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Message 1458102 - Posted: 28 Dec 2013, 3:59:19 UTC - in response to Message 1458088.  

Thanks for the info, TBar...with the Q6600/HD6870 I played safe, knowing what would work and not going around in circles with the AMD/ATI site and the S@H boards! I'm not expecting any earth-shattering result with the 6870s first GPU WU, more that it works OK. When I'm happy about it working OK in Vista 64, I'll look at later drivers/SDKs. There also appears to be more room for 'wiggle' than I'd thought. Thanks, once again.

However, back on topic, the fact remains, that my main PC, is being run for much longer periods of time, than it used to be, for less 'credit'. Some will say that it is the science that is the most important part of the project, not the credits. Others will say that the 'credits' reflect the work they've done with their PCs for the project. I'm in a bit of a 'funny place' on these aspects (as are many others, I suspect) in that I am running my main PC for longer, incurring higher operating costs for 'less reward' - believe me, the subsequent additional use of electricity is very noticeable! I'm very much 'with' Grant, on this; his experience of CreditNew mirrors my own.

I wonder what has happened to the total RAC of S@H since V7. If it has gone down hugely, is it because of the low credit scoring, possibly with people not running S@H as much, or even leaving? If it has gone up, is that due to more GPUs being 'thrown' at the problem? Questions. Yes.
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Message 1458104 - Posted: 28 Dec 2013, 4:04:40 UTC - in response to Message 1458101.  

Yes, I'm very familiar with the XP limitations. Actually, unless the Game calls for 12.3, there is very little difference between 12.1 & 12.3. I just picked up a 6870 a couple weeks ago and tested it in my XP host with 12.1. It worked great with 12.1 in XP. Now it's flying high in my other Host preparing to battle for the Highest ranked AMD card in SETI crown. It's scraping paint with a pair of Tahitis at the moment...

In Vista, you can install the latest AMD driver, 13.9, and that card should scream. In fact, it would scream in XP with 12.1 just as loud. There are APs available at the moment, that card will complete one in right at 2000 seconds. All the faster Tasks have cleared, but, here's one running the 6870 in XP with Cat 12.1, Task 3278325071


Lets not forget that it is the top ranked OSX system on SETI.

Yes, yes it is. But, there isn't any competition there. On the other hand, it appears I'm running into some bumpy APs with a lot of blanking. Passing this remaining Cayman may take a while ;-)
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Message 1458109 - Posted: 28 Dec 2013, 4:40:33 UTC - in response to Message 1458102.  

Thanks for the info, TBar...with the Q6600/HD6870 I played safe, knowing what would work and not going around in circles with the AMD/ATI site and the S@H boards! I'm not expecting any earth-shattering result with the 6870s first GPU WU, more that it works OK. When I'm happy about it working OK in Vista 64, I'll look at later drivers/SDKs. There also appears to be more room for 'wiggle' than I'd thought. Thanks, once again.

However, back on topic, the fact remains, that my main PC, is being run for much longer periods of time, than it used to be, for less 'credit'. Some will say that it is the science that is the most important part of the project, not the credits. Others will say that the 'credits' reflect the work they've done with their PCs for the project. I'm in a bit of a 'funny place' on these aspects (as are many others, I suspect) in that I am running my main PC for longer, incurring higher operating costs for 'less reward' - believe me, the subsequent additional use of electricity is very noticeable! I'm very much 'with' Grant, on this; his experience of CreditNew mirrors my own.

I wonder what has happened to the total RAC of S@H since V7. If it has gone down hugely, is it because of the low credit scoring, possibly with people not running S@H as much, or even leaving? If it has gone up, is that due to more GPUs being 'thrown' at the problem? Questions. Yes.

