A heaven full of stars.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/bad_astronomy/2015/01/07/andromeda_hubble_mosaic_of_the_spiral_galaxy.html

Not the first picture there but the one below. You need to scroll down a little. Some three pages down or so with my current monitor resolution.

If you bother paying a visit to that web-page you will be able to see it for yourself. The fine print should be listed at the bottom.

Definitely we already knew this fact. But at least now it became confirmed.

But are you able to detect any signs of intelligent life by looking at such a picture? The answer is probably no.

Apparently the Andromeda galaxy is having some 500 globular clusters. The Milky Way in comparison is having some 150 such clusters.

The largest known globular cluster in the Milky Way, Omega Centauri, is probably having a million individual stars. The red giant stars in such globular clusters are some 10 billion years old, which is twice the age of our own sun.

Should we perhaps be listening for an intelligent signal coming from such a cluster? Are there any chances of perhaps detecting an intelligent signal coming from such a place? If an area comparable to the diameter of the moon is having a 100,000 stars or more, there may well be a chance that a highly evolved civilization may be present on one or more of the stars there.

Regardless of whether or not anything may be present at all, what we may be able to detect is only UFO's and the like, of course. At present, this is the closest we may be able to get when it comes to our notion of possible extraterrestrial life.

Should perhaps tell you that I am keeping a tab on the weather.

Apparently a jet stream in the Atlantic is bringing with it two low pressure systems which are still developing.

This time it may be difficult to predict the specific outcome, even when using a supercomputer for this purpose, but according to the forecasters, there is the possibility of hurricane force winds along the coast which may also hit farther inland.

Also there is a chance of big waves coming ashore, but apparently the big surge of water is not being expected this time, fortunately.

With this constantly change with big amounts of precipitation and both rice and decline in temperature, we apparently now are experiencing the result of climate change as a result of fuel consumption and pollution. Our consumption of energy for the sake of heating our homes as well as being able to drive around is kicking the energy levels of the atmosphere to levels far beyond normal values. Even the heat of the sun is not the main factor here.

And in the end I would not become surprised if the big heat once again leads to the big chill. It has happened several times before in recorded history.

You are welcome, Chris.

Anyway,

http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=75026

At least this thread ended up in Politics.

I have the messages sorted on Newest first and started once again with the first post and ending up at page 6 before saying enough for now to myself.

Why are we having this thread here and what is its purpose or meaning?

Please have me corrected, but at least here is my way of looking at things.

Our assumption of the universe is that it came to life by means of the Big Bang. With the Big Bang our notion of the size of things and the speed at how things progressed are two of the main factors.

Speed and time are supposed to be related to each other. If something is happening at great speed, it is not supposed to be going slow. Time is supposed to be a constant, but in some cases time flies, while at other instances time seems to be coming to a standstill and everything looks boring.

The universe is supposed to have been born from nothing. To some people this means either a singularity or perhaps an atom. Such an atom, or the elementary particles constituting it means microcosmos and the mathematical laws and equations which are related to that part of our world.

To cosmologists, macrocosmos makes up more when it comes to both understanding as well as comprehension.

Galaxies and galaxy clusters are found throughout space. Despite there being huge, apparently empty voids in space, galaxies are assumed to be free on their own at times and what may be regarded as being clusters or even super-clusters of galaxies only may be a part of the whole picture.

Galaxies and clusters of galaxies are a result of matter being present in space. Because gravity is pulling matter together, such mass is assumed to be having weight, with energy being present only as an additional factor, namely by means of radiation. Radiation can be measured or related against the amount of heat that is being produced. The absolute zero when it comes to temperature is -273.15 Celsius.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absolute_zero

In comparison, the temperature in the central core of our sun is about 15-20 million degrees Celsius. In giant and supergiant stars, possibly blowing themselves as supernovae, the temperature may be measured by means of billions rather than millions of degrees.

Understanding star evolution and the creation of galaxies and galaxy clusters probably is only one part of the big picture. Apparently there still remains unanswered questions for which a given approach is needed in order to be able to obtain a satisfactorily explanation.

