> I don't expect people to always agree, but I think I can expect these things
> to be logically considered. Nothing is an apples-to-apples comparision, but
> we must learn from history.

I hope the americans do so. look what happened in iraq, when the former Bush-Buddie Saddam was 'bombed to the stone ages', on the reasoning of a bunch of lies (chemical- biological- and nuclear weapons just imagined by idiological neo-cons and presented as facts).

I definetly agree that something has to be done to iran, but at least it is far more democratic than Saudi-Arabia. So why not bomb them?

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> What would have happened if France, the Soviet Union and England (and others)
> would have taken preemptive action against Germany in the late 1930's while
> they were violating the Versailles Treaty?

The SU with Stalin was fine with Hitler, because he gave 'em the Baltics and Poland. And I thiknk the 'West' was fine with him because he was no Commie. wasn't that also the reason for the Americans in South America for supporting his successors pinochet, Somoza, Batista....

> What would have happened if
> Germany would have made the atomic bomb before the US?? Food for thought that
> applies to this story.

Couldn't have done it, they sent most of the good german scientists either abroad or to the gas chambers because of their religion. The remaining few 'arians' had to work on rockets. (Which they continued to do in America after the war).

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> Couldn't have done it, they sent most of the good german scientists either > abroad or to the gas chambers because of their religion. The remaining > few 'arians' had to work on rockets. (Which they continued to do in America > after the war).

Not true. The Germans had some of the best physicists of the 20th Centry and some of them were actively working on the bomb. If you knew how an atomic bomb is produced you'd know that making a crude atomic weapon is not difficult.

You're just side-stepping the point of my questions.

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> Not true. The Germans had some of the best physicists of the 20th Centry and
> some of them were actively working on the bomb. If you knew how an atomic
> bomb is produced you'd know that making a crude atomic weapon is not
> difficult.

You're probably right. What i heard/read about them (perhaps it's just a legend created as a 'Persil-Schein') is, they were deliberatly slow.

> You're just side-stepping the point of my questions.

No. There is no comparsion between Iran and the Drittes Reich. It's just the new McCarthyism towards the muslims. The Commies have gone, so who can we use next as an excuse? As is proven in Iraq, the american war created the terrorists it was supposed to destroy. even the CIA are saying, that Iraq is now a more prolific breeding and training ground than even Afghanistan. And there were at least terrorists before the intervention.

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Where are you getting this information?

> As is proven in Iraq, the american war created the
> terrorists it was supposed to destroy. even the CIA are saying, that Iraq is
> now a more prolific breeding and training ground than even Afghanistan. And
> there were at least terrorists before the intervention.
>

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> Where are you getting this information?
>
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A7460-2005Jan13.html

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> > Where are you getting this information?
> >
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A7460-2005Jan13.html

Ah, the Washington Post, now there's an unbiased source.

The use of certain words, in themselves, can show bias. In this case, one could say that Iraq created more terrorists; but it has also been explained that many of those who are the remnants of the Iraqi army have discarded their uniforms and become insurgents (these can be considered terrorists) and a call has gone out for militant Islamic fundamentalists from other countries to go to Iraq to fight the coalition, and these are also terrorists. It is clear that the Post claims, while not completely untrue, give a completely different slant to this issue.

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Anybody know who's stretching the posts. My res 1280x1024 and I'm still having to scroll to the right to read it all.

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I'm not having any problems with the screen.

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> Anybody know who's stretching the posts. My res 1280x1024 and I'm still having
> to scroll to the right to read it all.
>
> Time at Cas's Place: Tue 18 January 2005, 19:37:45 (GMT Standard Time)
>
>
>

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> Anybody know who's stretching the posts. My res 1280x1024 and I'm still having
> to scroll to the right to read it all.
>
> Time at Cas's Place: Tue 18 January 2005, 19:37:45 (GMT Standard Time)
>

That would be Tom by the looks of it... His posts are not wrapping as they should for some reason..

Maybe his computer thinks it's legally entitled not to wrap...

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> I'm not having any problems with the screen.
>
> Jim
>
> > Anybody know who's stretching the posts. My res 1280x1024 and I'm still
> having
> > to scroll to the right to read it all.
> >
> > Time at Cas's Place: Tue 18 January 2005, 19:37:45 (GMT Standard Time)
> >
> >
> >
>
Must be just me then. Hey ho!!

