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消息 1687535 - 发表于:4 Jun 2015, 1:27:45 UTC - 回复消息 1687518.  


While we wait, possibly years, for a solution: Are you telling her children to 'Drop Dead', awaiting an improvement to Public Schools. Then it will be to late to help her children.

If not. What do you do to help her children, this year, next year, now?

I'm telling you that the choice system, be that Vouchers or otherwise creates sink schools. So lets take an example, say my niece, who was in a neighbourhood that was only served by sink schools. All the nice kids had fled and filled up the good schools, and because she was late enrolling she ended up in a sink school. So according to you, she didn't matter. She was just one of the ones left behind by all the other choosers.

She got violently assaulted and traumatised by another pupil in her class. In the end my sister had no 'choice' but to pull her out of the school and send her to live with her dad for a while. So that is what 'choice' did for my niece. I'm not impressed. It was a disaster for all those kids that couldn't choose.
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Pitty on education from 5 - 18 there is not a bipartisan approach from Fedral , State and Local departments .

It's the Kid's that suffer and later on we all suffer as they get older and there lives fail .

In business you have to spend money to make money , well Education is the best way to invest in your country , of else anything that the government spends money on.

I hate it when it's politicized , we have the experts and we should be using there advised .

AKA: Australia's GONSKI Report for Australian Education system now dropped by the Liberal Party .

The IDEOLOGY needs to be taken out off it . Private ver's Public , and wealthy people need to SHUT THERE MOUTH there a minority
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The admin I am referring to was the small admin group of the school, not feds.
As for feds, I wish I could say where I'm at. I understand, to a degree, the calls for limited government, as from the LP. You subscribe to a brand of libertarianism, correct? When I mentioned force earlier, I didn't mean deadly force. I know some libertarians would not accept the enforcement of what you mentioned earlier via the force of the tax code.
So, if I am understanding you correctly enough, this is why you and I or you and Es or Es and I can ever understand anything the other says at all; because we are not ideologues.

Didn't mean the feds as much as local school boards, the place where politicians in training start ...
Oh, I know they are "non-partisan" but the last local election brought nearly 3 inches thick stack of vote for me and the other guy is mud mailings. Despite it being "non-partisan" nearly every one of them had a party endorsement on it. Unfortunately they were even thickness piles, so my voting rule, vote for the candidate sending the least as he has less special interest bribe money behind him, failed. I had to engage the backup plan and it was tails.

Yes, libertarianism, but a pragmatist as well, because I know utopias don't work.

And we do understand each other, well, as much as a conversation via printed word devoid of facial expressions and inflection allows.
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Here are some of the more common barriers to learning that I have come across in my years of teaching. Some are related to poverty and some are across the board:

  • Poor nutrition/hunger (result: cannot focus in class/ health issues/fainting etc)
  • Poor housing/homelessness/overcrowding (result: tired/health issues/ no where to study)
  • Violence in the home/outside the home (results:behavioural problems/not able to focus in class)
  • Drug/alcohol abuse(results: not able to focus in class/behaviour problems)
  • Family drug alcohol abuse (results: unstable home/ sometimes actual physical disabilities caused by parents drug/alcohol use while pregnant)
  • Parents in prison (results: behaviour problems relating to anger, abandonment, poverty, lack of hope for future)
  • Gangs (result: students subjected to violence or constantly in trouble with police)
  • Poor clothing (result: students cannot afford warm clothes in winter or proper shoes so cannot be comfortable in class and focus)
  • Sexual abuse (result: students act out in class or disengage completely)
  • Physical or mental disabilities (problems range widely)
  • English as a second language (result: Cannot follow lessons properly)
  • Children in care (Result: sometimes moved from home to home, sometimes not emotionally attached to carer despite having excellent foster parents, trust issues with figures of authority, abandonment issues )


These are just some of the issues I've had to deal with on a regular basis before I can even begin to teach them.
So do let me know how vouchers and better teachers are going to fix these actual barriers to school success.


I'm sure you have missed a few.

Before I go any farther, my fraternal lodge at the state level, operates http://www.rcskids.org/services/ I support this program. Let me tell a little story. Our campus, which started as an orphanage, does still have children where the system can't find foster parents. On a recent field trip for those kids down to the beach, one of the adults found out it was the 16th birthday of one of the kids. He snuck off and bought a birthday cake for him. When the kid got the cake he had a total meltdown. Crying like a baby. You see, this was the first birthday cake anyone had even given him and he is 16! Now you tell me how vouchers are going to fix this!

