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Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24912 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
There is an answer. It's not radical but it would never work because of individual selfishness. During the blackouts of the 70's many friends and neighbours[In our area at least] helped each other with lighting and cooking. How was this done with no power? A well known item often used by campers. Calor Gas with their camping gaz. The young need to be shown that to use their "social networking" takes power. Their smartphones need charging. With everybody in the country to stop using mains for a day or so will soon send the pigs in the troughs the message that enough is enough. Or even better make it happen one day a week until it starts hitting their profits. The one good side effect of all that is that people will have spare cash in their pockets from the savings made on their bills. Win/Win for the consumer. |
James Sotherden Send message Joined: 16 May 99 Posts: 10436 Credit: 110,373,059 RAC: 54 |
Ever since National Grid bout out our own local regional power company. We have seen nothing but rate increase after rate increase. WE supposedly have a Public service commission that is looking out for us consumers. But I think they are all on the take. As in my memory they have never said no to a rate hike. The problem with cutting back on use, Is the power companys say they are losing revenue and then raise the rates anyway. I read some time ago that out west the citizens were asked to cut back on water use because of a drought. It was such a success that the water company complained they were losing money and raised the rates anyway. It seems you cant win when CEO's only care about making themselves and the major stock holders rich. Which is why they never want to keep up with the infrstructure untill it breaks down. [/quote] Old James |
Bill Walker Send message Joined: 4 Sep 99 Posts: 3868 Credit: 2,697,267 RAC: 0 |
Similar things are happening throughout the western world. These are simply hidden taxes. You can justify it all you want, with "capital expenditures" and "debt reduction", it all boils down to the government needs more money, and elected governments know that an obvious tax raise is the kiss of death for them at the next election. Everybody wants the government goodies, but nobody wants to pay for them. So, the government hides the extra taxes. It seems to work, nobody complains too loudly when told the money goes for sewers or street lights or whatever. For example, if I completely stopped using city water, my municipal water bill would go down by only about 50%. The rest of it goes on, in "sewer fees", "capital improvements", etc. The electrical bill is similar. |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 31009 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
It seems you cant wine when CEO's only care about making themselves and the major stock holders rich. Which is why they never want to keep up with the infrstructure untill it breaks down. I think you are conflating public infrastructure with private enterprise and bitching about the worst in each, especially when overseen by a regulatory body that refuses to allow a nice big fat rainy day fund to be built. |
James Sotherden Send message Joined: 16 May 99 Posts: 10436 Credit: 110,373,059 RAC: 54 |
It seems you cant wine when CEO's only care about making themselves and the major stock holders rich. Which is why they never want to keep up with the infrstructure untill it breaks down. My electric comapany is not a public utillty Its a private company from the UK. But they are supposedly overseen by the PSC, So that we customers dont get shafted every time the CEO needs a new Lear jet. And it seems like on the bills you get there is another user fee or tax that gets added. What galls me is a delivery charge for my power I use. [/quote] Old James |
Nick Send message Joined: 11 Oct 11 Posts: 4344 Credit: 3,313,107 RAC: 0 |
None off this would have come about with any of these utility companies had the government, at the time of sale, stipulated that a set percentage of profits had to be pumped back in to the business before a dividend could be declared. A typical example of governments having no understanding on how business runs but continually hell bent on interfering in it. The Kite Fliers -------------------- Kite fliers: An imaginary club of solo members, those who don't yet belong to a formal team so "fly their own kites" - as the saying goes. |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 31009 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
Chris, You should have three or four different power companies who have cables down your street to choose from. Without competition and without regulation ... |
James Sotherden Send message Joined: 16 May 99 Posts: 10436 Credit: 110,373,059 RAC: 54 |
Thats why I get a big laugh when another company says we can save you money with our lower rate. Yeah but by the time National Grid whacks you with the delivery charge and taxes you dont save diddly squat. [/quote] Old James |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 31009 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
Thats why I get a big laugh when another company says we can save you money with our lower rate. Yeah but by the time National Grid whacks you with the delivery charge and taxes you dont save diddly squat. That's why I said has cables down the street ... |
rob smith Send message Joined: 7 Mar 03 Posts: 22532 Credit: 416,307,556 RAC: 380 |
I've just run a price comparison for my bill. Over twenty percent between highest and lowest "normal" tariff using only suppliers who have declared this autumn's increases. The "big boys are in a band at the high end, while the little companies are banded at the low end. The distribution cost is about 20% of the energy cost, and varies between supplier, being highest for the small companies. The biggest difference is in the energy cost, where the small companies use the "public" wholesale price, whereas the big ones tend to use an internal one (they are both producer and domestic supplier) and that tends to be much more than the public price.... Basically the big six companies are taking advantage of their high market share to overcharge their customers. Bob Smith Member of Seti PIPPS (Pluto is a Planet Protest Society) Somewhere in the (un)known Universe? |
