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消息 1660257 - 发表于:1 Apr 2015, 12:00:05 UTC - 回复消息 1659881.  

It was also tongue in cheek.

Pretty sure about that, but where was the ":-)" you know how picky some are around here ----> :-) <-----

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Your sarcasm is noted :-)
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消息 1659881 - 发表于:31 Mar 2015, 16:25:08 UTC

It was also tongue in cheek.

Pretty sure about that, but where was the ":-)" you know how picky some are around here ----> :-) <-----
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As a civilised society we cannot just stand by and see innocent women and children, and persecuted minorities, end up being slaughtered in these conflicts, that is not how we choose to live. Boots on the ground is a last option, we prefer to help the allies with air and sea power.
When it comes to slaughtering children and minorities of other nations, Britain's got form. Time someone else had a go at fixing the problem.

in case Germany ever gets ideas again,

That is a hang over from WWII attitudes, and is not valid today or in the foreseeable future. Russia and IS are more of a threat.
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As a civilised society we cannot just stand by and see innocent women and children, and persecuted minorities, end up being slaughtered in these conflicts, that is not how we choose to live.

White Man's Burden.

Maybe it's time that the countries concerned accept that burden themselves.
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As a civilised society we cannot just stand by and see innocent women and children, and persecuted minorities, end up being slaughtered in these conflicts, that is not how we choose to live.

White Man's Burden.
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消息 1659847 - 发表于:31 Mar 2015, 15:24:06 UTC

Also would help if we stopped sending troops to middle east countries. It seems to be a never ending game of whack-a-mole, as soon as one country has been flattened another 'threat' pops up. If they're that determined to kill each other we should just leave them to it.

As a civilised society we cannot just stand by and see innocent women and children, and persecuted minorities, end up being slaughtered in these conflicts, that is not how we choose to live. Boots on the ground is a last option, we prefer to help the allies with air and sea power.

We should still maintain the army,

Yes we should, not least to support our obligations to NATO.

in case Germany ever gets ideas again,

That is a hang over from WWII attitudes, and is not valid today or in the foreseeable future. Russia and IS are more of a threat.

but keep them in this country and spend the vast sums of money saved on stuff like hospitals and education.

Much of the armed forces cost is from training, exercises, and combat readiness. The BAOR was scrapped in favour of the smaller BFG. As part of plans, the British Army will be reduced by 23 regular units, and by 2020 will number 112,000 soldiers, of whom 82,000 will be regulars and 30,000 will be reservists. Armed forces reductions.

Whether the government spends any savings upon what you propose is another matter. I gather that there was an enormous financial black hole at the MOD after 13 years of Labour rule, so these cuts in army costs are more likely to be used to try to balance the books.
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It's too early for the "second coming" so miracles we'll have to wait that bit longer for.
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Some people will say that if we didn't provide all this overseas aid to countries where they don't deserve it or it is not needed, that could fund it. But the figures wouldn't add up. I wish I had an answer to it all, but I don't.

It'd be a good start though.
I'm not against helping countries that have suffered a natural disaster, like the earthquake in Haiti etc, but pouring money into the black holes that are India, Afghanistan, Zimbabwe, etc, then saying we can't afford new cancer drugs really grates!

Also would help if we stopped sending troops to middle east countries. It seems to be a never ending game of whack-a-mole, as soon as one country has been flattened another 'threat' pops up. If they're that determined to kill each other we should just leave them to it.
We should still maintain the army, in case Germany ever gets ideas again, but keep them in this country and spend the vast sums of money saved on stuff like hospitals and education.
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消息 1659752 - 发表于:31 Mar 2015, 10:10:42 UTC

I'd like to see more people refusing to pay these loans back. Student debt is a big problem in American and Canada, and is getting that way in the K.

It is already that way now in the UK, but I'm not sure suggesting Civil disobedience is the best way forward.

An educated populace is a foundation stone to a functioning democracy. Universities should be, if not free, then at the very least affordable.

Agree as a matter or principle and would also say that it should be affordable to those on lower incomes via grants in addition to lower fees. But the big problem is where the money would come from? It would have to be paid for in higher taxes, VAT increases and cuts elsewhere.

Because the scheme was set up stupid to begin with. That is what happens when you try to apply free-market ideas to something that absolutely should be in the public sector such as education.

I guess that as there wasn't enough funding from the state, they effectively privatised it to those that could afford to pay. Of course education should be in the private sector, as should the four utilities and national transport. This idea of a free market benefiting the consumer has been shown not to work.

Some people will say that if we didn't provide all this overseas aid to countries where they don't deserve it or it is not needed, that could fund it. But the figures wouldn't add up. I wish I had an answer to it all, but I don't.

they also wish to have Local school Boards, like i believe the States have .