Oh, for you teacher types, I believe we do have an opening if you are up to a huge challenge.


I agree, it is a huge challenge.
While working on my Master's degree, I "stumbled" into a part-time position teaching at a community college (I did not go on for further graduate study immediately after that). My first full-time teaching job (while continuing part-time nights or weekend classes) was at a private school for emotionally disturbed teens.
I left after 1.5 years. I watched a continuous string of faculty and staff leave before me and for a little while a colleague would e-mail me about who else left not long after I did.
Unfortunately, I believe the bigger problem was inconsistency on the part of administration, making it difficult for us to work with the students in a consistent way (despite their constant claims that ALL of the students there were there due to inconsistencies in parenting).

Yes, government administration, with the election of extreme right or left wing idiots with an agenda, other than education, is one of the biggest problems. Citizens United is not going to help.

As to Es's list, it applies in Beverly Hills as much as an inner city slum. Some people should not be given a permit to breed. Oh, wait, there is no test or requirement for that is there? But society, the taxpayer, has to foot the bill when the predictable worst happens. Sigh. Do you think society should attempt to educate everyone or should we pick a privileged class -- call them voucher kids -- and only educate them? We can make it hard to apply and put all kinds of arbitrary barriers up just to be sure the voucher kids are from the right kind of people. After all the non-voucher kids will be just fine and not have to apply for welfare with their substandard education. It will be less expensive by far ....

Thanks, Sarge. I know you understand.


The admin I am referring to was the small admin group of the school, not feds.
As for feds, I wish I could say where I'm at. I understand, to a degree, the calls for limited government, as from the LP. You subscribe to a brand of libertarianism, correct? When I mentioned force earlier, I didn't mean deadly force. I know some libertarians would not accept the enforcement of what you mentioned earlier via the force of the tax code.
So, if I am understanding you correctly enough, this is why you and I or you and Es or Es and I can ever understand anything the other says at all; because we are not ideologues.
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消息 1687412 - 发表于:3 Jun 2015, 18:37:52 UTC - 回复消息 1687370.  

Here are some of the more common barriers to learning that I have come across in my years of teaching. Some are related to poverty and some are across the board:

  • Poor nutrition/hunger (result: cannot focus in class/ health issues/fainting etc)
  • Poor housing/homelessness/overcrowding (result: tired/health issues/ no where to study)
  • Violence in the home/outside the home (results:behavioural problems/not able to focus in class)
  • Drug/alcohol abuse(results: not able to focus in class/behaviour problems)
  • Family drug alcohol abuse (results: unstable home/ sometimes actual physical disabilities caused by parents drug/alcohol use while pregnant)
  • Parents in prison (results: behaviour problems relating to anger, abandonment, poverty, lack of hope for future)
  • Gangs (result: students subjected to violence or constantly in trouble with police)
  • Poor clothing (result: students cannot afford warm clothes in winter or proper shoes so cannot be comfortable in class and focus)
  • Sexual abuse (result: students act out in class or disengage completely)
  • Physical or mental disabilities (problems range widely)
  • English as a second language (result: Cannot follow lessons properly)
  • Children in care (Result: sometimes moved from home to home, sometimes not emotionally attached to carer despite having excellent foster parents, trust issues with figures of authority, abandonment issues )


These are just some of the issues I've had to deal with on a regular basis before I can even begin to teach them.
So do let me know how vouchers and better teachers are going to fix these actual barriers to school success.


I'm sure you have missed a few.

Before I go any farther, my fraternal lodge at the state level, operates http://www.rcskids.org/services/ I support this program. Let me tell a little story. Our campus, which started as an orphanage, does still have children where the system can't find foster parents. On a recent field trip for those kids down to the beach, one of the adults found out it was the 16th birthday of one of the kids. He snuck off and bought a birthday cake for him. When the kid got the cake he had a total meltdown. Crying like a baby. You see, this was the first birthday cake anyone had even given him and he is 16! Now you tell me how vouchers are going to fix this!

Oh, for you teacher types, I believe we do have an opening if you are up to a huge challenge.

Well vouchers will mean that those families who don't want to have their kids in classroom where the teacher is trying to cope with all these problems can up and take their kids elsewhere.

So it doesn't make the schools better, it just moves the problem about and gives the illusion that those schools that don't accept 'problem' children are somehow better schools.