Well, the MB7 tasks demand more work from the PC, so, it's going to take a little longer to complete. It's not like you are completing the same work for more cost. Your PC is completing more work per task with MB7. Since you have an ATI card, if I were you, I wouldn't bother with MB tasks until there is a better MB7 App for ATI cards. Eric posted statistics for the different Apps in one of these threads. The Stats showed the ATI MB7 App at around 0.02 points per set time verses 0.08 points for the ATI AP App. Or maybe it was 0.2 verses 0.8? Anyway, the ATI AP App created about 4x the credits as the ATI MB App for the same amount of time. Since there hasn't been much of a change in the AP credit, you should run APs on your ATI card...for now. Hopefully, someone will code a better MB App for the ATI cards soon. Until then, feed your 6870 straight APs, it will make you happier.
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Message 1458136 - Posted: 28 Dec 2013, 8:04:54 UTC - in response to Message 1458102.  

Thanks for the info, TBar...with the Q6600/HD6870 I played safe, knowing what would work and not going around in circles with the AMD/ATI site and the S@H boards! I'm not expecting any earth-shattering result with the 6870s first GPU WU, more that it works OK. When I'm happy about it working OK in Vista 64, I'll look at later drivers/SDKs. There also appears to be more room for 'wiggle' than I'd thought. Thanks, once again.

However, back on topic, the fact remains, that my main PC, is being run for much longer periods of time, than it used to be, for less 'credit'. Some will say that it is the science that is the most important part of the project, not the credits. Others will say that the 'credits' reflect the work they've done with their PCs for the project. I'm in a bit of a 'funny place' on these aspects (as are many others, I suspect) in that I am running my main PC for longer, incurring higher operating costs for 'less reward' - believe me, the subsequent additional use of electricity is very noticeable! I'm very much 'with' Grant, on this; his experience of CreditNew mirrors my own.

I wonder what has happened to the total RAC of S@H since V7. If it has gone down hugely, is it because of the low credit scoring, possibly with people not running S@H as much, or even leaving? If it has gone up, is that due to more GPUs being 'thrown' at the problem? Questions. Yes.

Nice question. I think it has gone up because folks are throwing GPU's at the problem. I know I am going to.

You can see the wild swings that each rig takes when we dont have any AP to run. My best machine goes from 16k to allmost 20K when AP is availible. I still dont know what my rigs can do at peak crunching. And I can understand why people are complaining. If the payout was equal to what ever was being run we should not be seeing theese big swings in rac when AP is not being sent out.

I will run what I get and not abort any work, Unlike some folks that do just to get AP's.

Meanwhile I see a few more GPU's in my machines.
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Message 1471830 - Posted: 2 Feb 2014, 3:18:43 UTC - in response to Message 1458136.  
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End of December & then the beginning of January we had those system problems, so there was no work available for a while there, hence the plummeting RAC.
Since then it has been steadily climbing back up to the new (low) level it had been sitting on.
While I was away on holidays my systems went down for a couple of days, so there was an additional drop there. But ever since being back up for over a week and a half now my RAC continues to fall like a stone.

I've got the maximum possible 200 in progress, Validation pending on 345 (300-400 seems to be the usual amount). There's been 1 invalid, no errors, and still my RAC keeps falling.

At this rate, before the end of the year, no Credit will be allocated for MB work done.
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Message 1481895 - Posted: 26 Feb 2014, 13:53:03 UTC
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I don´t want to add more gasoline to the flame but, I´s only at my side or creditscrew, screw a little more? I noticied on the last days another drop on the credit gived for the MB work, few months ago the credit per WU was in the range of 60-100, now i see a lot of 40´s or 50´s and very rare 90´s or 100´s.
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Message 1481899 - Posted: 26 Feb 2014, 14:04:48 UTC - in response to Message 1481895.  

I don´t want to add more gasoline to the flame but, I´s only at my side or creditscrew, screw a little more? I noticied on the last days another drop on the credit gived for the MB work, few months ago the credit per WU was in the range of 60-100, now i see a lot of 40´s or 50´s and very rare 90´s or 100´s.

Are you sure that's not just because there have been so many shorties (VHAR) recently? I did a work fetch this morning, and got 62 shorties in one batch...

Look at deadlines before you report: anything with a deadline in mid-March (18 March, for today's downloads) would be expected to earn 40-odd credits. For tasks already reported, look at the run time: that depends on your hardware, of course, so you'll have to compare it with known times for the longer tasks.
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Message 1481904 - Posted: 26 Feb 2014, 14:16:29 UTC - in response to Message 1481899.  

