Yes there is a PTSD thread. Its in the Cafe. It is open to all. PTSD does not just affect combat veterans. It can happen to anyone, For a lot of reasons.

You are not required to post if you dont want to. Maybe just reading about what others have gone through and how they have coped or not coped can help you.

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Old James

There's a PTSD thread?

If you haven't found it it is Over in the Cafe - The PTSD thread

I know My Mother, when I was a baby, toddler, child, pre-teen, and teen was In The Same House/Apt./Duplex, but, There Was No Bonding. I Felt Nothing towards Her. Near her Death and Afterwards I Hated/Hate Her.

Oh Yeah, same with Dad. Worthless Parents for Love and Support. And Food. I was Malnourished all my Young life. Not from being Poor, from Parents who liked Their Life more than their Kids.

Really, How often does Real Bonding Take Place. What A Joke.

If that is your genuine background then I feel much sympathy for you. Perhaps you should post that in the PTSD thread.

There's a PTSD thread?

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young babies should be with their natural mother for the bonding process

I know My Mother, when I was a baby, toddler, child, pre-teen, and teen was In The Same House/Apt./Duplex, but, There Was No Bonding. I Felt Nothing towards Her. Near her Death and Afterwards I Hated/Hate Her.

Oh Yeah, same with Dad. Worthless Parents for Love and Support. And Food. I was Malnourished all my Young life. Not from being Poor, from Parents who liked Their Life more than their Kids.

Really, How often does Real Bonding Take Place. What A Joke.

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I'm really sorry to hear this. Was your mother involved in drugs, alcohol or perhaps she had post natal depression?

Like I said, adoption should be a last resort, but in some cases it is genuinely best for the child.

Real bonding takes place a lot of the time but there are times when it doesn't happen. Often when the mother wasn't ready to be a mother or when there are other problems going on.

When real bonding does occur I can assure you that the love a mother has for her children transcends everything. There is nothing like that first realisation that there is someone in the world you you would die for without a second thought.

Again, I am really sorry to hear of your tragic past. I hope you found another adult in your life that taught you compassion and empathy. It doesn't always have to be the birth parents.

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I know My Mother, when I was a baby, toddler, child, pre-teen, and teen was In The Same House/Apt./Duplex, but, There Was No Bonding. I Felt Nothing towards Her. Near her Death and Afterwards I Hated/Hate Her.

Oh Yeah, same with Dad. Worthless Parents for Love and Support. And Food. I was Malnourished all my Young life. Not from being Poor, from Parents who liked Their Life more than their Kids.

Really, How often does Real Bonding Take Place. What A Joke.

If that is your genuine background then I feel much sympathy for you. Perhaps you should post that in the PTSD thread.

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I'm just starting to write a new bible. One which states up front that all power and glory is contained within the Graphics Processor Unit. For without it, we would not have everything we have today.

Praise be to the GPU!

There's a religion that most people on seti could get behind.

Yep, the GPU can be God, the CPU can be Jesus and Satan can be the dust bunny :)

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I'm just starting to write a new bible. One which states up front that all power and glory is contained within the Graphics Processor Unit. For without it, we would not have everything we have today.

Praise be to the GPU!

There's a religion that most people on seti could get behind.

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Have you visited the Bible belt, religion down there in some of the towns and cities, is not a fringe activity, it is a way of life you must follow, or get out of town.

Of course people there are religious. But just because they are religious doesn't mean they go out of their way to ban abortion and contraception. Plenty of them are moderately religious, or at least respect that while they would never want an abortion, other people might think differently about that.

Even so, voter turnout rates on state legislators is generally pretty low but disproportionately high among extremist Christians, meaning they have a much greater say in what kind of person gets elected into the state legislative body. Point is, those extremists are just pretty well organized politically, while the people that oppose them are not. They don't vote so they get people that think its acceptable to jam ultrasound rods up a womans private parts before she can have an abortion.

You have no idea, don't go out of your way to meet the Tennessee Baptist Convention.

Have you visited the Bible belt, religion down there in some of the towns and cities, is not a fringe activity, it is a way of life you must follow, or get out of town.

Of course people there are religious. But just because they are religious doesn't mean they go out of their way to ban abortion and contraception. Plenty of them are moderately religious, or at least respect that while they would never want an abortion, other people might think differently about that.

Even so, voter turnout rates on state legislators is generally pretty low but disproportionately high among extremist Christians, meaning they have a much greater say in what kind of person gets elected into the state legislative body. Point is, those extremists are just pretty well organized politically, while the people that oppose them are not. They don't vote so they get people that think its acceptable to jam ultrasound rods up a womans private parts before she can have an abortion.

The KKK is still going ....

Have you visited the Bible belt, religion down there in some of the towns and cities, is not a fringe activity, it is a way of life you must follow, or get out of town.

Perhaps I've spent too much time on facebook seeing articles about the struggle women are facing in some states in America due to rise of the religious right there. It has certainly made me feel that religion has no place in a civilised society.