I think the solution is stop bashing teachers for not being able to fix the ills of society, even though we do our damn best to do so.

I can relate to your cake story. I have seen and done similar things, I still remember doing things like taking a students shoes and glueing them back together half-way through a lesson. I've bought them lunch, as have many other teachers. Every day I saw teachers do such acts of kindness.
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消息 1687411 - 发表于:3 Jun 2015, 18:27:40 UTC - 回复消息 1687382.  

Here are some of the more common barriers to learning that I have come across in my years of teaching. Some are related to poverty and some are across the board:

  • Poor nutrition/hunger (result: cannot focus in class/ health issues/fainting etc)
  • Poor housing/homelessness/overcrowding (result: tired/health issues/ no where to study)
  • Violence in the home/outside the home (results:behavioural problems/not able to focus in class)
  • Drug/alcohol abuse(results: not able to focus in class/behaviour problems)
  • Family drug alcohol abuse (results: unstable home/ sometimes actual physical disabilities caused by parents drug/alcohol use while pregnant)
  • Parents in prison (results: behaviour problems relating to anger, abandonment, poverty, lack of hope for future)
  • Gangs (result: students subjected to violence or constantly in trouble with police)
  • Poor clothing (result: students cannot afford warm clothes in winter or proper shoes so cannot be comfortable in class and focus)
  • Sexual abuse (result: students act out in class or disengage completely)
  • Physical or mental disabilities (problems range widely)
  • English as a second language (result: Cannot follow lessons properly)
  • Children in care (Result: sometimes moved from home to home, sometimes not emotionally attached to carer despite having excellent foster parents, trust issues with figures of authority, abandonment issues )


These are just some of the issues I've had to deal with on a regular basis before I can even begin to teach them.
So do let me know how vouchers and better teachers are going to fix these actual barriers to school success.


I'm sure you have missed a few.

Before I go any farther, my fraternal lodge at the state level, operates http://www.rcskids.org/services/ I support this program. Let me tell a little story. Our campus, which started as an orphanage, does still have children where the system can't find foster parents. On a recent field trip for those kids down to the beach, one of the adults found out it was the 16th birthday of one of the kids. He snuck off and bought a birthday cake for him. When the kid got the cake he had a total meltdown. Crying like a baby. You see, this was the first birthday cake anyone had even given him and he is 16! Now you tell me how vouchers are going to fix this!

Oh, for you teacher types, I believe we do have an opening if you are up to a huge challenge.


I agree, it is a huge challenge.
While working on my Master's degree, I "stumbled" into a part-time position teaching at a community college (I did not go on for further graduate study immediately after that). My first full-time teaching job (while continuing part-time nights or weekend classes) was at a private school for emotionally disturbed teens.
I left after 1.5 years. I watched a continuous string of faculty and staff leave before me and for a little while a colleague would e-mail me about who else left not long after I did.
Unfortunately, I believe the bigger problem was inconsistency on the part of administration, making it difficult for us to work with the students in a consistent way (despite their constant claims that ALL of the students there were there due to inconsistencies in parenting).

Yes, government administration, with the election of extreme right or left wing idiots with an agenda, other than education, is one of the biggest problems. Citizens United is not going to help.

As to Es's list, it applies in Beverly Hills as much as an inner city slum. Some people should not be given a permit to breed. Oh, wait, there is no test or requirement for that is there? But society, the taxpayer, has to foot the bill when the predictable worst happens. Sigh. Do you think society should attempt to educate everyone or should we pick a privileged class -- call them voucher kids -- and only educate them? We can make it hard to apply and put all kinds of arbitrary barriers up just to be sure the voucher kids are from the right kind of people. After all the non-voucher kids will be just fine and not have to apply for welfare with their substandard education. It will be less expensive by far ....