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> > Anybody know who's stretching the posts. My res 1280x1024 and I'm still
> having
> > to scroll to the right to read it all.
> >
> > Time at Cas's Place: Tue 18 January 2005, 19:37:45 (GMT Standard Time)
> >
>
> That would be Tom by the looks of it... His posts are not wrapping as they
> should for some reason..
>
> Maybe his computer thinks it's legally entitled not to wrap...
>

Actually the orginal poster did not wrap correctly..

Sorry for the falsely accusing you Tom!!!

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> I'm not having any problems with the screen.

> Jim
>
> > Anybody know who's stretching the posts. My res 1280x1024 and I'm still
> > having to scroll to the right to read it all.
> >
>Must be just me then. Hey ho!!

It's me as well.
Last time I had it, it was caused by a monstrous picture, I think by Guido, but this time I don't see anything like it.

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> > > Anybody know who's stretching the posts. My res 1280x1024 and I'm
> still
> > > having to scroll to the right to read it all.
> > >
> >Must be just me then. Hey ho!!
>
> It's me as well.
> Last time I had it, it was caused by a monstrous picture, I think by Guido,
> but this time I don't see anything like it.
>
Me neither. Checked through the thread but can't find anything. Oh well!!

Time at Cas's Place: Tue 18 January 2005, 20:14:46 (GMT Standard Time)

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Replacing 15" monitors with 800x600 res would be a good start.

I know, money doesn't grow on trees. Check the pawn shops.

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> I know, money doesn't grow on trees. Check the pawn shops.

Did it several years ago. Current Installation: 19" TFT, 1280x1024.
But still faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar too wide

[edit/ but it's still to scroll, even with lesser aaaaaaaaaa:-( edit/]

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Ok, my screen didn't scroll until after this message.

Jim

> > I know, money doesn't grow on trees. Check the pawn shops.
>
> Did it several years ago. Current Installation: 19" TFT, 1280x1024.
> But still
> faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar
> too wide
>

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> Replacing 15" monitors with 800x600 res would be a good start.
>
> I know, money doesn't grow on trees. Check the pawn shops.
>
I did!!!! Got 2 19" LCD flat screen monitors, but the thread is still
too wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiidddddddddddddddeeeeeeeeeeeee.

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> Ah, the Washington Post, now there's an unbiased source.

ACK (without sarcasm;-). Not as the extreme rightwinged FOX-Crap

> The use of certain words, in themselves, can show bias. In this case, one
> could say that Iraq created more terrorists; but it has also been explained
> that many of those who are the remnants of the Iraqi army have discarded their
> uniforms and become insurgents (these can be considered terrorists)

insurgents = terrorists? Probably most of them. But after Abu-Ghraib there is also a very good reason to get rid of them torturers (all of them, Saddams and Rummys).

> and a call has gone out for militant Islamic fundamentalists from other
> countries to go to Iraq to fight the coalition, and these are also terrorists.

Isn't that the definition of 'breeding ground' and 'training ground'?

> It is clear that the Post claims, while not completely untrue, give a
> completely different slant to this issue.

One fact is clear: There were no connections between Saddam and Al-Qaida before the war (at least no other then between the Bush and North-Korea, i.e. some loose talks). Now there is beyond any doubt a great connection between Iraq and Al-Qaida.
So the war produced the opposite of what was intended.
No doubt, Iraq without Saddam is like Chile without Pinochet, or Cuba without Battista, or Nicaragua without Somoza, or Cambodia without Pol Pot....but does this justify the death of tens of thousand iraqi civilians? And the end of multinationalism (UN) as opposite to extreme nationalism (who's not with us is against us, coalition of the 'willing')?
IMO not.

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> > Replacing 15" monitors with 800x600 res would be a good start.
> >
> > I know, money doesn't grow on trees. Check the pawn shops.
> >
> I did!!!! Got 2 19" LCD flat screen monitors, but the thread is still
> too wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiidddddddddddddddeeeeeeeeeeeee.
>
> Time at Cas's Place: Tue 18 January 2005, 21:32:29 (GMT Standard Time)
>
>
Increase your resolution. 1680x1050 works for me.

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