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Lionel Send message Joined: 25 Mar 00 Posts: 680 Credit: 563,640,304 RAC: 597 |
Blurf, I for one have written to Dr Anderson on this issue and I will continue to express my view in this thread. Bill, you may be correct in that Dr Anderson may take no action as we are just volunteers and do not "affect his pay packet" as you say, but I am giving him time to initiate appropriate analysis after which I will write to the Vice Chancellor of Berkeley University. I would also suggest that others should communicate with Dr Anderson and if nothing eventuates, consider writing to the Vice Chancellor as well. cheers all |
James Sotherden Send message Joined: 16 May 99 Posts: 10436 Credit: 110,373,059 RAC: 54 |
Blurf, I for one have written to Dr Anderson on this issue and I will continue to express my view in this thread. Good plan, Cry to the chancellor's about Dr A. being a meany about credit new,And how your poor RAC has sufferd so. The only thing I can see happening is that if enough of you shed tears long and loud enough is that UC Berkley might just say running SETI@home isnt worth the trouble or expense. Is that what you want? [/quote] Old James |
Lionel Send message Joined: 25 Mar 00 Posts: 680 Credit: 563,640,304 RAC: 597 |
James, you are entitled to your view. You may not agree with what I am saying or going to do (which is fine) but sarcasm is not needed. Regarding your comment "The only thing I can see happening is that if enough of you shed tears long and loud enough is that UC Berkley might just say running SETI@home isn't worth the trouble or expense. Is that what you want?", that is a decision that Berkeley must make and if that decision was made from my letter to the Vice Chancellor on the back of a complaint about lack of scientific rigor around a credit system then I would have to say that Berkeley would have been on the verge of doing such regardless. However, it is one of the things that I am considering raising within my letter to the Vice Chancellor. cheers |
James Sotherden Send message Joined: 16 May 99 Posts: 10436 Credit: 110,373,059 RAC: 54 |
James, you are entitled to your view. You may not agree with what I am saying or going to do (which is fine) but sarcasm is not needed. Well if this project gets shut down, You better expect a lot of sarcasm. [/quote] Old James |
Lionel Send message Joined: 25 Mar 00 Posts: 680 Credit: 563,640,304 RAC: 597 |
There are possibly 3 other projects that will be starting to come online over the next 2-5 years that could be used to look for ET. These are: UK SETI Research Network (UKSRN); SKA and ASKAP. If they come online and have "@home" applications, my view is Berkeley will move towards shutting down Seti and all of the volunteers (for Seti@home) will move to other seti applications. The shut down won't happen straight away, but on the back of dwindling volunteers and lack of scientific output compared to other science projects. cheers |
bill Send message Joined: 16 Jun 99 Posts: 861 Credit: 29,352,955 RAC: 0 |
I am being sincere when I say good luck with that. And if you do end up contacting the Vice Chancellor ask him if you can repeat his reply here in the forum, although I suspect he will not to fiddle with researchers projects unless there is nonfeasance, misfeasance, malfeasance, or something illegal involved. |
Thomas Send message Joined: 9 Dec 11 Posts: 1499 Credit: 1,345,576 RAC: 0 |
I think that James is absolutely right Lionel. It's better to solve our "problems" between US. The Vice Chancellor is certainly the last person to contact. On the other hand, we can continue to speak about it, to open other forums, to make proposals and to make live the subject until there is a change. These forums are here for that and I'm sure that Eric and David got wind of our complaints. And I'm not agree at all with you about your last post : the projects about which you speak "should be born" but it's so difficult to make a project live. And you are more attached to your RAC than to the community SETI@home which is exceptional ? Certainly we meet problems but I think that it's also necessary to know how to put in perspective. The project moves forward and the new version is the proof. The staff of SETI@home is always present to assure the maintenance against all odds. And you're a member of the project since 13 years ! SETI4EVER ! :) |
Lionel Send message Joined: 25 Mar 00 Posts: 680 Credit: 563,640,304 RAC: 597 |
Bill, no need to. My intent is to post any reply within the forum anyway. cheers |
John Neale Send message Joined: 16 Mar 00 Posts: 634 Credit: 7,246,513 RAC: 9 |
There are possibly 3 other projects that will be starting to come online over the next 2-5 years that could be used to look for ET. These are: UK SETI Research Network (UKSRN); SKA and ASKAP. If they come online and have "@home" applications, ... <Snip> Lionel, do you have any evidence that this will be the case? |
tullio Send message Joined: 9 Apr 04 Posts: 8797 Credit: 2,930,782 RAC: 1 |
The SETI Institute is already running projects like SETIQuest amd SETILive. But I don't know how many people are taking part and doing some work, like we do. Tullio |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30982 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
