+500? make it In progress (1340)... To avoid that, is exactly why i´m one of the ones who ask for balance the credit "paid" by MB to the same level of AP. :)

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+500? make it In progress (1340)... To avoid that, is exactly why i´m one of the ones who ask for balance the credit "paid" by MB to the same level of AP. :)

Well it aint going to happen. So learn to live with no AP's because Mr. HOG will snag all he can. And now that all the rest of the credit hounds know about how he did it forget about the rest of us normal crunchers about ever getting any AP's.

Hows the letter writing campaing to the chancerlor going?

We adress him our demands, and he ask more time to wait to see if all fix by itself, and avoid "drastic measures", at least we put that in his radar, what is sure a good step ahead. Seems like E@H have similar problems with creditnew on their beta project, see in their forums more about, so is not just us...

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My letter to the chancellor is in draft at the moment. I said that I would wait an appropriate period of time to see if Dr. A. was going to rectify the system (I have emailed him on this issue). If I do not see any real change in system behaviour after the next v7 swing, my letter will go.

cheers

And nothing will happen.

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Old James

My letter to the chancellor is in draft at the moment. I said that I would wait an appropriate period of time to see if Dr. A. was going to rectify the system (I have emailed him on this issue). If I do not see any real change in system behaviour after the next v7 swing, my letter will go.

cheers

I would be happy to hear an official acknowledgement that a problem exists. A statement indicating the time frame for corrective action would be a plus.

I think what's happening is that the powers that be are hoping that we wear ourselves out and the problem just goes away by ignoring it. This may be more political than technical. I've worked too long in Fortune 500 companies to not recognize this.

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My letter to the chancellor is in draft at the moment. I said that I would wait an appropriate period of time to see if Dr. A. was going to rectify the system (I have emailed him on this issue). If I do not see any real change in system behaviour after the next v7 swing, my letter will go.

cheers

I would be happy to hear an official acknowledgement that a problem exists. A statement indicating the time frame for corrective action would be a plus.

I think what's happening is that the powers that be are hoping that we wear ourselves out and the problem just goes away by ignoring it. This may be more political than technical. I've worked too long in Fortune 500 companies to not recognize this.

Seti@Home is just a part time gimmick for UCB. Dr.A runs the show and he runs BOINC. Their real jobs are for the space science lab. Do you really think the Chancelor could give a rats patootie about your RAC on creditnew?

Dr A. is the BMOC. I really doubt that angry letters from credit hounds will sway the chancelor to force DR.A. to change it.

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Old James

My letter to the chancellor is in draft at the moment. I said that I would wait an appropriate period of time to see if Dr. A. was going to rectify the system (I have emailed him on this issue). If I do not see any real change in system behaviour after the next v7 swing, my letter will go.

cheers

I would be happy to hear an official acknowledgement that a problem exists. A statement indicating the time frame for corrective action would be a plus.

I think what's happening is that the powers that be are hoping that we wear ourselves out and the problem just goes away by ignoring it. This may be more political than technical. I've worked too long in Fortune 500 companies to not recognize this.

Seti@Home is just a part time gimmick for UCB. Dr.A runs the show and he runs BOINC. Their real jobs are for the space science lab. Do you really think the Chancelor could give a rats patootie about your RAC on creditnew?

Dr A. is the BMOC. I really doubt that angry letters from credit hounds will sway the chancelor to force DR.A. to change it.

James

You are entitled to your view as anyone else is to theirs.

cheers

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My letter to the chancellor is in draft at the moment. I said that I would wait an appropriate period of time to see if Dr. A. was going to rectify the system (I have emailed him on this issue). If I do not see any real change in system behaviour after the next v7 swing, my letter will go.

cheers

Lionel, of course this is a "free world" and you're entitled to express opinion but do you really think you will be taken seriously or that your letter will even pass beyond the secretary ? I wish you the best, I'm not bashing you at all so don't feel offended please.

cheers !

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Guy´s we allready put the problem at Eric Radar, give him some time before any other action. It´s the simple and less painfull way. He is a good person and i´m sure love the project like us all. Have some faith in the hummanity.

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Guy´s we allready put the problem at Eric Radar, give him some time before any other action. It´s the simple and less painfull way. He is a good person and i´m sure love the project like us all. Have some faith in the hummanity.

Like blurf allready told you, Eric has no say in creditnew.