Yeah but the religious right is a fringe movement. The fact that they have so much power in the US is not because they have so much popular support, its because those extremists on the fringe are the only ones who bother to get out and vote. Look, democracy is not gonna work when the moderate majority can't be arsed to go to the voting booth and cast their votes.

And you also should not take a fringe movement and use it as what 'the average religious person' is like.

Well it seems I didn't know as much about the symptoms of human reproduction as I thought I did!

Yet you probably know more than a lot of the male legislators in America who are making decisions about women's health based on religious reasons and not health reasons.

One of the many things that make me very angry about certain religions.

But it has been discussed sensibly here. Personally I'm glad that apparently she is not being forced to give up the baby for adoption, young babies should be with their natural mother for the bonding process. It isn't clear yet whether she is staying a nun in the convent though. I can't see how she could having broken the the vows she would have taken, whether unintentionally or not.

There is some research being done on the damage that adoption does to both mother and child. Some children never get over being 'rejected' by their mother. Adoption should be a last option where all else has failed.

One of the many things that make me very angry about certain religions that are against contraception and abortion while they pressure women to raise children they didn't want and can't afford or face the trauma of giving that child up for adoption. I find it horrific.

Perhaps I've spent too much time on facebook seeing articles about the struggle women are facing in some states in America due to rise of the religious right there. It has certainly made me feel that religion has no place in a civilised society.

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Well it seems I didn't know as much about the symptoms of human reproduction as I thought I did! But it has been discussed sensibly here. Personally I'm glad that apparently she is not being forced to give up the baby for adoption, young babies should be with their natural mother for the bonding process. It isn't clear yet whether she is staying a nun in the convent though. I can't see how she could having broken the the vows she would have taken, whether unintentionally or not.

When I was more closely involved in youth work than I am my team worked with had at least three girls who did not understand the signs of pregnancy, and these were not girls in the "lacking the intelligence" to understand, they just didn't understand what was going on in their own bodies. Indeed one of them showed very few signs of being pregnant, her body shape barely changed over the nine months, and she had virtually no (if any) morning sickness, and that was probably masked to a certain extent by a D&V bug that was doing the rounds.

How do you recognize that you have a certain illness? You recognize it because you show a specific set of symptoms that are associated with said illness. It doesn't matter if you understand how the illness works, if you show no symptoms you don't just assume that you are sick. The same is true for a pregnancy. If you don't have the obvious symptoms, you are not gonna assume you are pregnant right? And to complicate matters, some of those symptoms are rather common and could be caused by a lot of things. Stomach cramps? Could just as easily be food that didn't go down that well. Or a little stomach flu. And especially if that happens months after you had sex, its not exactly surprising if you don't connect the dots. Even if you had proper sex ed.

Add to the numbers of youngsters who's parents opt them out the number who opt out by not listening "because its cool not to listen" or bunk-off because "they know it all" and it gets even scarier...

They generally really like sex ed. Its one of the easier science topics to teach because of that. However, some girls are uncomfortable learning in the same class as boys and are more reluctant to ask questions.

Also some teacher's can be uncomfortable with the topic and that makes it difficult. I've always been of the attitude that if they're old enough to ask, then they're old enough to get an answer, but it can be hard not to get embarrassed at some of the questions asked.

..and the terrifying misconceptions they come with and the fact that some of them as young as 12 are obviously already sexually active.

Denial and cover up is the worst thing that society can do when it comes to preventing teenage pregnancies.

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Reality Internet Personality

When I was more closely involved in youth work than I am my team worked with had at least three girls who did not understand the signs of pregnancy, and these were not girls in the "lacking the intelligence" to understand, they just didn't understand what was going on in their own bodies. Indeed one of them showed very few signs of being pregnant, her body shape barely changed over the nine months, and she had virtually no (if any) morning sickness, and that was probably masked to a certain extent by a D&V bug that was doing the rounds.

I've also known "mature women" who have been pregnant for over six months before they showed any change in body shape, and I'm not talking about "large" ladies - how a woman's body shape changes during pregnancy appears to be very random.

So do not assume the "big belly when pregnant" urban myth, its one that has caused more problems than nearly all the other myths put together.

Exactly, as I've already said, some women carry the baby differently.

You couldn't tell I was pregnant from the back and I didn't look pregnant at all until I was 7 months gone. After that it looked like someone had stuffed a football (soccer ball) under my dress. It totally depends on how the fetus sits in the pelvis area.

Some women don't get sick at all, some like myself vomit for the whole nine months, day and night. There is no such thing as a 'typical' pregnancy.

..and even though I had terrible morning sickness with both my children I didn't initially realise I was pregnant with the second because I thought I just didn't want to go to work in the morning and that was making me feel ill!

The babies movements feel a lot like gas bubbles and some babies move more than others.

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Add to the numbers of youngsters who's parents opt them out the number who opt out by not listening "because its cool not to listen" or bunk-off because "they know it all" and it gets even scarier...

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Bob Smith
Member of Seti PIPPS (Pluto is a Planet Protest Society)
Somewhere in the (un)known Universe?