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kittyman Send message Joined: 9 Jul 00 Posts: 51477 Credit: 1,018,363,574 RAC: 1,004 |
The discussion is quite over. Please close the thread........... It's a done deal, kitties. I have lost a few k in RAC.. So what. You have to start dealing with this, cuz it's what's going down now. Get the F over it, or leave. Enough is enough. It is NOT gonna change. OK, kids? "Time is simply the mechanism that keeps everything from happening all at once." |
kittyman Send message Joined: 9 Jul 00 Posts: 51477 Credit: 1,018,363,574 RAC: 1,004 |
I have really lost my patience with you all. I am one of the top RAC kids on Seti........if you have not noticed. I lost a little patience when the changes first came down. I have recovered since. You all need to get a grip. The change in RAC awards don't mean shit. This is all starting to really piss me off. Not the credits..........the attitudes. Positions on SeTI vs crunching ability HAVE NOT CHANGED......... You all feel fu#@#ed? What idiots. ThjH \credits relative to other Seti folks have NOT CHANGED...... "Time is simply the mechanism that keeps everything from happening all at once." |
JohnDK Send message Joined: 28 May 00 Posts: 1222 Credit: 451,243,443 RAC: 1,127 |
Zzzzzzz |
Claggy Send message Joined: 5 Jul 99 Posts: 4654 Credit: 47,537,079 RAC: 4 |
Then where do you see this ""Flopscounter" (under Task details)" you are talking about. Because I don't see anything in BOINC manager or any of the data driven web pages. That was used in the last credit system, and was capable of being falsified, hence we're on New Credit where it's not used: The second credit system And the reason why Seti v7 gives less Credit than v6: Goals of the new (third) credit system http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/CreditNew Once we get GPU apps with improved Autocorrelation code, then we'll get improved Credit per Wu, and because the apps are faster, we'll get more work done, and hence a higher RAC from that too, End of Story. Claggy |
Rolf Send message Joined: 16 Jun 09 Posts: 114 Credit: 7,817,146 RAC: 0 |
I have really lost my patience with you all. Hard words, but I can understand you! But just accept the facts and say "Stop, I don't care anymore" in my eyes is wrong. This way people "who are responsible" (Dr. A. et al. ?) wouldn't feel responsible anymore, they would feel amnestied (-> do what you want to do without explanation and wait, nothing will happen). Other possibilities (don't take them 100% serious): 1. Founding of SCU (Seti Crunchers Union) 2. Send mass emails to the administrators of the project asking for explanation. 3. ... Above all: Don't use bad words like s... and don't quit the Project! |
Blurf Send message Joined: 2 Sep 06 Posts: 8964 Credit: 12,678,685 RAC: 0 |
Other possibilities (don't take them 100% serious): #1 would only matter if you were a paid employee--which I am sorry but you're not. You're a volunteer--which puts you in the "Take it or leave it" category. I'm sorry but #2 is preposterous and will further alienate the staff. As I stated previously, Dr. Korpela are extremely short both budget & staff-wise so they can either take time to post on the forums and avoid the necessary tech work, or they can work on keeping the servers. Please cut them some slack. Matt does post updates when he can. Fact is credits don't matter.... |
bill Send message Joined: 16 Jun 99 Posts: 861 Credit: 29,352,955 RAC: 0 |
Other possibilities (don't take them 100% serious): Yep. I was going to suggest the credit chasers just take a crayon and add a couple of zeros to their screen when looking at their rac, but then I figured that they would start arguing about which color was more important and didn't. |
betreger Send message Joined: 29 Jun 99 Posts: 11414 Credit: 29,581,041 RAC: 66 |
On this emotional subject, at least to a few, there are two scientific projects going on here. 1, the reason most of us are here, SETI. 2, the development and refinement of the distributed computing system, BOINC. I suspect BOINC gets more university resources than Seti gets. Accept the fact that every SETI work unit is just one more bit of data for Dr. Anderson's project and without his patronage S@H as such would probably not be here. |
Grant (SSSF) Send message Joined: 19 Aug 99 Posts: 13847 Credit: 208,696,464 RAC: 304 |
Fact is credits don't matter.... To some. To others they are everything. For most it's somewhere between the 2 extremes. Grant Darwin NT |
Thomas Send message Joined: 9 Dec 11 Posts: 1499 Credit: 1,345,576 RAC: 0 |