Having religious faith is supposed to make you believe. Being able to prove a certain or specific thing by means of a scientific approach to a given subject makes you able to "assert" one or more specific thing, leaving one less thing still not understood or comprehended and one more part of the big puzzle being put into its proper place.

This web-page is also supposed to be about the possibility of whether or not we are alone in space. To some people the subject of UFO's and observations of such objects is an indication of the presence of other beings in space.

Other people, including astronomers are hoping and waiting in order for an intelligent signal being detected coming from another star or planet in the Milky Way galaxy. An intelligent signal should be synonymous with intelligent life and at least when it comes to us, such intelligence is related to the brain, which assumedly relates our abilty to think an electrical or neurological one and not based on biological or organic processes related to DNA or the atoms or molecules being part of this chemical compound or substance.

Also a happy 70'th birthday to Chris S as well.

Thank you, appreciated.

http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=76457

@ SciManStev and others.

If you happen to be an agnostic or an atheist, it only reflects your opinion and attitude when it comes to the purpose or sake of belief vs. not belief.

Being able to state your possible way of belief, or more likely lack of such a belief does not explicitly make you a better scientist, although you supposedly or most likely are quite good at exactly that.

Hope you catch my point here. It is not my intention of of being unfriendly or rude against you or other people around here who is lacking faith.

I do believe that there is a reason to believe, by means of being able to see both splendor and malice side by side.

Good and bad intentions are for everyone to see and observe. War, love, sadness and despair should not be confused with our ability and willingness to try understanding those things that still defy a satisfactorily explanation, at least when it comes to specific or certain scientific phenomena.

Being a scientist you are supposed to explore and understand the unknown and possibly being able to explain what you are able to see. To some people certain things are better approached and comprehended by means of a theological aspect or way of thinking. To other people a given approach to the same or given subject may be better carried out by means of an objective matter which is not related to (religious) belief and faith at all.

Whether or not it is all about belief vs. not belief, it supposedly is still meant to be all about science. Whether or not Jesus was living on earth at all and was crucified in order to carry or bring an intentional meaning with it and whether or not we have been visited by extraterrestrials in the past, it ends up becoming a question of whether or not science rather than religion is the best way of approach of trying to explain certain things that for now has yet to be fully explained and understood.

Edit:

Which makes me ask the question whether we know what theology is all about. At least we should know what science is all about.

Oh, did I perhaps leave you?

Apparently that is what Jesus thought of his father, God, when he was crucified and left to die.

Anyway, pillars of creation. Space based that is.

Are we perhaps speaking about God's creation here, or are we not supposed to think or believe in it this way?

M16, or part of this reflecting or shining nebula which is part of the Milky Way, also is sometimes being called the "Star Queen" nebula.

Despite it being a colorful object, it is not my biggest favorite when it comes to celestial objects in the sky.

The interesting fact is that stars apparently are being born this way, by means of coming out of "cocoons" of dark clouds of matter (not the elusive dark matter which is something different), but rather clouds of dust and gas, some of which is not being illuminated because it is still being present in space and the temperature is not high enough.

Stars are being born as the result of matter falling together as the result of gravity and contraction.

The moment the pressure becomes high enough at a given or specific point, the fusion process starts up or ignites and a star is born.

As far as we know an individual star is not supposed or capable of supporting any life, including possible intelligent such life and the processes that may come along or being included with it.

Possibly we may be asking ourselves what is the definition of life as we assume it to be and whether or not it is having a purpose.

We assume that life may be found where a planet is found orbiting a star which may be suitable for the creation of such life.

Meaning that it must not be too large both when it comes to mass and size or too small as well. Being to large, its radiation together with heat will damage or destroy any forms of life despite a planet having both an atmosphere as well as liquid oceans.

Today astronomers searching for planets around other stars (exoplanets) think they have found such a promising candidate.

However there is no proof that life may be existing at such a place.

To some people, life is synonymous with the divine, or at least should be put into the context of religion and belief.

Other people rather think of this process as being based on the principles of evolution, more or less random and not by means of a given or specific purpose being behind.

