Yeah.

Don't you just hate it when a guy with a 250,000+ RAC won't stop wasting forum bandwidth by repeating himself?

Yeah.

Don't you just hate it when a guy with a 250,000+ RAC won't stop wasting forum bandwidth by repeating himself?

Yes, beacuse we never get to read about the guy complaining about his 250 RAC.

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Old James

Yeah.

Don't you just hate it when a guy with a 250,000+ RAC won't stop wasting forum bandwidth by repeating himself?

Yes, beacuse we never get to read about the guy complaining about his 250 RAC.

I thought that's what he was complaining about.

If you look around the site:

Seti@home Plans - last updated 20 Aug, 2012
Science news - last entry May 4, 2010
Technical news - last entry June 19, 2013
Science Status - Multi-Beam Data Recorder Status Values as of 22939320m ago

And then I look at the message boards with people annoyed about others who voice complaints and one reason they say it is a waste of bandwidth is that none of the people who run Seti@Home read the forums.

We are all volunteers spending time and money to process the data but I see no solid indication anything is done with all that work.

Again, we are volunteers, we don't get the annual thank you luncheon, we don't even get the monthly newsletter, and no mention in the Sunday sermon (or so I'm told). So if a volunteer wants to register a complaint, be it CretitNew, AP hogs running unchecked, I believe that is their right. Seriously, a message does not eat enough bandwidth to bother anything and, from what I have observed, the concerns are politely phrased. Not always so polite are those asking them to quit writing.

We are volunteers with a right to complain, suggest changes, and offer criticism. If those who run SETI chose not to read the comments, shame on them, not on the voices of reasonable questioners.

We are volunteers with a right to complain, suggest changes, and offer criticism. If those who run SETI chose not to read the comments, shame on them, not on the voices of reasonable questioners.

Nobody said they should not complain. Some of us tried to point out that the CreditNew issues are BOINC issues and not Seti@Home issues, so they should take their complaints to the person directly responsible - Dr. Anderson. We pointed out that Dr Anderson seldom if ever, reads the Seti@Home forums, so their complaints HERE would not be effective. We also passed on the word we had received, that Dr. Anderson beleived that CreditNew was performing as designed, and had no plans to change it, so they would have a tough time changing his mind. Still we kept telling them where to post their complaints/suggestions where they might be heard and acted on - to no apparent effect.

So be it. You can't help someone who doesn't seem to want to be helped.

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Donald
Infernal Optimist / Submariner, retired

It would be a pity that a number of volunteers dissociate themselves from the SETI@home project by having the feeling not to have been listened to.
Some volunteers say it's probably time to move on but if many volunteers who are strong contributors to the SETI@home project complain so much, it's that they are attached to the project and wish that we hear them.
And let no one say that David Anderson is not aware of complaints about the new system of credit allocation.
I think the impulse must come from David Anderson and it would be a mark of gratitude to all the volunteers who give time and money to the project.
WE must not forget that WE are the project.

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I think a lot before write this, but after i receive several msgs telling not to leave the project, i feel the necessity to "waste the bandwidt a little more" and answer the msgs in public.

I realy belive i (as any other volunteer) gain the right to "waste a little of the bandwidth" as anyone else who "waste the same bandwidth" playing in the cafe for example (i have nothing against the cafe games under contrary) and nobody blames them for do that!

I never ask anyone to leave or crunch less SETI, on the contrary, what i ask for is to balance the credits, rise the GPU WU limits, etc., exactly to allow us to contribute MORE to the project, or for what other reason anyone could imagine i´m here "wasting my time and bandwidth", mantain 250K RAC uses a lot of my resources and "waste a lot of my bandwidth too".

Please forgive but the reality is, we are volunteers, not slaves, so nobody has the right to ask us to shut up, specialy the mod´s, if we mantain a polite level on the discusions of course, respect comes first. I´m realy dissapoint for what happening yesterday, will keep no ofenses for that obviusly, but what happening is wrong.

On the other matter, If the Director of SETI@Home does not "waste" his time reading the forums, i belive something is wrong too, he is the first one who need to be interested in what their volunteers want, exactly to keep then focused and interested on the project.

I´m totaly agree with Thomas when he say, now is time for us to receive an input form the Project Managers about what we ask for.

That´s all will not make me quit to crunch SETI, on the contrary, i will add few new GPU´s to my "waste bandwidth crunchig farm" very soon, unless of course, someone kick me out or banish me for the project before.

Please forgive me to waste a little more of the bandwitdh with this msg, i will shut down one of my crunchers for 1 minute to fully compensate that loss.

Wish you all a good night/day and thanks all for the received suport msgs.

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Ok let me help you out a little more on this.

I heard directly from DA today. I am **'ing the important part for all of you with credit concerns to take note of.

Eric Korpela has been making some credit-related tweaks.
I'll check the status of this with him.

***I've never received email from the people who threaten to
write letters to the chancellor; they should try doing that.***

At his request, Please click here to locate his email address and contact him directly.