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Old James

Guy´s we allready put the problem at Eric Radar, give him some time before any other action. It´s the simple and less painfull way. He is a good person and i´m sure love the project like us all. Have some faith in the hummanity.

Like blurf allready told you, Eric has no say in creditnew.

Yes i know, but he could adjust the base credit given without mess with the creditnew.

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Guy´s we already put the problem at Eric Radar, give him some time before any other action. It´s the simple and less painfull way. He is a good person and i´m sure love the project like us all. Have some faith in the hummanity.

Like blurf allready told you, Eric has no say in creditnew.

Yes I know, but he could adjust the base credit given without mess with the creditnew.

No, he can't. As has been reported elsewhere, Eric tried to do that awhile back and was told "NO" by his boss, Dr. David Anderson. Dr Anderson is the head honcho for both BOINC and Seti@Home (see the S@H homepage). So I say again, Dr. Anderson is the only one who can change CreditNew or authorize changes to Seti@Home credit grants.

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Donald
Infernal Optimist / Submariner, retired

Guy´s we already put the problem at Eric Radar, give him some time before any other action. It´s the simple and less painfull way. He is a good person and i´m sure love the project like us all. Have some faith in the hummanity.

Like blurf allready told you, Eric has no say in creditnew.

Yes I know, but he could adjust the base credit given without mess with the creditnew.

No, he can't. As has been reported elsewhere, Eric tried to do that awhile back and was told "NO" by his boss, Dr. David Anderson. Dr Anderson is the head honcho for both BOINC and Seti@Home (see the S@H homepage). So I say again, Dr. Anderson is the only one who can change CreditNew or authorize changes to Seti@Home credit grants.

If that is then anyone have access to Dr. A and sensibilize him? If no, we are in trouble.

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Guy´s we already put the problem at Eric Radar, give him some time before any other action. It´s the simple and less painfull way. He is a good person and i´m sure love the project like us all. Have some faith in the hummanity.

Like blurf allready told you, Eric has no say in creditnew.

Yes I know, but he could adjust the base credit given without mess with the creditnew.

No, he can't. As has been reported elsewhere, Eric tried to do that awhile back and was told "NO" by his boss, Dr. David Anderson. Dr Anderson is the head honcho for both BOINC and Seti@Home (see the S@H homepage). So I say again, Dr. Anderson is the only one who can change CreditNew or authorize changes to Seti@Home credit grants.

If that is then anyone have access to Dr. A and sensibilize him? If no, we are in trouble.

A link to Dr. Anderson's email address has been posted several times in Lionel's CreditNew threads, and is also available on Dr. Anderson's profile on the S@H homepage. It has also been reported by others who have direct access to Dr. A that he is satisfied that CreditNew is working the way it was designed (by him) to work, therefore he has no plans to change it. I do not understand why some people find that so difficult to understand or accept.

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Donald
Infernal Optimist / Submariner, retired

Maybe if somebody sent Dr.A an MP4 of a desperate
cruncher flailing around on the floor, frothing and beating
his fists and feet, to show him they're serious.

Or offer him a wad of Benjamins.

Edit- You know, I wonder why nobody has started a petition
and tried to get signatures on some web page. Isn't that
how things usually get done?

It has also been reported by others who have direct access to Dr. A that he is satisfied that CreditNew is working the way it was designed (by him) to work, therefore he has no plans to change it. I do not understand why some people find that so difficult to understand or accept.

I have no difficult to understand or accept, i belive he is the one who don´t understand what we talk about, at least on my case, i'm not asking to change nothing in the creditnew, or more credit, what i ask for its simple, and in theory that´s how creditnew is expected to work.

The credit "paid" for a WU must be determinated by the processing power used to crunch the WU, not by the WU itself, so 2 diferent WU that uses the same processing power to crunch on same host must receive the same credit, something anyone could understand.

That´s what is not working, 1 hr of AP crunching is paying 2x more credit than the same 1 hr of crunching with MB on the same host, in theory that´s exactly one of the things creditnew must avoid when he do it´s magic and balance the diferent plataforms/WU.

But i realy belive is a hopeless cause as you posted. No one will make nothing to change if Dr. A. is not sensible or don´t hear us. Unfortunately that´s is the case.