Thanks, Sarge. I know you understand.
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Here are some of the more common barriers to learning that I have come across in my years of teaching. Some are related to poverty and some are across the board:

  • Poor nutrition/hunger (result: cannot focus in class/ health issues/fainting etc)
  • Poor housing/homelessness/overcrowding (result: tired/health issues/ no where to study)
  • Violence in the home/outside the home (results:behavioural problems/not able to focus in class)
  • Drug/alcohol abuse(results: not able to focus in class/behaviour problems)
  • Family drug alcohol abuse (results: unstable home/ sometimes actual physical disabilities caused by parents drug/alcohol use while pregnant)
  • Parents in prison (results: behaviour problems relating to anger, abandonment, poverty, lack of hope for future)
  • Gangs (result: students subjected to violence or constantly in trouble with police)
  • Poor clothing (result: students cannot afford warm clothes in winter or proper shoes so cannot be comfortable in class and focus)
  • Sexual abuse (result: students act out in class or disengage completely)
  • Physical or mental disabilities (problems range widely)
  • English as a second language (result: Cannot follow lessons properly)
  • Children in care (Result: sometimes moved from home to home, sometimes not emotionally attached to carer despite having excellent foster parents, trust issues with figures of authority, abandonment issues )


These are just some of the issues I've had to deal with on a regular basis before I can even begin to teach them.
So do let me know how vouchers and better teachers are going to fix these actual barriers to school success.


I'm sure you have missed a few.

Before I go any farther, my fraternal lodge at the state level, operates http://www.rcskids.org/services/ I support this program. Let me tell a little story. Our campus, which started as an orphanage, does still have children where the system can't find foster parents. On a recent field trip for those kids down to the beach, one of the adults found out it was the 16th birthday of one of the kids. He snuck off and bought a birthday cake for him. When the kid got the cake he had a total meltdown. Crying like a baby. You see, this was the first birthday cake anyone had even given him and he is 16! Now you tell me how vouchers are going to fix this!

Oh, for you teacher types, I believe we do have an opening if you are up to a huge challenge.


I agree, it is a huge challenge.
While working on my Master's degree, I "stumbled" into a part-time position teaching at a community college (I did not go on for further graduate study immediately after that). My first full-time teaching job (while continuing part-time nights or weekend classes) was at a private school for emotionally disturbed teens.
I left after 1.5 years. I watched a continuous string of faculty and staff leave before me and for a little while a colleague would e-mail me about who else left not long after I did.
Unfortunately, I believe the bigger problem was inconsistency on the part of administration, making it difficult for us to work with the students in a consistent way (despite their constant claims that ALL of the students there were there due to inconsistencies in parenting).
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Here are some of the more common barriers to learning that I have come across in my years of teaching. Some are related to poverty and some are across the board:

  • Poor nutrition/hunger (result: cannot focus in class/ health issues/fainting etc)
  • Poor housing/homelessness/overcrowding (result: tired/health issues/ no where to study)
  • Violence in the home/outside the home (results:behavioural problems/not able to focus in class)
  • Drug/alcohol abuse(results: not able to focus in class/behaviour problems)
  • Family drug alcohol abuse (results: unstable home/ sometimes actual physical disabilities caused by parents drug/alcohol use while pregnant)
  • Parents in prison (results: behaviour problems relating to anger, abandonment, poverty, lack of hope for future)
  • Gangs (result: students subjected to violence or constantly in trouble with police)
  • Poor clothing (result: students cannot afford warm clothes in winter or proper shoes so cannot be comfortable in class and focus)
  • Sexual abuse (result: students act out in class or disengage completely)
  • Physical or mental disabilities (problems range widely)
  • English as a second language (result: Cannot follow lessons properly)
  • Children in care (Result: sometimes moved from home to home, sometimes not emotionally attached to carer despite having excellent foster parents, trust issues with figures of authority, abandonment issues )


These are just some of the issues I've had to deal with on a regular basis before I can even begin to teach them.
So do let me know how vouchers and better teachers are going to fix these actual barriers to school success.


I'm sure you have missed a few.

Before I go any farther, my fraternal lodge at the state level, operates http://www.rcskids.org/services/ I support this program. Let me tell a little story. Our campus, which started as an orphanage, does still have children where the system can't find foster parents. On a recent field trip for those kids down to the beach, one of the adults found out it was the 16th birthday of one of the kids. He snuck off and bought a birthday cake for him. When the kid got the cake he had a total meltdown. Crying like a baby. You see, this was the first birthday cake anyone had even given him and he is 16! Now you tell me how vouchers are going to fix this!