There should be a well known fact that most times what we are able to see and observe is the result of several or many factors or processes which interact mutually with each other. Because the electrons of the atoms are supposed to be orbiting their nucleus at both speed and unpredictability when it comes to actual measurements, the possible delicacy of the individual processes or factors may be hard to get at and being able to observe and measure.

When I say things at times, I may also mean something else, like phenomenon or phenomena. I hopefully do not have to make it that specific when it comes to the wording all the time. Assumedly you show know what I am trying to say.

We typically do not associate those things that may appear uneven and asymmetric with delicacy which at times may be found as well. Both types of elements may supposedly be found or existing together side by side, but most of the time you only are able to see one or more elements able to observe only one component and not both at the same time.

Some things are better explained in a simple way. Other things are better explained by means of giving a more comprehensive explanation when it comes to the same.

We are making certain things that for now is lacking a possible explanation occult and enigmatic.

Scientists are trying to make the unexplained into the explained by means of giving an objective explanation based on careful scientific analysis and scrutiny of objects that are being observed. In many instances, no given or definite answers are being made despite such observations being made.

By doing science this way, you always are digging into the the details of the inner-workings of given or specific things.

At times the whole picture becomes somewhat lost or forgotten and the supposedly "painting" which you may be able to deduce by observing both the Milky Way and those objects which may perhaps be beyond as well becomes subject to laugh and disregard instead.

If you are supposed to be loving what you at times may be able to see, you are supposed to be a believer of the divine.

The result from doing such a thing again leads back to whether or not you are supposed to "believe" in what you are seeing.

Some people unfortunately end up short of being believers, though.

I happened to come across this area of the sky this afternoon.

Celestial coordinates 16h48m, +34D35'.

Trying to locate the circle for the Degrees, but probably I will need to use Charmap.exe for this purpose. If doing so, it very easily becomes graphics of it and not pure text.

Try both zooming in and pan out as well. A good color monitor in a dark room is an advantage when doing so.

In this area you may be able to see quite a bit of contrast when it comes to the colors of the background.

What you may be able to see here is not the Milky Way itself, in my opinion.

And if your monitor is a good one, you may be able to see the same as me, namely the faint specks of light that may be found in some places, but not too much at other places which are much more fainter than the usual galaxies, including the elliptical ones. Brown and orange color is being mixed with cold blue in places, creating a delicious taint.

Being able to see such a thing makes me start asking questions.

We are still small in the big picture, but at least we are able to think and observe things as they are happening. Galaxies and galaxy clusters are being created everywhere in the visible universe as a result of the Big Bang.
Matter is present everywhere by means of dust and gas which may be visible at times but not always.

Creation and destruction assumedly is living side by side with each other. The creation of one object may lead to the destiny of another and vice versa.

The force of gravity is contracting or accumulating the present dust and gas in space into objects which becomes visible because of the fusion process in the central cores of stars which is creating energy as a result.

From the faint HIP 85605 in our Milky Way which supposedly is on a collision course with our solar system to the giant elliptical galaxies of remote galaxy clusters, the latter may be containing entities of their own which to us may seem like strangers. We are not always able to explain these objects in full detail, but we still assume their presence by means of our current knowledge about them.

It is important to make a distinction between the beauty and the beast. At some times what may be something beautiful to observe may turn out to be a rather sinister thing instead. If we happened to be living close to a big black hole in space, our response would likely be fear and possibly dispair.

Fortunately such a thing is not happening. Rather we end up being lucky enough to watch the whole show from a distance and in this way being able to determine exactly what is happening at these other places in space.

Oh, add a missing "s" to the previous posting.

You are not supposed to be speechless when making a proposal at someone.

Recovering after consuming a national dinner speciality having the name of "Pinnekjott", which was not totally as expected when it comes to its taste.

I have chosen to skip this dinner variant or exclusive previously for better choices, I think.

With potato chips now on my hands, I will not be looking in my dictionary right now for a better translation.

This time it eventually became time for it, and at least I got a full stomach this evening.

The dinner is three potatoes enclosed. I added one more from another package.

Meat from sheep or possibly larger siblings. A mixture of meat, bone, fat pieces of meat, but not too much sausage. Also salt, pepper and some flat bread was also added as well.

Guess I became thirsty after the dinner.