That´s exactly why i report, the crunching times still very similar (unless in the newer 780´s GPU´s) but the credit "paid" to the WUs are less. In the past shorties paids in the range of 40-50 but now they paid 30-40.
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Message 1481930 - Posted: 26 Feb 2014, 15:27:09 UTC

All the 24/7 crunchers are dropping in RAC but they are dropping equally. As long as one doesn't compare a SETI cobblestone to other projects' cobblestones it is all the same.
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Message 1481949 - Posted: 26 Feb 2014, 16:42:36 UTC - in response to Message 1481930.  

All the 24/7 crunchers are dropping in RAC but they are dropping equally. As long as one doesn't compare a SETI cobblestone to other projects' cobblestones it is all the same.

Why are they dropping?
You do the same "work" for years and years but you "get paid" less and less every month. Where's the reason?
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Message 1481997 - Posted: 26 Feb 2014, 18:09:22 UTC - in response to Message 1481949.  

The simple answer: the CreditNew Impact that´s what exacty this thread is about and AFAIK there is a good team working to fix that and we pray each day for their success.
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Message 1482076 - Posted: 26 Feb 2014, 20:09:44 UTC - in response to Message 1471830.  

At this rate, before the end of the year, no Credit will be allocated for MB work done.


Ah, the Eternal Optimist....
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Message 1482112 - Posted: 26 Feb 2014, 21:10:34 UTC

Don´t forget Murphy´s law...

"Nothing is so bad that it can not get worse"
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Message 1482122 - Posted: 26 Feb 2014, 22:32:21 UTC - in response to Message 1482112.  

Don´t forget Murphy´s law...

"Nothing is so bad that it can not get worse"

Murphy's law is more famously "Anything that can go wrong, will go wrong." & I would say it may be a good description of creditnew.
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Message 1482123 - Posted: 26 Feb 2014, 22:40:41 UTC - in response to Message 1482122.  

I think they call in english: corollary...
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Message 1482199 - Posted: 27 Feb 2014, 6:21:46 UTC - in response to Message 1481899.  

I don´t want to add more gasoline to the flame but, I´s only at my side or creditscrew, screw a little more? I noticied on the last days another drop on the credit gived for the MB work, few months ago the credit per WU was in the range of 60-100, now i see a lot of 40´s or 50´s and very rare 90´s or 100´s.

Are you sure that's not just because there have been so many shorties (VHAR) recently? I did a work fetch this morning, and got 62 shorties in one batch...

Look at deadlines before you report: anything with a deadline in mid-March (18 March, for today's downloads) would be expected to earn 40-odd credits. For tasks already reported, look at the run time: that depends on your hardware, of course, so you'll have to compare it with known times for the longer tasks.

Putting the recent hiccups aside, my RAC continues to fall.
After V7 came on line it eventually settled down around 18,500 (down from 31,000)
Lately it's been around 17,500 & has started to decline even further- now it's down to around 16,500. Hopefully after these last few outages have passed it will go up again, at least a bit.
But I suspect that's just wishfull thinking.
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Message 1482202 - Posted: 27 Feb 2014, 6:55:38 UTC

Im sure it will go down further. When an Astropulse pays 70 credits when you are matched up with a Open CL ATI you can count on it. Yeah I know there are a lot of varibales, But take a look at your pendings. Im seeing more and more of them.
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Message 1485923 - Posted: 7 Mar 2014, 21:28:14 UTC

Not that I'm complaining, but does anyone think this is a bit weird?

http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/workunit.php?wuid=1446543297

Seems like a lot of credit for a 100% blanked WU that ran in a couple seconds. Can I get more? :)
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Message 1486205 - Posted: 8 Mar 2014, 14:58:25 UTC - in response to Message 1485923.  

Not that I'm complaining, but does anyone think this is a bit weird?

http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/workunit.php?wuid=1446543297

Seems like a lot of credit for a 100% blanked WU that ran in a couple seconds. Can I get more? :)

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Message 1486208 - Posted: 8 Mar 2014, 15:04:39 UTC
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Sure you see that before: Creditscrew uses a random number generator to give the credits.
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