why bother with renewable energy because China aren't, i draw your attention to the following article.

He added: "For the first time in 2013, China installed more new generation capacity using renewables than fossil fuels.

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Life on earth is the global equivalent of not storing things in the fridge.

To anyone who says why bother with renewable energy because China aren't, i draw your attention to the following article.

He added: "For the first time in 2013, China installed more new generation capacity using renewables than fossil fuels.

Interesting. And, if that continues, it won't be long before they'll be doing the same in Africa, and if ever there was a continent that needed less Chinese influence, that's the one.

So much for western capitalist markets seizing their opportunities :/

To anyone who says why bother with renewable energy because China aren't, i draw your attention to the following article.

He added: "For the first time in 2013, China installed more new generation capacity using renewables than fossil fuels.

Interesting. And, if that continues, it won't be long before they'll be doing the same in Africa, and if ever there was a continent that needed less Chinese influence, that's the one.

So much for western capitalist markets seizing their opportunities :/

Oh they are. They are however being hampered by governments rife with idiots who still think climate change is a hoax and actively prevent companies from investing in sustainable energy.

Slowly, an end to the politics of Denial?


Fox News climate change coverage is now 28% accurate, up from 7%

An analysis of cable news climate coverage finds Fox News 28% accurate, CNN 70%, and MSNBC 92%

The Union of Concerned Scientists (UCS) has just published an analysis of 2013 climate coverage by the three major American cable news networks. The report and data are available online, and the results are summarized...

... "Sometimes, it's like the networks are covering different planets. Unfortunately, too many politicians, interest groups, and pundits continue to dispute established climate science and cable shows sometimes give them a platform to do so."

The UCS analysis found that Fox News Channel hosts and guests were the most likely to accuse scientists of manipulating or hiding climate data. Fox hosts and guests often conveyed misinformation about scientific findings, including many false claims...



Unfortunately, for too many people unthinkingly hooked to sound-bites, the Television is the Gospel Truth!... All for a propaganda medium at its best?...


All on our only one planet,
Martin

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the Television is the Gospel Truth!

Nah, I read it on the internet, now that is the Gospel.

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the Television is the Gospel Truth!

Nah, I read it on the internet, now that is the Gospel.

That is so true, yours truly has edited Wikies and several "Urban Dictionaries" and " I am truth".

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While we continue to IGNORE the cost of pollution, coal and other dirty fossil burning will remain too cheap and instead they will cost us our doom:


Coal gasification: The clean energy of the future?

Dirty it may be, but coal is cheap.

For this simple reason, it remains the world's main source of power...

The challenge, then, is how to harness coal's energy more cleanly. While global attempts to develop carbon capture and storage (CCS) have stalled, a number of countries are looking at different ways to exploit their abundant coal reserves.

Not all are motivated by environmental concerns, but are driven instead by economics...

[BUT]

... a study by Duke University in the US suggests synthetic natural gas emits seven times more greenhouse gases than natural gas, and almost twice as much carbon as a coal plant.

The second problem is water use. Coal gasification is one of the more water-intensive forms of energy production...

... The problem, of course, is that the process depends entirely on wider efforts to develop CCS, efforts that have, so far, singularly failed to find a solution. Until one is found, any attempts to gasify coal underground will either remain theoretical or will exacerbate the already grave problem of CO2 emissions...


All a game of the no morals and the world be damned economics of our own destruction by pollution!

Business as usual then?


All on our only one planet,
Martin

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Coal, gas, oil, wind, solar...

..I see no one has mentioned another that should be on the above list...

US

Smartphones
IPads
iPods
Tablets
Laptops
Desktops[especially those that use boinc to attain high cobblestone numbers)
Cable boxes
Satellite boxes
Sound systems
media/nas boxes
TV's
Fridges
Freezers
Lights
Printers
VCR's
DVD/Blu-Ray players
hairdryers
washing machines
Tumble dryers
power tools
cookers
microwave ovens
digital cameras
Shredders
Vacuum cleaners
Shavers
Games consoles

Those with standbys instead of off buttons, are they turned off completely at night?

Are lights turned off when not required?

The amount of power we can save if everyone used appliances as & when needed must surely assist in reducing climate change, if not, it would definitely help our wallets!

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Coal, gas, oil, wind, solar...

..I see no one has mentioned another that should be on the above list...

US

Smartphones
IPads
iPods
Tablets
Laptops
Desktops[especially those that use boinc to attain high cobblestone numbers)
Cable boxes
Satellite boxes
Sound systems
media/nas boxes
TV's
Fridges
Freezers
Lights
Printers
VCR's
DVD/Blu-Ray players
hairdryers
washing machines
Tumble dryers
power tools
cookers
microwave ovens
digital cameras
Shredders
Vacuum cleaners
Shavers
Games consoles

Those with standbys instead of off buttons, are they turned off completely at night?

Are lights turned off when not required?

The amount of power we can save if everyone used appliances as & when needed must surely assist in reducing climate change, if not, it would definitely help our wallets!

