Hmmn, how's that for home deliveries.....

...Tesco's know best.



After

"Officers said it was not yet known what caused the crash."

Would not be surprised to find that he fell asleep at the wheel.

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Terrorist related or a genuine accident?

Malayan Boeing B777-200 missing

"Separately, it has been reported that two passengers who were listed on the plane's manifest - an Italian and an Austrian - were not actually on the flight but had had their passports stolen in the past two years in Thailand."

"The plane had been flying at an altitude of 35,000ft (10,700m) and the pilots had not reported any problems with the aircraft, Fuad Sharuji, Malaysia Airlines' vice-president of operations control, told CNN."

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Terrorist related or a genuine accident?

Malayan Boeing B777-200 missing

"Separately, it has been reported that two passengers who were listed on the plane's manifest - an Italian and an Austrian - were not actually on the flight but had had their passports stolen in the past two years in Thailand."

"The plane had been flying at an altitude of 35,000ft (10,700m) and the pilots had not reported any problems with the aircraft, Fuad Sharuji, Malaysia Airlines' vice-president of operations control, told CNN."

We won't know until either the majority of the wreckage is pieced together, or the black (bright orange) boxes are found.

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BOINC WIKI

Quite true, however, there are questions being raised as to security......

Plane "may have turned back"

"Investigators are also checking CCTV footage of two passengers who are believed to have boarded the plane using stolen passports.

"Whilst it is too soon to speculate about any connection between these stolen passports and the missing plane, it is clearly of great concern that any passenger was able to board an international flight using a stolen passport listed in Interpol databases," the agency's Secretary General Ronald Noble said in a statement."

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Very possibly a red herring. Stolen passports are used quite often in some parts of the world. We don't hear about it until something like this happens.

People wouldn't steal passports if they didn't have value, and the stolen ones only have value if the purchaser can use them.

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Interpol is investigating more suspect passports used to board a missing Malaysia Airlines flight, in addition to two European ones that were falsely used by unidentified passengers, the global police agency said on Sunday.

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sympathy and healing energies sent to those waiting, wondering and weeping.

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I think ice in the Pitot tubes is the most likely cause, like in the case of the Air France A330 on the South Atlantic. She was very high. My sympathy to all.
Tullio

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More than four days since it vanished, officials don't seem to know where to look for the Malaysia Airlines jet.

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More than four days since it vanished, officials don't seem to know where to look for the Malaysia Airlines jet.

I think that they need to call in a search analysis specialist. I did not know these existed until I heard one being interviewed on NPR yesterday. He works for the company that did the analysis that found the Air France 447 black boxes a week after the search they directed got started.

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BOINC WIKI

A Chinese satellite may have found crash site.

http://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-updates/malaysian-airlines-flight-mh370-crash-site-found-by-chinese-satellite/story-fnizu68q-1226853195656

Now we just have to wait and see if it's confirmed.

Also news just coming through that an American company has shifted 3 of its satellites to take images of the 2 search areas and put on the web so that the public can try to spot the wreckage (no link for this 1 yet).

Cheers.

A Chinese satellite may have found crash site.

http://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-updates/malaysian-airlines-flight-mh370-crash-site-found-by-chinese-satellite/story-fnizu68q-1226853195656

Now we just have to wait and see if it's confirmed.

Also news just coming through that an American company has shifted 3 of its satellites to take images of the 2 search areas and put on the web so that the public can try to spot the wreckage (no link for this 1 yet).

Cheers.

That looks promising for finding the wreckage. It does not look promising for finding survivors.

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BOINC WIKI

A Chinese satellite may have found crash site.

http://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-updates/malaysian-airlines-flight-mh370-crash-site-found-by-chinese-satellite/story-fnizu68q-1226853195656

Now we just have to wait and see if it's confirmed.

Also news just coming through that an American company has shifted 3 of its satellites to take images of the 2 search areas and put on the web so that the public can try to spot the wreckage (no link for this 1 yet).

Cheers.

That looks promising for finding the wreckage. It does not look promising for finding survivors.

China had the pictures for days, why release them now?? It has been said that China has a secret satellite.