One of the bones bent my tooth slightly, but apparently getting back to normal again right now.

Adding a red hot dog of the thick variant to this garbage of food.

The both strange and sad thing is that I am currently suffering a twisted left arm. With my computer room being filled up, the dinner added to an already complete mess. Instead of having a break, I am sitting it out and apparently a couple of beers as well as some potato chips is now slowly starting making me happy.

I am listening to some space music right now, but the finale is apparently coming up later, which really does not mean anything, since it is now 04:45 in the morning.

The yellow mix in the dinner is the acid variant of potatoes. Getting back to explaining the rest of it tomorrow.

Oh, apparently another long one in the Science Board.

"I agree with many comments here..."

Bob DeWoody is just as good at it most of the time, even though he makes it short most of the time.

This becomes yet another example of an approach to a given subject.

You know, the more dedicated you become towards a subject, the more bias and resistance you are expected to meet in return from other people doing the same thing.

Therefore I do not bother sticking to the point anymore, because I know it is of no use.

Numbers are numbers and numbers are not necessarily an indication of communication, more they may be an indicator of possible intelligence being present.

You are supposed to be looking for an intelligent signal by means of the processing of numbers.

To me, numbers are come and go over time. You may not have seen the quite big gaussian score with a fit/chi-square about 1/10 of that score I got on my video tape here, but I kept it for the record and it lies somewhere here.

Guess you do not believe in me when I am saying or telling you such a thing.

Perhaps I should not have told you either. But at least we are not supposed to be doing this for nothing, even though we do not yet have any certain indications for its proof.

Please make up your own mind when it comes to this and have a look at the objects being found in the celestial sky.

It becomes a little bit of bad wording here at times.

The reason for this is that I am doing quite a bit of factorization of numbers while I am doing Seti@home and PrimeGrid as well.

Having such a powerful computer at my disposal, I really should be doing something more meaningful instead, like playback or recording of music, or perhaps video recording and playback for the sake of entertainment.

But more and more often I am getting to the conclusion that the BOINC Manager as an application is having its flaws.

First of all, the Yafu factorization software is not perfect either. It does a poor job of factoring those numbers that are composite and related to the so-called Fermat numbers or factors. And because it is a DOS-based application only, it tends to steal all the resources available, giving Windows-based applications like BOINC Manager no chance at all.

When I am sitting at the computer, I want something to do. Just baby-sitting is a boring thing and for some of the long PrimeGrid tasks it becomes that, but eventually for a good purpose.

The word that became lost to me a little earlier on is "tweaking".

In order to be able to get good functionality of a computer, certain applications needs exactly that. Remember I have close to 6 million in total credit here, so it makes me able to keep a tab of the tasks that have been run previously.

Seti@home tasks is not only about numbers, but also a specific analysis of the same numbers as they are being obtained. With only two Yafu tasks running, of which one is doing the less demanding ecm only, I am again able to notice that the Manager is not running its tasks and lies there suspended when it comes to all the tasks which are running.

With certain deadlines being in effect and very short deadlines when it comes to PrimeGrid compared to this project (there are other difficulties, of course), these two projects are still given a resource share of 50/50.

The 3970X has a total of 6 priorities when it comes to the processes (not necessarily an application itself). The tasks running within the Manager is set to run on low priority. Remember I started "fiddling" with the setting of the priorities for a given task quite some time ago, something which of course made the running environment crash out and needing a reboot of the computer.

I really do not want to make a repeat of this episode. A lesson being learnt there. But at times it is still necessary to do such manual tweaking, because it is not about overclocking, a feature which I have yet to be trying out.

My experience is that the Manager is slow because it runs at low priority. With Low Priority means here the priority as set by the Manager and not the 6 priorities mentioned above as defined by the operating system itself.

Or am I perhaps wrong when it comes to this assumption? Please have me corrected if you wish to do so.

It only goes into High Priority mode for a given task when the Manager notices that the deadline is approaching sooner than the estimated time to completion is at a given moment. Low priority for a Seti@home tasks means exactly the same as Low priority for a PrimeGrid task, of course. There is no difference here.