Oh, for you teacher types, I believe we do have an opening if you are up to a huge challenge.
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Here are some of the more common barriers to learning that I have come across in my years of teaching. Some are related to poverty and some are across the board:

  • Poor nutrition/hunger (result: cannot focus in class/ health issues/fainting etc)
  • Poor housing/homelessness/overcrowding (result: tired/health issues/ no where to study)
  • Violence in the home/outside the home (results:behavioural problems/not able to focus in class)
  • Drug/alcohol abuse(results: not able to focus in class/behaviour problems)
  • Family drug alcohol abuse (results: unstable home/ sometimes actual physical disabilities caused by parents drug/alcohol use while pregnant)
  • Parents in prison (results: behaviour problems relating to anger, abandonment, poverty, lack of hope for future)
  • Gangs (result: students subjected to violence or constantly in trouble with police)
  • Poor clothing (result: students cannot afford warm clothes in winter or proper shoes so cannot be comfortable in class and focus)
  • Sexual abuse (result: students act out in class or disengage completely)
  • Physical or mental disabilities (problems range widely)
  • English as a second language (result: Cannot follow lessons properly)
  • Children in care (Result: sometimes moved from home to home, sometimes not emotionally attached to carer despite having excellent foster parents, trust issues with figures of authority, abandonment issues )


These are just some of the issues I've had to deal with on a regular basis before I can even begin to teach them.
So do let me know how vouchers and better teachers are going to fix these actual barriers to school success.


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Since "vouchers" haven't been implemented yet, no one really knows what they are.

The leading hot air about them is to let a parent pull their child out of a public school and use the money that would have been spent in a public school as tuition at a private school.

Of course that makes the public schools worse off and enriches private for profit corporations all on the taxpayers wallet.


Thanks Gary , That's what i thought it meant . Yes i agree it will make it harder for Public schools and take money away .

Tony Abbott gave (allocate) $254,000,000 to the Catholic Church to preach the bible in schools ...........!!!!

subsidising Private schools ....B/S i say bloody hippocrite's
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Since "vouchers" haven't been implemented yet, no one really knows what they are.

The leading hot air about them is to let a parent pull their child out of a public school and use the money that would have been spent in a public school as tuition at a private school.

Of course that makes the public schools worse off and enriches private for profit corporations all on the taxpayers wallet.
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消息 1687143 - 发表于:3 Jun 2015, 2:05:59 UTC

The voucher thing has been suggested here by the Liberal Party .

So can someone please explain what it is and how it works as it sounds like a crap system and i'm very sus about it .

The Liberal Party here (tony Abbott Party) i believe is trying to change our system to be like America which i STRONGLY disagree with .

Sorry but i think your system is a bad one . The higher education in your country just needs to be tweeked and i'm not so against that but from ages of 5 - 18 your system sounds bad .

Primay schools and high schools should be available to all and it should be mostly free . (small fees for excurisions and things ) exercise books , uniforms , bags , shoes , pens rulers ok the perents can pay for them but not Textbooks . If perents can't pay then the gov should help out .

Is that what the vouchers are for to help poor people send there kids to school ?

If you wish to send your kids to a private school then the perents should pay for all costs and there should be no money coming from the government .

THEY ARE PRIVATE if they can't pay there own way then they should not exsit
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消息 1687111 - 发表于:2 Jun 2015, 23:14:43 UTC - 回复消息 1687083.  

That's right, we can't wait decades for trickle down to operate. So we need to force the rich kids into the inner city public schools so their rich mommies and daddies will finally spend time and money to fix the public schools. This way the problem will be solved PDQ. As long as rich mommies and daddies can ignore the problem by sending junior to some private voucher school, the issue will get worse.


Gary: part of my btain is reading this and thinking "Gary's being sarcastic. I don't think he would go for this force." Yet, it does seem you agree there's a problem and that it will remain as bad, or get worse, by allowing us to self-segregate. I do wish to understand your view as I wish to understand Es' and that of many others. So, could you clarify?

You are right that I don't intend to use deadly force to get compliance. The tax code should be sufficient. But understand I attended a school district under forced busing. That did more to significantly raise property values than you can begin to imagine. The parents did not permit a bad school, once they came to realize their child would be attending. This raised test scores district wide and with that came real estate values because it was now a good school district.

Now as to "vouchers" the unspoken issue is that the poor, will not be able to use them. If for no other reason than getting their child to the voucher school. I'm also sure that the voucher school will "require" a laundry list of items, all of which cost money, none of which will be covered by the voucher.

I hate to say it, but it is a bit of a socialistic viewpoint. That every child be offered the same basic core education, without regard to where they happen to live. This doesn't mean every child takes all the same classes. It does mean that at every school all classes are offered. It means that the teachers are all about equally good, or if that can't be achieved, then they play musical schools. The point is to assure that we don't have a single school that has all less than average teachers while another has all above average teachers.