In the UK we have Local Education Authorities, and each School has a Board of Governors, the USA has I believe School Districts and PTA's.
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I am, and will continue to, pay for mine. Affordability is key.
However, I will soon be filling these forms out: Public Service Loan Forgiveness (PSLF)


Here you would not owe $100,000 + student loans as it's regulated and subzidised by Fed and state Governments .

Christopher Pine Minister for Education want's to deregulate the system , but that would mean over time the Uni free's will increase and become like your system and they don't wish to stop there , they also wish to have Local school Boards, like i believe the States have .

Big no to second one ...YOU END UP WITH WITH stupid boards teaching B/S like

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A revolt is growing as more people refuse to pay back student loans
I'd like to see more people refusing to pay these loans back. Student debt is a big problem in American and Canada, and is getting that way in the UK.

An educated populace is a foundation stone to a functioning democracy, I suspect anyone who wants to throw barriers in the way of people becoming educated. Universities should be, if not free, then at the very least affordable.

But granting the discharges could mean the loss of billions of dollars in taxpayer money and set a precedent for future requests for loan forgiveness.

Another fine mess the taxpayer will have to pay for, or the taxpayer's children and grand children.

Because the scheme was set up stupid to begin with. That is what happens when you try to apply free-market ideas to something that absolutely should be in the public sector such as education.

The idea of for-profit schools and universities is so obviously idiotic and open to abuse.


I am, and will continue to, pay for mine. Affordability is key.
However, I will soon be filling these forms out: Public Service Loan Forgiveness (PSLF)
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Because the scheme was set up stupid to begin with. That is what happens when you try to apply free-market ideas to something that absolutely should be in the public sector such as education.

The idea of for-profit schools and universities is so obviously idiotic and open to abuse.
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Here in Australia things at the moment are different but because the current government has been listening to there American friends they are trying to turn our system into the American system ......You Americans do get some things wrong sometimes so take some of your education ideas and bxxxxx off
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A revolt is growing as more people refuse to pay back student loans
I'd like to see more people refusing to pay these loans back. Student debt is a big problem in American and Canada, and is getting that way in the UK.

An educated populace is a foundation stone to a functioning democracy, I suspect anyone who wants to throw barriers in the way of people becoming educated. Universities should be, if not free, then at the very least affordable.

But granting the discharges could mean the loss of billions of dollars in taxpayer money and set a precedent for future requests for loan forgiveness.

Another fine mess the taxpayer will have to pay for, or the taxpayer's children and grand children.

Because the scheme was set up stupid to begin with. That is what happens when you try to apply free-market ideas to something that absolutely should be in the public sector such as education.

The idea of for-profit schools and universities is so obviously idiotic and open to abuse.
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A revolt is growing as more people refuse to pay back student loans
I'd like to see more people refusing to pay these loans back. Student debt is a big problem in American and Canada, and is getting that way in the UK.

An educated populace is a foundation stone to a functioning democracy, I suspect anyone who wants to throw barriers in the way of people becoming educated. Universities should be, if not free, then at the very least affordable.

But granting the discharges could mean the loss of billions of dollars in taxpayer money and set a precedent for future requests for loan forgiveness.

Another fine mess the taxpayer will have to pay for, or the taxpayer's children and grand children.
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A revolt is growing as more people refuse to pay back student loans
I'd like to see more people refusing to pay these loans back. Student debt is a big problem in American and Canada, and is getting that way in the UK.

An educated populace is a foundation stone to a functioning democracy, I suspect anyone who wants to throw barriers in the way of people becoming educated. Universities should be, if not free, then at the very least affordable.
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消息 1658885 - 发表于:29 Mar 2015, 17:27:12 UTC - 回复消息 1658875.  

We'll see how far this one gets.

School Heads

"Prime Minister David Cameron announced this month that adults in positions of responsibility could face prison sentences of up to five years if they failed to report allegations of the neglect or abuse of children."

So we can expect to see more teachers, judges, police officers, politicians & civil servants convicted then.

I can see more cases where false allegations are made because these adults are scared of getting it wrong.

There is that, but Rotherham has shown the other side of that coin.
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We'll see how far this one gets.

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"Prime Minister David Cameron announced this month that adults in positions of responsibility could face prison sentences of up to five years if they failed to report allegations of the neglect or abuse of children."

So we can expect to see more teachers, judges, police officers, politicians & civil servants convicted then.

I can see more cases where false allegations are made because these adults are scared of getting it wrong.

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We'll see how far this one gets.

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"Prime Minister David Cameron announced this month that adults in positions of responsibility could face prison sentences of up to five years if they failed to report allegations of the neglect or abuse of children."

So we can expect to see more teachers, judges, police officers, politicians & civil servants convicted then.

I can see more cases where false allegations are made because these adults are scared of getting it wrong.
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We'll see how far this one gets.

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"Prime Minister David Cameron announced this month that adults in positions of responsibility could face prison sentences of up to five years if they failed to report allegations of the neglect or abuse of children."

So we can expect to see more teachers, judges, police officers, politicians & civil servants convicted then.
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