Nick Send message Joined: 11 Oct 11 Posts: 4344 Credit: 3,313,107 RAC: 0 |
The UK governments have dug themselves a mighty big hole with this selling off of the utilities business. To build a new atomic power station the consortium behind the build gets twice the price for it electricity generated, Now I hear that the consortiums behind the large wind powered generators are looking for the same kind of deal. 180 wind generators are currently being constructed out in the sea in a farm, I think off Wales. This is their last construction and will not undertake any more unless they can be given a guaranteed return on their investment...which means they wont two times the price for the electricity they generate. The other two utilities will surely follow next with a scam of their own. The government has lost control of this utilities situation and when the electorate perceive that a government has lost control they will seek a body that offers to take back control....you can guess what road I'm going down here, and It's not the road that I'd particularly want choose. The Kite Fliers -------------------- Kite fliers: An imaginary club of solo members, those who don't yet belong to a formal team so "fly their own kites" - as the saying goes. |
Nick Send message Joined: 11 Oct 11 Posts: 4344 Credit: 3,313,107 RAC: 0 |
The utilities have become a legalised monopoly. If this mild spell of weather was to carry on like this all through this coming winter then expect another 10% in crease in prices next year to cover loss of revenue required to pay the share holders with. The Kite Fliers -------------------- Kite fliers: An imaginary club of solo members, those who don't yet belong to a formal team so "fly their own kites" - as the saying goes. |
rob smith Send message Joined: 7 Mar 03 Posts: 22532 Credit: 416,307,556 RAC: 380 |
And if the winter is a hard one expect a 10% increase to cover their "increased operating costs due to adverse weather conditions". Bob Smith Member of Seti PIPPS (Pluto is a Planet Protest Society) Somewhere in the (un)known Universe? |
Nick Send message Joined: 11 Oct 11 Posts: 4344 Credit: 3,313,107 RAC: 0 |
It's an ill wind that blows nobody good... The Kite Fliers -------------------- Kite fliers: An imaginary club of solo members, those who don't yet belong to a formal team so "fly their own kites" - as the saying goes. |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 31009 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
Love the carbon tax. |
James Sotherden Send message Joined: 16 May 99 Posts: 10436 Credit: 110,373,059 RAC: 54 |
Just done a tariff check on the British Gas site for Dual fuel. The tariff we are on "Online Variable May 2014" is already the cheapest. There is a "fixed price 2016" offer, but they'll frontload the prices per unit over the standard cost, and then in 3 years time wham!!! You bills will pick up the last 3 years increases all in one go. Best to pay as you go to manage you finance. Chris I plan on retireing in 2017. I might have to sub-let a room in my house to make ends meet. I can sponsor you:) [/quote] Old James |
Iona Send message Joined: 12 Jul 07 Posts: 790 Credit: 22,438,118 RAC: 0 |
As stated elsewhere, it is my firm belief, that no utility company, ie, gas supply etc, electricity supply and generation, water supply (inc sewers, drainage and reservoirs) and arguably, landlines and 'public' transport should be owned or controlled by private companies. These are essential things that should not be provided on a 'for profit' basis. All these things are national assets and are too valuable to entrust to greedy, self-serving politicians and even more greedy companies. In the case of the UK, it could be argued that, since the respective political parties (usually, CONservative) didn't own those assets and did not have the permission of the people to sell them, they had no right to sell them and they should therefore be charged with fraud, theft and embezzlement - just for starters! We do not need 'more companies' in the 'market place, when, quite obviously, it is not a market, but a cartel!!! Don't take life too seriously, as you'll never come out of it alive! |
Wiggo Send message Joined: 24 Jan 00 Posts: 36798 Credit: 261,360,520 RAC: 489 |
As stated elsewhere, it is my firm belief, that no utility company, ie, gas supply etc, electricity supply and generation, water supply (inc sewers, drainage and reservoirs) and arguably, landlines and 'public' transport should be owned or controlled by private companies. These are essential things that should not be provided on a 'for profit' basis. All these things are national assets and are too valuable to entrust to greedy, self-serving politicians and even more greedy companies. In the case of the UK, it could be argued that, since the respective political parties (usually, CONservative) didn't own those assets and did not have the permission of the people to sell them, they had no right to sell them and they should therefore be charged with fraud, theft and embezzlement - just for starters! I totally agree as our governments here have been doing this since the late 80's and where privatisation has step in the prices have sky rocketed out of this world (plus what they have sold off has always made a good profit for the public purse). Cheers. |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 31009 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
I totally agree as our governments here have been doing this since the late 80's and where privatisation has step in the prices have sky rocketed out of this world (plus what they have sold off has always made a good profit for the public purse). Interesting. For most of my life the public electric company, publicly traded to boot, has been able, or required by the PUC, to charge lower rates than the municipal electric companies, unregulated, here in Los Angeles county California. This may be because the municipals have been forced by their politician overseers to overcharge to fatten up the municipal general fund. Oh well, different corrupt politicians in different corrupt offices I suppose. |
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