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Message 75682 - Posted: 1 Feb 2005, 2:25:49 UTC - in response to Message 75599.  

Getting back their welfare money thru taxes is good. Forcing someone into prostitution is not. Wait until the men start getting the same job referals.
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Message 75683 - Posted: 1 Feb 2005, 2:31:02 UTC - in response to Message 75682.  
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> Getting back their welfare money thru taxes is good. Forcing someone into
> prostitution is not. Wait until the men start getting the same job referals.
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The men will probably be standing in line for that job. That is heterosexual job not the other.


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Message 75687 - Posted: 1 Feb 2005, 2:46:16 UTC - in response to Message 75683.  

> The men will probably be standing in line for that job. That is heterosexual
> job not the other.

Since the vast majority of people paying for it is men I was talking about the other.
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Message 75688 - Posted: 1 Feb 2005, 2:50:05 UTC - in response to Message 75687.  

> > The men will probably be standing in line for that job. That is
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> Since the vast majority of people paying for it is men I was talking about the
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They could also be making movies.
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Message 75691 - Posted: 1 Feb 2005, 3:06:02 UTC - in response to Message 75683.  

The men will probably be standing in line for that job. That is heterosexual job not the other.
You'd be surprised how many guys will "cross the tracks" for the right amount of money...
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Message 75717 - Posted: 1 Feb 2005, 4:47:01 UTC - in response to Message 75691.  

Back when the Jerry Springer show was cool?
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Message 75719 - Posted: 1 Feb 2005, 5:04:17 UTC

>Voltaire said, "If God did not exist, it would be necessary to invent him."

He also said,

"God is a comedian playing to an audience too afraid to laugh."

- Voltaire (1694-1778)




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Message 75763 - Posted: 1 Feb 2005, 10:53:55 UTC
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ROFLMFAO !

Look what I started...
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Message 75767 - Posted: 1 Feb 2005, 11:31:20 UTC
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"Now, now my good man, this is no time for making enemies."

- Voltaire (1694-1778) on his deathbed in response to a priest asking that he renounce Satan.

Votaire was a deist, he thought maybe a God made the universe and then was indifferent to what happened after.

He spent much of his energy railing against organized religion, singling out the Roman Catholic Church in many cases.

Votaire dedicated himself to fighting oppression, and organized religion manifested much of the oppression of his time.

Today, in much of the world, the churches need to be protected from government,

in the US, the government needs protection from the churches.

Votaire would have some interesting insights to bring us in our world today.

If you've not read much about him, it's very interesting reading.
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Message 75874 - Posted: 2 Feb 2005, 0:24:49 UTC

News flash! The Vatican is reporting that Pope John Paul II has been hospitalized with influenza.
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Message 75903 - Posted: 2 Feb 2005, 3:23:28 UTC - in response to Message 75874.  

> News flash! The Vatican is reporting that Pope John Paul II has been
> hospitalized with influenza.
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I just got my shot Friday.

ION, I see the Thread Terrorist XP v4.13 software also has a large philosophical database.
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Message 75915 - Posted: 2 Feb 2005, 5:12:20 UTC - in response to Message 75903.  
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> > News flash! The Vatican is reporting that Pope John Paul II has
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> I just got my shot Friday.
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> ION, I see the Thread Terrorist XP v4.13 software also has a large
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Maybe he got the Dove flu! when they released Doves the other day at the Vatican a Dove named Enza flew back into the Pope! So He Got In Flew Enza!


Ho ho ha ha ahah!


rothflol ohhhh my heart! ..
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Edit: I hope the Pope will be OK, i know he likes Jokes!




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Message 75922 - Posted: 2 Feb 2005, 5:43:55 UTC - in response to Message 75915.  

+1 to whoever can find and post the 1919(?) Limerick that ends with the punchline "and in flew Enza"
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Message 75924 - Posted: 2 Feb 2005, 6:03:31 UTC - in response to Message 75922.  

> +1 to whoever can find and post the 1919(?) Limerick that ends with the
> punchline "and in flew Enza"
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1918

'I had a little bird and his name was Enza, I opened the window and in flew enza.'


I'd rather speak my mind because it hurts too much to bite my tongue.

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Message 75925 - Posted: 2 Feb 2005, 6:12:02 UTC - in response to Message 75924.  

I guess that's all they had back in 1918.
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Message 75931 - Posted: 2 Feb 2005, 6:39:03 UTC - in response to Message 75924.  

That's not a Limerick, but I know that one.
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Message 77212 - Posted: 6 Feb 2005, 23:01:55 UTC

Can a mission refuse to wed non-Catholics?

February 6, 2005

WASHINGTON – When a couple who wanted to marry approached a Catholic parish in Carmel a few years back, the future bride and groom were disappointed to learn they could not wed there because they were not Catholics.

Although it's not surprising that a parish would refuse the use of its sanctuary for a non-Catholic wedding, this particular church lies in one of California's historic missions. Some Washington lawmakers argue that it's OK to spend federal money on the missions because they are historic structures to be enjoyed by all the public.

Last week, the San Jose couple joined a lawsuit that seeks to bar Washington from sending federal money to restore the state's 21 aging missions. The lawsuit had already questioned whether the federal government should spend taxpayer money on structures that regularly host Catholic Masses, but the couple's involvement broaches a new issue: Should taxpayer money support structures that exclude some people from using the facilities?