The staff of the project should however stay up in what is said in certain threads. When a subject activates so much passion and asks so many questions, answers are imperative. It's the volunteers who make the project and most of those who published in this forum are very involved in the SETI@home adventure. In my opinion, it's thus very important to answer the justifiable questioning of the volunteers about the new system of credits affectation. The discussions cannot be in one-way while the project is based on the double sense. |
bill Send message Joined: 16 Jun 99 Posts: 861 Credit: 29,352,955 RAC: 0 |
The staff of the project should however stay up in what is said in certain threads. The tail does not wag the dog. |
Wiggo Send message Joined: 24 Jan 00 Posts: 36618 Credit: 261,360,520 RAC: 489 |
The staff of the project should however stay up in what is said in certain threads. Here's a quoted reply of mine from another thread. What would it take to put the credit issue to bed once and for all? So will you stop fingering the "Staff", as there is only 1 person to take your case to and in this case the "Staff" are just "Staff", see the Boss instead. Cheers. |
Thomas Send message Joined: 9 Dec 11 Posts: 1499 Credit: 1,345,576 RAC: 0 |
So will you stop fingering the "Staff", as there is only 1 person to take your case to and in this case the "Staff" are just "Staff", see the Boss instead. Your answer is rhetorical Wiggo. You have to seize the substance of the post and not stop on the form. A staff always has a boss and it's to him to guide the work of his team. |
Wiggo Send message Joined: 24 Jan 00 Posts: 36618 Credit: 261,360,520 RAC: 489 |
So will you stop fingering the "Staff", as there is only 1 person to take your case to and in this case the "Staff" are just "Staff", see the Boss instead. It would just be nice if the right person is blamed here and I guess others can supply links to the development forums where even the "Staff" questioned the science behind CreditNew (a few have been provided before), but CreditNew is Dr Anderson's pet project (he came up with it and only he controls it, he may even be the only person to understand it) and that was the end of the story when it was 1st introduced (nearly everyone's RAC fell by nearly the same amount back then too). Cheers. |
kittyman Send message Joined: 9 Jul 00 Posts: 51477 Credit: 1,018,363,574 RAC: 1,004 |
Other possibilities (don't take them 100% serious): Oooohhh. Kitties like crayons. They are rather hard to erase from my screen though. "Time is simply the mechanism that keeps everything from happening all at once." |
bill Send message Joined: 16 Jun 99 Posts: 861 Credit: 29,352,955 RAC: 0 |
<snip> And why do you think that 'the boss' isn't guiding the work of 'his' team to 'his' satisfaction? Remember 'he' is under no requirement to perform to your satisfaction, only to the satisfaction of those he works for, and in no way is that anybody here. Unless you sign his paycheck and/or have the ability to have him removed from the project and replaced by someone else your's and everyone else's opinion means little. |
Blurf Send message Joined: 2 Sep 06 Posts: 8964 Credit: 12,678,685 RAC: 0 |
Your answer is rhetorical Wiggo. Ok please stop. DA runs the BOINC platform which grants credits overall not Seti..maybe you should go to the BOINC forums. Dr Korpela has no control over DA's actions. Either post here or please email DA directly. Thank you |
Thomas Send message Joined: 9 Dec 11 Posts: 1499 Credit: 1,345,576 RAC: 0 |
Your answer is rhetorical Wiggo. With all the respect I owe you, Blurf, how you permit yourself to stop a discussion ? This is an open thread and the rules relating to the conduct in the SETI@home forums have not been violated. What are you doing for freedom of expression ? Moreover, my words have absolutely no libelous and I answered to Wiggo. I did not more plan to open myself on the subject but I wished to answer you. Fortunately, this kind of discussion can exist... |
bill Send message Joined: 16 Jun 99 Posts: 861 Credit: 29,352,955 RAC: 0 |
Kitties has ruff tungs. Just use tuna flavored Crayons. Or would liver flavor produce a higher ROC? <removal of Crayon> And under those circumstances would MBs <meat base> be better than APs <anchovy paste>? |
Blurf Send message Joined: 2 Sep 06 Posts: 8964 Credit: 12,678,685 RAC: 0 |
The thread is still unlocked--I didn't stop any discussion. I don't have that ability. I am simply telling you that there is a more effective manner to express your concerns about CreditNew to the right person--and posting in these forums isn't the way. |
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