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It has also been reported by others who have direct access to Dr. A that he is satisfied that CreditNew is working the way it was designed (by him) to work, therefore he has no plans to change it. I do not understand why some people find that so difficult to understand or accept.

I have no difficult to understand or accept, i belive he is the one who don´t understand what we talk about, at least on my case, i'm not asking to change nothing in the creditnew, or more credit, what i ask for its simple, and in theory that´s how creditnew is expected to work.

In computer programming, as in so many other things, what seems simple in theory is often easier said than done. Especially when you are writting code that has to acomodate multiple different platforms and a wide variety of applications.

The credit "paid" for a WU must be determinated by the processing power used to crunch the WU, not by the WU itself, so 2 diferent WU that uses the same processing power to crunch on same host must receive the same credit, something anyone could understand.

That´s what is not working, 1 hr of AP crunching is paying 2x more credit than the same 1 hr of crunching with MB on the same host, in theory that´s exactly one of the things creditnew must avoid when he do it´s magic and balance the diferent plataforms/WU.

But i realy belive is a hopeless cause as you posted. No one will make nothing to change if Dr. A. is not sensible or don´t hear us. Unfortunately that´s is the case.

As has been said repeatedly in the discussions of CreditNew, Dr. A VERY RARELY reads the Seti@Home forums, so having these discussions here is a waste of time and bandwidth.

As the posts from people with "Volunteer Developer" tags under their names show, many of the same arguments put forth by you, Lionel, and others, have been made in the BOINC Developers Forums. These are NOT new issues since the roll-out of MB v7. The sense I get from their posts is that Dr. A believes that, for all its deficiencies, CreditNew, as written, is the best he can do given the wide variety of crunchers and applications it has to deal with.

But if you think you can change his mind, or have an idea that might make CreditNew work better, make your arguments directly to Dr. A, or join the BOINC Developers Forum.

Failing that, I respectfully request that any and all further discussion of CreditNew in THIS forum be confined to Lionel's Effects of CreditNew thread.

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Donald
Infernal Optimist / Submariner, retired

Donald

Sure you have a lot more experience on the area, then all is a hoopeless task.. It´s sad, i can´t understand why the admins of the project are so far from the community who give then freely the resources they need to keep the project alive. I see on others projects exactly the opositive, E@H is a example, we made some sugestions and all was put to work very fast or at least they allways answers our questions and clarify why something can´t be done or ask for time do develop the solution.

I thank you to point that for me, so i not waste more time on that matter. I realy disapointed with the reality, will be pass a long time before i see again a green star besides my name again.

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Actually Juan--Donald has access to the same info that I've passed onto you for a couple weeks now.

If you want a change to the process, reach out directly to DA.

Writing the Chancellor's office will not get anyone anywhere. I have a contact there now and they have no interest in this. They refer concerns to DA.

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I would suggest posting here because DA does read that forum.

Not sure what makes you believe that, but he only posts there:
a) For News. Posting a new thread in the News forum will show up as news in the News section on the front page.
b) Answering people, after I asked him to come by and take a peek at a poster's post or thread, and only after I've seen I cannot be of help, or I've exhausted my options for helping out.

Now, I don't mind everyone coming to the BOINC forums and setting up a discussion about CreditNew and all, as long as it's decent. But it won't be read by David, Rom or Charlie, until I point it out to them. And even then, it's up to them to decide if they want to leave an answer, or not. Well, neither Charlie nor Rom will do so, as they've got no say in this. As for David, it's in the wind.

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I would suggest posting here because DA does read that forum.

Not sure what makes you believe that, but he only posts there:
a) For News. Posting a new thread in the News forum will show up as news in the News section on the front page.
b) Answering people, after I asked him to come by and take a peek at a poster's post or thread, and only after I've seen I cannot be of help, or I've exhausted my options for helping out.

Now, I don't mind everyone coming to the BOINC forums and setting up a discussion about CreditNew and all, as long as it's decent. But it won't be read by David, Rom or Charlie, until I point it out to them. And even then, it's up to them to decide if they want to leave an answer, or not. Well, neither Charlie nor Rom will do so, as they've got no say in this. As for David, it's in the wind.

Thank you, Jord. We've been trying to get them to take their complaints directly to Dr. A. and stop wasting bandwidth here, but they don't seem to want to hear that. Maybe your saying it will get through to them.

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Donald
Infernal Optimist / Submariner, retired