"This would be a demonstration that the (missions) are in fact discriminating on the basis of religion when they make decisions about who can use their facilities," said the Rev. Barry Lynn, executive director of Americans United for Separation of Church and State, which filed a lawsuit after President Bush signed a bill that would give $10 million to help repair California's missions. "This discriminatory practice would be helped by these government funds."

Knox Mellon, executive director of the California Missions Foundation, which is raising money to match the federal funds, said he did not know about the San Jose couple.

"I'd have to think about this," Mellon said. People are "certainly free to enjoy a visit to the sanctuary – learn about the history, learn about the paintings, walk through the museums, peruse the bookstore. But I don't know what the response should be to asking to be married in the sanctuary of a denomination that may . . . have restrictions on who can be married."

A spokesman for California Sen. Barbara Boxer, the Democrat who wrote the mission-funding bill, said taxpayer money will not support discriminatory practices because the money will pay for "the preservation of historic landmarks – not for the church, and not for religious services performed by the church."

Bush approved the money for the missions in December. The Catholic Church owns 19 of the missions – which stretch from San Diego to north of Sonoma – and Masses are regularly held at all of them. The state of California owns two missions.

The bill's passage thrilled preservationists, who have long battled to fix crumbling adobe walls and termite-eaten wood at the state's most visited historical landmarks. Yet it angered constitutional advocates, who sued in the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia. They complain that giving money to active churches violates the constitutional provision separating church and state. The group has said it will pursue its complaint to the U.S. Supreme Court, if necessary.

The lawsuit acquired its new plaintiffs Jan. 28. They are listed only as Erik and Sonia Doe – not their real names – from San Jose. They asked four years ago to be married at the Mission San Carlos, which is eligible for some of the money under Boxer's bill. But mission officials refused the couple's request because neither of them is Catholic, the amended lawsuit says.

In an e-mail response to questions from Copley New Service, the couple said after their wedding request for the church was rejected, "We asked if we could use some part of the mission with our own priest hired for the occasion, and were again told 'no.' "

The couple, both now engineers, married a few months later in Monterey.

When they recently learned the mission would be given federal money, they called Americans United with their story.

"Erik and Sonia Doe are offended by . . . the expenditure of their tax dollars to support houses of worship that discriminate on the basis of religion when making decisions about who may use their facilities," says the complaint.

Kevin Drabinski, spokesman for the Diocese of Monterey, said the mission policy is that at least one party in a wedding must be Catholic.

"If I was a Christian, would I ask to have a marriage in a Buddhist temple or a synagogue?" asked Drabinski, who said the mission intends to apply for some of the federal funds to help maintain its Basilica, where the San Jose couple asked to be married.

Mission officials did not return several phone calls seeking comment. David Barna, a spokesman for the National Park Service, said he could not comment on the new complaint because the matter is in court.

Critics of the funding point out that the U.S. Supreme Court has ruled states "may not erect buildings in which religious activities are to take place" or "maintain such buildings or renovate them when they fall into disrepair."

But an Interior Department spokesman has said federal money has been spent before on historic structures where church services are held, including Atlanta's Ebenezer Baptist Church.

Neither side in the controversy could say whether officials at these churches refuse to allow some couples to marry in the structures.

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Message 77960 - Posted: 10 Feb 2005, 2:45:48 UTC

Appeals court being sued over seal

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SAN FRANCISCO – The federal appeals court that ruled the Pledge of Allegiance was an unconstitutional endorsement of religion is being sued for allegedly displaying the Ten Commandments on its seal and courthouses.

The case was brought by Pleasanton attorney Ryan Donlon, who was admitted to practice before the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in June.

In his lawsuit against the San Francisco-based court, he said the certificate admitting him contains the court's seal which unlawfully contains what he believes is a tablet object that "represents the Judeo-Christian Decalogue commonly referred to as the Ten Commandments."

Cathy Catterson, the court's clerk, said the seal highlights a woman, known as "the Majesty of the Law" who is reading a large book. At her feet is a tablet with 10 unreadable lines on it, what Donlon believes is the Ten Commandments.

Catterson said the tablet has "the same shape" of the Ten Commandments but "you can't read the text of it."

She said the drawing became the court's seal decades ago, and is a depiction of a tile mosaic in one of the century-old courthouse's ornate courtrooms.

"It's been up there for 100 years," she said.

In 2002, the appeals court sided with an atheist father who challenged the words "under God" in the pledge, ruling the pledge that public school children recite each day was an unconstitutional endorsement of religion.

The U.S. Supreme Court dismissed the case, saying the father, Michael Newdow, did not have legal standing to bring the case because he didn't have custody of his elementary school-aged daughter and because the girl's mother objected to the lawsuit.

In 1980, the Supreme Court declared unconstitutional the public display of the Ten Commandments in public schools.

The high court is considering whether displays of the commandments in Kentucky courthouses and a monument on the Texas state Capitol grounds violate the separation of church and state.

Donlon, in his suit filed Friday, is urging the 9th Circuit to remove what he says are the Ten Commandments from the 9th Circuit's courtrooms, letterhead and seal.

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Message 77968 - Posted: 10 Feb 2005, 3:05:21 UTC - in response to Message 77960.  

Well hell-
Good bet if a half naked blindfolded woman carrying scales and unreadable stone tablets walked into my room right now-
I'd turn this box off and start worshipping...cc
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