How much money your parents have should not be a factor in a child obtaining an education. As a nation, we should care about having the highest median, not the ones with the most privilege. I hope we have all come to the realization that separate but equal (segregation) was a failure. I don't think it matters why the segregation comes about either.
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That's right, we can't wait decades for trickle down to operate. So we need to force the rich kids into the inner city public schools so their rich mommies and daddies will finally spend time and money to fix the public schools. This way the problem will be solved PDQ. As long as rich mommies and daddies can ignore the problem by sending junior to some private voucher school, the issue will get worse.


Gary: part of my btain is reading this and thinking "Gary's being sarcastic. I don't think he would go for this force." Yet, it does seem you agree there's a problem and that it will remain as bad, or get worse, by allowing us to self-segregate. I do wish to understand your view as I wish to understand Es' and that of many others. So, could you clarify?
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Possibly Free Choice, with vouchers, in poor neighborhoods.

Oh. Neither Teacher Unions, nor Government School supporters, will allow a mother to get the best education for her children.

Why?

Why can't some people learn the associative and communicative laws and set theory?

Why can't every child have the best?
Why do we have different schools with some "better" than others?
Why don't we simply put those "better" schools in places where there are "less than better" schools?
Should it matter where a child goes to school?
Shouldn't the educational opportunity be identical for all children?

Why can't some people learn the associative and communicative laws and set theory?

Or is privilege of the wealthy too powerful? Will they simply pay and bribe so that their children start higher so they can forever be privileged? (The rich get richer!)

Gary...

I do agree with you about the problem.

There are many way to improve public Schools. But...

I just wonder about those who don't care about the individual, and their children. Believing they can experiment on them.

These parents only have one-shot at raising them. They cannot wait years.

How do we help their children in the meantime?

School vouchers? Why not?

That's right, we can't wait decades for trickle down to operate. So we need to force the rich kids into the inner city public schools so their rich mommies and daddies will finally spend time and money to fix the public schools. This way the problem will be solved PDQ. As long as rich mommies and daddies can ignore the problem by sending junior to some private voucher school, the issue will get worse.
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Secret Teacher: I'm astonished by what some parents complain about

Don't we all look forward to the day when schools are run on the free market system and parents will have a louder voice on what happens to their little darlings? I just hope teachers will be able to control the weather by then.


Maybe the school needs to send those complaints to this web site or suggest they go to the web site in your reply emails to complaints like that here it is .

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on second thoughts maybe not you might get fired . hehehehehehe

Possibly Free Choice, with vouchers, in poor neighborhoods.

Oh. Neither Teacher Unions, nor Government School supporters, will allow a mother to get the best education for her children.

Why?

What you don't seem to understand that is that choice isn't the problem. Most schools in poor areas are funded much less than schools in well off areas. Its basic math.

http://www.alternet.org/education/gap-between-rich-and-poor-schools-grew-44-percent-over-decade/

Give the schools enough to do the job properly and they will. Hire enough teachers. Poor areas tend to need more support staff for special needs. They cost money. Buy text books so kids don't have to share. Invest in libraries in the school. Schools in poor areas actually need more funding than schools in rich areas because of the associated problems that go hand in hand with poverty. Somehow I don't think choice is going to magically make this happen.
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Possibly Free Choice, with vouchers, in poor neighborhoods.

Oh. Neither Teacher Unions, nor Government School supporters, will allow a mother to get the best education for her children.

Why?

Why can't some people learn the associative and communicative laws and set theory?

Why can't every child have the best?
Why do we have different schools with some "better" than others?
Why don't we simply put those "better" schools in places where there are "less than better" schools?
Should it matter where a child goes to school?
Shouldn't the educational opportunity be identical for all children?

Why can't some people learn the associative and communicative laws and set theory?

Or is privilege of the wealthy too powerful? Will they simply pay and bribe so that their children start higher so they can forever be privileged? (The rich get richer!)
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Secret Teacher: I'm astonished by what some parents complain about

Don't we all look forward to the day when schools are run on the free market system and parents will have a louder voice on what happens to their little darlings? I just hope teachers will be able to control the weather by then.


Maybe the school needs to send those complaints to this web site or suggest they go to the web site in your reply emails to complaints like that here it is .


http://www.god.com

on second thoughts maybe not you might get fired . hehehehehehe
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