Blurf, I for one have written to Dr Anderson on this issue and I will continue to express my view in this thread. You are aware that BOINC, is open source. Anyone is free to change it as they please as long as they comply with the GPL terms. Most of the developers are not even in the USA. Complaining to the University is a waste of time. Air your complaints on the BOINC developers forums. But be aware that Credit New was requested by the admins of numerous projects, the actual users of the BOINC server software. |
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19372 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
My understanding was a different credit system was asked for, rather than the original cobblestone method. But what I don't think they asked for is a system that reduces credits for work done when the application changes. It appears that credits for V6 and V7 are approx equal at the same AR, but V7 does more work and therefore takes longer so one would have thought should get more credits, so that the host maintains its RAC. If other projects running creditnew had aligned their credits with Seti's V6, do they now have to reduce their credits just because V7 has been released on Seti? |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 21129 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
My understanding was a different credit system was asked for, rather than the original cobblestone method. A fundamental essential part of Science is consistency and to be consistent. Unfortunately in contrast to that, the Boinc credits mechanism looks to be based on a moving abstraction and at most only (unreliably) indirectly measures work/performance to award credit. Can there be an implementation that can be calibrated to something real-world tangible? As is often the problem, who has the time and interest to make that happen?! Happy fast crunchin', Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
Blurf Send message Joined: 2 Sep 06 Posts: 8964 Credit: 12,678,685 RAC: 0 |
Blurf, I for one have written to Dr Anderson on this issue and I will continue to express my view in this thread. Do as you will but be cautioned that there were rumblings some time back that if people whined about the forums/project too much to the Chancellor's office that the project could simply be shut down. |
Ulrich Metzner Send message Joined: 3 Jul 02 Posts: 1256 Credit: 13,565,513 RAC: 13 |
So it's sink or swim - really?! :? Aloha, Uli |
Blurf Send message Joined: 2 Sep 06 Posts: 8964 Credit: 12,678,685 RAC: 0 |
So it's sink or swim - really?! :? Sorry friend, you're a volunteer....not much to be done. |
Ulrich Metzner Send message Joined: 3 Jul 02 Posts: 1256 Credit: 13,565,513 RAC: 13 |
Sorry friend, you're a volunteer....not much to be done. Yes, but even simple volunteers need some motivation - don't they? ;) Aloha, Uli |
Blurf Send message Joined: 2 Sep 06 Posts: 8964 Credit: 12,678,685 RAC: 0 |
Yes, but even simple volunteers need some motivation - don't they? ;) You get credits and you help science. That's all the motivation I need. |
Lionel Send message Joined: 25 Mar 00 Posts: 680 Credit: 563,640,304 RAC: 597 |
Blurf, re your comment "Do as you will but be cautioned that there were rumblings some time back that if people whined about the forums/project too much to the Chancellor's office that the project could simply be shut down.", then we shall see. |
Lionel Send message Joined: 25 Mar 00 Posts: 680 Credit: 563,640,304 RAC: 597 |
There are possibly 3 other projects that will be starting to come online over the next 2-5 years that could be used to look for ET. These are: UK SETI Research Network (UKSRN); SKA and ASKAP. If they come online and have "@home" applications, ... John, no direct evidence at this stage with any of the 3 projects. I have not communicated to anyone in UKSRN so am totally unaware of any intent. I was hoping that others in the UK would pick this up. In relation to SKA and ASKAP, I have not verbally spoken to anyone directly but have communicated via email rather informally to try and gauge what the projects intent may possibly look like (there is no promise here). As you would appreciate, I cannot comment for either project and am in no position to do so. Having said that, I believe that there will initially NOT be an "@home" application however in the longer term there is a likely hood/probability of such being developed. I also believe that if these apps do come on line, then volunteer based resources will drift away from Berkeley and, as should be the case, Berkeley should eventually re-assess its commitment to this project. I would consider it only natural for Berkeley to re-assess its commitment to this project on a regular basis as part of its normal business practice anyway, so I would not see anything new or untoward in this. To the above, I would offer the following which is publicly available, and which you and others may find interesting (a taste of things to come maybe): http://phys.org/news/2012-06-seti-ska.html I must say though that the allure to move to one of these projects and crunch for uncharted skies is most appealing...in the end, only time will tell. cheers |
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