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Ok let me help you out a little more on this.

I heard directly from DA today. I am **'ing the important part for all of you with credit concerns to take note of.

Eric Korpela has been making some credit-related tweaks.
I'll check the status of this with him.

***I've never received email from the people who threaten to
write letters to the chancellor; they should try doing that.***

At his request, Please click here to locate his email address and contact him directly.

Not directed at Blurf, just quoting his post for the info ...

So now it looks like it might be Dr. Korpela and his tweaks. That would not be a credit new issue. Might be an issue that was missed in the beta testing. He does need good beta testers in the beta project. Dr. Korpela does read and respond in the Beta project. So if the beta testers missed the issue, why aren't you a beta tester? (They may have been more concerned with getting the code stable than the credits being flat even)

Now on to Credit New and Dr. Anderson. He rarely if ever reads a BOINC forum. He does however use e-mail and reads the BOINC related e-mail lists. The BOINC dev boards (a BOINC forum) that were pointed to earlier are primarily to help people having issues installing BOINC. The actual coders don't pay them heed as they have their own set of e-mail lists. When Jord sees real issues that can be identified, he will let them know. Vague or infrequent not repeatable stuff simply is a waste of time to track down.

Finally, if you have a documented case of Credit New failing, I suggest you gather the documentation, and e-mail Dr. Anderson and ask him what happened. No screaming about how your RAC is being screwed up. That doesn't help get a bug found and fixed. At least I assume you want a bug fix ... if not, please continue the carping.

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Lionel wrote:

Blurf, I for one have written to Dr Anderson on this issue...

Blurf wrote, quoting Dr Anderson:

I've never received email from the people who threaten to write letters to the chancellor...

Scratches head...

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@Lionel, I've just been told there is a secret way to solve Credit New issues ...

You have to do this on each computer you have.
1) Open your BOINC Manager.
2) On the projects tab, highlight Seti@Home.
3) On the left there is a button to fix Credit New issues. Depending on the BOINC version, it may be labeled "Remove" or "Detach" Press and hold the shift key, then click the button and all issues with Credit New will be fixed. I urge you to do this as soon as possible.

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When Jord sees real issues that can be identified, he will let them know. Vague or infrequent not repeatable stuff simply is a waste of time to track down.

I also forward vague and non-repeatable issues to the developers, especially when it's about crashes of the client or the manager. There've been bug-fixes made on very obscure forwards that I did. I'm always amazed that's possible. :)

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@Lionel, I've just been told there is a secret way to solve Credit New issues ...

You have to do this on each computer you have.
1) Open your BOINC Manager.
2) On the projects tab, highlight Seti@Home.
3) On the left there is a button to fix Credit New issues. Depending on the BOINC version, it may be labeled "Remove" or "Detach" Press and hold the shift key, then click the button and all issues with Credit New will be fixed. I urge you to do this as soon as possible.

Gary, you have deduced the solution to the credit new problem.

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Gary, you have deduced the solution to the credit new problem.

All hail Gary! We're not worthy!

(drops to his non-existent knees and cowtows)

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@Lionel, I've just been told there is a secret way to solve Credit New issues ...

Unfortuantely that is just a work around, and does nothing to actually fix the problem.

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Grant
Darwin NT

I heard directly from DA today. I am **'ing the important part for all of you with credit concerns to take note of.

That´s very, very sad...

I was unfamiliar that colo is located on North Korea and we are now in a tyrany regime...

Maybe the Gary´s sugested fix for the problem is realy the best thing to do... after the WOW event finishing of course.

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With all the respect that I owe you Juan, leave is not a solution.
To leave the project will solve nothing.
Where's your fighting spirit and your implication for the project ?
I invite you to follow a conviction rather than a man.
And especially, I invite you to continue to make your enormous contribution to the project.
The SETI@home project needs US and even if certain points of view diverge.
Anyway, we all share a common goal.
Let us be not tried by extremes.
Stay with us ! :)

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With all the respect that I owe you Juan, leave is not a solution.
To leave the project will solve nothing.
Where's your fighting spirit and your implication for the project ?
I invite you to follow a conviction rather than a man.
And especially, I invite you to continue to make your enormous contribution to the project.
The SETI@home project needs US and even if certain points of view diverge.
Anyway, we all share a common goal.
Let us be not tried by extremes.
Stay with us ! :)

Who say leave? I just say i could follow a sugested fix for the problem.

I´m sure who post the fix do his best for the project when he sugest a way that could help-us to fix the problem...

BTW 3 new 770 are ready to deploy here, i´m sure that will help me to minimize the creditnew impact.

Don't worry, be happy !

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Good news Juan ! :)
SETI@home4EVER

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Juan, I think the part of the message from Dr Anderson that you should read is this:

I've never received email from the people who threaten to write letters to the chancellor; they should try doing that.

(Emphasis added.)
In other words, Dr Anderson is inviting such people to contact him directly.

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