Hair straighteners
heated rollers etc
electric toothbrushes
outdoor heaters

Not to mention the resources that go into manufacturing and shipping them... and the toxins released during every stage... and the death of the high street repair shops... and the throwaway-the still working but "out of vogue old" for the new... and the cheap production methods with failure built in at the design level.

That would help too.

Yep. Several years ago, family members asked why the two mobile mechanic chests I purchased - for tools?

Nope, PC components/cables etc...

Got asked why have all that clutter. Here & now, they are practically empty, waiting for "other spare parts to come in" :-)

Had many a customer ask if I had cables/ram etc. for their machine as they did not want to spend a lot of money.

The best one was fairly recently. I built a system for a customer many years ago, now built a new one. She threw the printer an Epsom SX215 out because the cartridges are too expensive and threw the old system out (she was paying nearly £30 a set - I get 3 for £22 - compatibles though which work great).

I got them for £0.00 & sold them to a customer who needed one for her youngest daughter as she was starting secondary school (refurbished & running Win 7), but couldn't afford the cost all at once (only charged £20 + cost of Win 7).

Let her have it via instalments - she paid last instalment last Saturday, also showed her where to order the cartridges.

One happy customer who will come to me for a better system when her finances improve for the better.

I hate this throwaway society but love snobs & those that keep up with the Joneses :-)

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Coal, gas, oil, wind, solar...

..I see no one has mentioned another that should be on the above list...

US

Smartphones
IPads
iPods
Tablets
Laptops
Desktops[especially those that use boinc to attain high cobblestone numbers)
Cable boxes
Satellite boxes
Sound systems
media/nas boxes
TV's
Fridges
Freezers
Lights
Printers
VCR's
DVD/Blu-Ray players
hairdryers
washing machines
Tumble dryers
power tools
cookers
microwave ovens
digital cameras
Shredders
Vacuum cleaners
Shavers
Games consoles

Those with standbys instead of off buttons, are they turned off completely at night?

Are lights turned off when not required?

The amount of power we can save if everyone used appliances as & when needed must surely assist in reducing climate change, if not, it would definitely help our wallets!

Excellent point, Sirius B!

All climate change consideration aside, as you said it would surely save us all on our electric bills. Being frugal and saving money seems to be a foreign concept these days.

50 studies that show companies that invest in sustainability outperform companies that don't.

Slogans and PR material won't cut it financially and in the real world when it comes to keeping the price of energy from destroying what is left of our society.

+1

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Must not conflict resolve by suggesting that someone should go sit on an ice pick...

Scientific American Editor: Fox Told Me I Couldn't Talk About Climate Change

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Reality Internet Personality

For just one of the increasingly deadly consequences:


South Asia landslides 'on the rise'

Most South Asian countries are witnessing an increasing trend in landslides in recent years...

... Experts say there are different factors behind the rise in landslides in the region.

The most commonly mentioned among them is the changing rainfall patterns and geological conditions in the region. ...monsoonal patterns were no more straightforward as they used to be.

"Sudden downpours in huge quantities helps in reducing the cohesion of soil on the slopes of mountains and as a result we see more and more landslides with increased casualties."...

...human activities like deforestation, road construction and agriculture terracing on mountain slopes have also significantly contributed to an increase in landslips...

... Prof Petley thinks one of the most effective measures would be to try to tackle climate change. "If climate change has a linkage with peak rainfall intensities causing landslides, then we will have to stop adding carbon into the atmosphere," he said.


All on our only one planet,
Martin

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... Experts say there are different factors behind the rise in landslides in the region.

Gravity is the cause of landslides.

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... Experts say there are different factors behind the rise in landslides in the region.

Gravity is the cause of landslides.

?... There is more than just that alone...


Landslides do not happen all by themselves... There has to be some change, or impetus, or collapse.

A lot of rain can give rise to a lot of all those three factors.

And more CO2 in our atmosphere gives rise to more rain and more intense rain...


There are consequences to our Dirty Fossils pollution...
Martin

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Landslides do not happen all by themselves... There has to be some change, or impetus, or collapse.

Do you know that there are violent forces within the earth that are active 24/7/365? Yes these forces renew the earth; the earth will consume all and then spew out new. I laugh at wo/mankind thinking s/he can "save the earth"; the earth doesn't need saving form such a puny creature.

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Landslides do not happen all by themselves... There has to be some change, or impetus, or collapse.

Do you know that there are violent forces within the earth that are active 24/7/365? Yes these forces renew the earth; the earth will consume all and then spew out new. I laugh at wo/mankind thinking s/he can "save the earth"; the earth doesn't need saving form such a puny creature.

No... but most of it's living organisms could do with a tonic of a few less cackling anarchists... ooh was that a bit rude? :) Hi Batter up! :)

... Experts say there are different factors behind the rise in landslides in the region.

Gravity is the cause of landslides.

Gravity is the mechanism of landslides, but not necessarily the cause.

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Life on earth is the global equivalent of not storing things in the fridge.