So therefore we are again back to the question of possible fiddling and tweaking and again you should know that this thing is not supposed to be working.

Again this became bad wording once again. Rather it should now be the time of Christmas celebrations, but as already mentioned, I prefer to be doing something rather than nothing.

I just have tried out this.

The Wikipedia article for Alpha Centauri,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpha_Centauri

has a link to a picture a little down that page and to the right.

"View of Alpha Centauri from the Digitized Sky Survey".

The interesting thing here is that when clicking on the picture, you might expect it to come up quite soon.

But this does not happen right here.

When clicked on or selected, the picture has a magnifying feature with a zooming glass initially showing "+" but should rather be "-" when zoomed in.

Only one zoom option in addition to the original picture is available, but here the zoom-in factor is a deep one and it therefore took quite a while to download.

Perhaps this download time could have been added as a note to the picture. You better should try out this for yourself.

Anyway, looking at the picture with the zoomed-in option selected gives quite an impressive view of the field surrounding our closest pair of neighbors in space. This system is not only Proxima Centauri, but the main star of the double pair really is a twin of our sun.

The other companion is a smaller, somewhat smaller and cooler K1V spectral class star.

You certainly know that time flies.

If you had the time and money to buy a Christmas tree, you probably have opened the packages that were for you from family and friends.

Despite there being Christmas, the cold spell together with the wintry snow apparently somewhat vanished for a spell of slightly milder weather once again and the snow that was on my balcony now has ended up in a lump of ice and watery snow in the middle.

When it comes to the running of a given task, you are supposed to finish up such a task within a given deadline.

Also, you may have the countdown to zero, which may be the launch of a space shuttle, or the detonation of a device.

Time is divided into units, of which the 24 hours of the day is the smallest part when not considering months, weeks, or even years.

An hour of the day is having 60 minutes. Each minute is divided into 60 seconds. A second is again divided into 10, 100, 1000, and so on. A specific watch used for the purpose of measuring the time frame between each runner in a competition gives a measure of distance against time.

This should be a good example of comparison. Space and time is not supposed to be the one same thing, but if being two-part, these two elements are directly related to each other.

Some people think they are actually missing time because of events thought to be happening. Such events, when they happen are being called time lapse phenomena. Some people think they are able to recall lost moments of time when exposed to hypnotic regression or suppression.

Traumatic experiences like accidents or acts of terrorism or war may also lead to events of time being missed, because certain events becomes lost out of your mind and you may find it impossible to remember an exact event as it took place.

Time only can be measured against something else. You may not be able to compare time with itself. Also, time is one-directional only. It is not supposed to be going backwards, only forwards and not in circles, repeating itself several or many times.

When in your sleep, a dream is often being replaced or substituted by another. In between there may be a time frame where such a dream is not taking place. You are not supposed to be having two different dreams at the same time.

When two different events are taking place at the same time, such events may overlap each other within a given time frame.

The smallest definition for a measure between two different objects in both space and time is the Planck constant. If used against distance or relative location or placement, you are defining the relative position of an object in three-dimensional space.

If used against time, you are measuring the possible difference of the same object with possible different events happening at separate or relative locations in space, assumedly at different times as well.

Which of course contradicts the line above which is stating that

"Time only can be measured against something else. You may not be able to compare time with itself."

Why are we observing such a discrepancy?

Time in fact is supposed to be the fourth dimension, but in real life we are not able to observe it directly, only assume that it is being there.

In a distant future the Milky Way and the Andromeda galaxy are going to collide head on in space.

We are seeing examples of this already when observing galaxies in space, but this future collision is going to be one of the most spectacular of them all.

The reason for this is not relative attraction by means of gravity which of course is there, but rather relative motion in space which for some reason is bringing the two objects towards a collision with each other.

We will not be able to experience this event when it happens, because it will be a show happening in the distant future.

With the snow and cold weather again coming, one event becoming part of our knowledge is once again being replaced by another event taking place now or in the future, once again altering the course of history.

Assumedly neither the past nor the future has been pre-written in advance by nature. Things are supposed to be happening "as is" when they are doing so.