I pray for each and every victim, and their families.

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All major US networks are reporting that the Arleigh Burke-class destroyer USS Kidd has been detached from its Carrier Strike Group and sent to the Indian Ocean west of Malaysia to help search. While many official sources are down-playing the reports of continuing data transmissions from the plane's engines after the transponders were shut off, the area the US warship is headed for gives credence to the notion that the plane did not go down near its intended flight path. The word "piracy" has also been used in several reports I saw.

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Donald
Infernal Optimist / Submariner, retired

A lot of people are calling in to radio shows, wondering how a plane could be hijacked in this day and age without any of the many passengers who must have cell phones calling someone to say what's going on. I even heard an answer to this: that the hijacker(s) knocked them all out by turning off the oxygen.

I have a much simpler answer. Unless I'm a LOT farther out of the techno-loop than I think I am, there's no cell service over the open ocean!

Am I wrong to think that if the plane was far enough from land to be in a gap in civil ATC, it was also waaaaaaay out of range of the nearest cell tower?

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David
Sitting on my butt while others boldly go,
Waiting for a message from a small furry creature from Alpha Centauri.

A lot of people are calling in to radio shows, wondering how a plane could be hijacked in this day and age without any of the many passengers who must have cell phones calling someone to say what's going on. I even heard an answer to this: that the hijacker(s) knocked them all out by turning off the oxygen.

I doubt that caller knew what he was talking about. Once the passenger cabin is pressurized for altitude, there is only a slow bleed of oxygen to maintain safe breathing levels. Turning that off would still take time for the oxygen to drop to dangerous levels. Easier to put on an oxygen mask and depressurize the cabin - put everybody to sleep real quick.

I have a much simpler answer. Unless I'm a LOT farther out of the techno-loop than I think I am, there's no cell service over the open ocean!

Am I wrong to think that if the plane was far enough from land to be in a gap in civil ATC, it was also waaaaaaay out of range of the nearest cell tower?

Probably true for most cell phones. There are international satelite-based cell phone systems, but I doubt most folks could afford the costs.

More reports of military radars tracking the plane flying west over Malaysia and towards the Indian Ocean. They are also trying to use the engine data transmissions to get a rough fligth path/position of the aircraft.

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Donald
Infernal Optimist / Submariner, retired

A lot of people are calling in to radio shows, wondering how a plane could be hijacked in this day and age without any of the many passengers who must have cell phones calling someone to say what's going on. I even heard an answer to this: that the hijacker(s) knocked them all out by turning off the oxygen.

I doubt that caller knew what he was talking about. Once the passenger cabin is pressurized for altitude, there is only a slow bleed of oxygen to maintain safe breathing levels. Turning that off would still take time for the oxygen to drop to dangerous levels. Easier to put on an oxygen mask and depressurize the cabin - put everybody to sleep real quick.

I thought that idea was particularly stupid when I heard it.

I have a much simpler answer. Unless I'm a LOT farther out of the techno-loop than I think I am, there's no cell service over the open ocean!

Am I wrong to think that if the plane was far enough from land to be in a gap in civil ATC, it was also waaaaaaay out of range of the nearest cell tower?

Probably true for most cell phones. There are international satelite-based cell phone systems, but I doubt most folks could afford the costs.

More reports of military radars tracking the plane flying west over Malaysia and towards the Indian Ocean. They are also trying to use the engine data transmissions to get a rough fligth path/position of the aircraft.

I thought of that, but what are the odds that someone had one? Pretty slim, I'd have to think.

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David
Sitting on my butt while others boldly go,
Waiting for a message from a small furry creature from Alpha Centauri.

Malayan Boeing B777-200 missing
Travelling in Safety

All posts moved to:
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=74331
Politics : Malayan Boeing B777-200 missing

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Malayan Boeing B777-200 missing
Travelling in Safety

All posts moved to:
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=74331
Politics : Malayan Boeing B777-200 missing

Sorry, posts have been moved back to Travelling in Safety.
I did not state that I was consolidated the posts.

Many of you do not like to post in politics.

Lynn

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That may be so, but both threads are now looking like pig's dinners!

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