We are not supposed to be living in a dream when we are awake. Our world is a real one and not an imaginary one. We are sometimes dreaming when we are sleeping, because we either want to find an answer to problems we may encounter in our daily lives. Also the brain may have a wish of entertaining itself by means of creating such a dream.

With these words I wish you a Merry Christmas.

Also a happy 70'th birthday to Chris S as well.

Why bother commenting at all, Julie?

You even made a quote of my nonsense stuff.

Totally a waste of space.

Hooray!

LOL:))

Then why do you write this 'nonsense' mp? I'm afraid I'm not following you...

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On the street?

Yes, I know that Alpha Centauri A is spectral type G2 V.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpha_Centauri

Makes me laugh.

Only read Zapped's comment after I posted.

Why bother commenting at all, Julie?

You even made a quote of my nonsense stuff.

Totally a waste of space.

Hooray!

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The same goes with Windows Ultimate, I guess.

Right now I am unable to communicate with that one having four set of teeth to give me a smile.

Which is kind of twisted up, you know.

Oh, it does not go by any name since neither you nor me happen to know.

At least she gave me a smile with her shining teeth.

Do you have crosswalks in your city streets.

I do not wish ending up dead in such a crosswalk.

Apparently it happens at times when it comes to some of your citizens.

Shame on you when this happens.

Such a thing should not happen at all.

Sending a signal is not the same as transmitting one.

Here on earth information is everywhere. It is either stored on paper, on magnetic storage, or transmitted through the air as either local sound waves, or by means of a radio or television broadcast.

In the old days, when your local television station ceased broadcasting in the early hours of the morning, you were left with the gray noise on your screen which was indicating that no signal was being present on the channel.

A channel is a defined area within the radio frequency band. We make a logical separation between these bands in order to separate different contents from each other which may be broadcast simultaneously.

Whether or not a given radio frequency is being divided into logical bands or channels in order to possibly be able to detect someone being there and possibly transmitting, such a transmission eventually has to go through space and eventually be able to be detected by us.

To scientists, the most evident possibility of being able to detect such a signal is to listen to the stars.

Some stars are supposed to be having planetary systems of their own, possibly being inhabited by intelligent life.

When astronomers are studying the heavens, they are observing the Milky Way as well as other galaxies.

Radio signals from other civilizations most likely can not be detected beyond some 1500 light years. This is the distance to the Orion nebula from our solar system. Wikipedia gives 1344 +/- 20 light years for this nebula.

An intelligent transmission needs to be coming from a civilization which has become evolved and able to transmit by electronic means.

Technology and intelligence is only being detected when communications is being used as a tool. In order to relieve ourselves from heavy duties like lifting and color painting of cars, robots are being used for a dedicated purpose, not necessary with a high level of intelligence in mind. In order to be able to do certain things, robots needs to be learnt how to do what they are supposed to be doing.

That way of teaching a robot its skills is being called programming and by means of programming a robot by means of a high level language, you are supposed to be giving it certain skills on its own.

Still we are making a difference between ourselves and a robot when it comes to skills because of both our ability to carry out physical duties as well as sometimes being able to reflect about our own position as a civilization belonging to an ordinary star being a member of the Milky Way.

Physical laws relate to objects being in motion and subject to the force of gravity as they are being observed.

As usual, energy is the corresponding entity for mass when it comes to objects in motion. Because objects are supposed to be having mass, both corresponding energy as well as gravity are being associated with such objects.

Right now we are not able to put forward similar laws when it comes to objects that are not related to the physical world, however. Rather we would like to relate such objects to the metaphysical world instead, which becomes a world more or less left to speculation, rather than proof, when it comes to our current knowledge.

Checking out by reading earlier contents, it is definitely a relationship between our current knowledge and the way we have evolved over times.

Regardless of who we are, more or less the question about being specialized when it comes to one or more given subjects, by means of both training as well as talent is a question that comes back more and more often.

Being a citizen of the earth, you are supposed to be filling a specific role and when specific talent warrants it, you rather become a citizen of space instead, having all the knowledge necessary in order to make you a space as well as possibly time traveler.

Why bother commenting at all, Julie?

You even made a quote of my nonsense stuff.

Totally a waste of space.