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Message 1383751 - Posted: 22 Jun 2013, 21:48:34 UTC - in response to Message 1383488.  

I fear this is going to get lost in this thread right now.
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/06/new-leaks-british-intels-direct-from-fiber-taps-worse-than-the-us/

Welcome to the world of data sharing.


I'm surprised our friends over the pond haven't make a big big stink of USA spooks having access to their private records, given all the lack of privacy and lack of access controls, we Yanks have. Perhaps the magnitude of this data sharing and just what it means hasn't sunk in just yet.

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Message 1383829 - Posted: 23 Jun 2013, 5:17:53 UTC - in response to Message 1383772.  

thats funny. guy has read more Socialist pages than I have. My number is of course zero


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Message 1383882 - Posted: 23 Jun 2013, 8:45:56 UTC - in response to Message 1383698.  

not only knows everything you do, but also everything you think, that people fear the recording of man by man.
In the Comfort Of My Mom's Basement, all alone, I can Scream Out to GOD: You GOD are a MO FOin', Piece of Shat, Lower than Pond Scum Ginger. And GOD will Do Nothing. All Is Calm.
If Man Heard Me(Recorded or Face to Face) say The Above, I Would Face Dire Consequences. Especially IfN I am a Well Known Chef or Comedian, not a Lonely Alone Mom's Basement Dweller.
So, We Fear Man. Oh How We Fear Man.
Got Lawsuit? Got Jail Time? Got Revenge? Got Shunned? Got Banished? Got It?
Bound For IT IT


WE condition children to be afraid of Santa.

He's making a list,
Checking it twice;
Gonna find out who's naughty or nice.

He sees you when you're sleeping
He knows when you're awake
He knows if you've been bad or good
So be good for goodness sake.

All for the sake of Nice Presents.

In a Proactive Democracy the government is Santa Claus to those of voting age.
The NSA is in charge of making the list.
So be good for goodness sake. LOL
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Message 1384550 - Posted: 25 Jun 2013, 14:03:01 UTC
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On June 10 1944 the church where I used to attend Mass was hit bu a USAF bomb and everybody was killed. The Americans won't bomb us, this was a wrong idea in the minds of many Trieste citizen. My family had escaped in Friuli and we found ourselves in the middle of a partisan/Fascist war, with partisans divided between Italian partisans and Yugoslav partisans. Then the German SS came up and burned the villages, so we returned to Trieste and I found my church destroyed. But I don't blame America, it was just a war.
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Message 1384625 - Posted: 25 Jun 2013, 20:33:41 UTC - in response to Message 1384550.  

agreed, the bombings were intended to hit Nazi's not civilians. A good part of the time the troops weren't anywhere near the bombing sites.

I can't imagine a village being bombed to quell the populace, especially in Italy. I can only assume the tactic was intended to keep the Nazis from having any place for shelter. Makes me think of Syria and Lybia now.


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Message 1384733 - Posted: 26 Jun 2013, 6:05:49 UTC
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Read the book "Disturbing the universe" by physicist Freeman J.Dyson who took part as a civilian scientist in the bombing campaign of the Royal Air Force, which bombed by night with incendiary bombs. At least the USAF bombed by daylight and tried to hit selected targets and not the population, although this was hit too.
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Message 1384802 - Posted: 26 Jun 2013, 10:42:03 UTC - in response to Message 1384770.  

I have a different opinion. The idea of bombing cities in order to break the morale of the troops at the front was put forward by an Italian general, Giulio,Dohuet, and widely accepted. I agree not to discuss any more the events of WWII. I shall only quote a French pilot: Je combattrai pour l'Homme. Contre ses ennemis. Mais aussi contre moi meme (A.de Saint Exupery, "Pilote de guerre").
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Message 1384960 - Posted: 26 Jun 2013, 22:55:32 UTC - in response to Message 1381990.  

The United States is a land of free speech. Nowhere is speech freer - not even here where we sedulously cultivate it even in its most repulsive form.

House of Commons, September 1944

And now this ...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-23064355
US bloggers banned from entering UK


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Message 1384967 - Posted: 26 Jun 2013, 23:38:35 UTC - in response to Message 1384960.  

... And now this ...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-23064355
US bloggers banned from entering UK


Note the:

Two prominent US bloggers have been banned from entering the UK, the Home Office has said.

Pamela Geller and Robert Spencer co-founded anti-Muslim group Stop Islamization of America.

They were due to speak at an English Defence League march in Woolwich, where Drummer Lee Rigby was killed.

A government spokesman said individuals whose presence "is not conducive to the public good" could be excluded by the home secretary.

He added: "We condemn all those whose behaviours and views run counter to our shared values and will not stand for extremism in any form." ...



Understandably, their presence is pretty much guaranteed to cause a riot and quite possibly a few deaths.

To give an American equivalent: Would you expect Obama to condone a 'shindig' by the Ku Klux Klan burning an effigy on the Whitehouse door?...


There is freedom and then there is the freedom of common decency and good sense.

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Message 1384981 - Posted: 27 Jun 2013, 1:04:47 UTC - in response to Message 1384967.  

To give an American equivalent: Would you expect Obama to condone a 'shindig' by the Ku Klux Klan burning an effigy on the Whitehouse door?...

No, the Whitehouse is his personal residence, however in the park across the street, yes, although the fire marshal might get upset about actually lighting it on fire.

And before you call me nuts, they let the Nazi's march in Skokie IL

There is freedom and then there is freedom to allow others to express thoughts we find abhorrent.


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Message 1387443 - Posted: 3 Jul 2013, 23:05:12 UTC
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Only 'millions'? Try EVERYTHING sucked up and chewed over for at least three days... And that's only what might have been admitted to...


GCHQ taps ALL transatlantic network traffic

British spy agency GCHQ taps and stores all transatlantic network traffic, totalling between 60 and 100 petabytes, for at least three days. ...

... Germany's Justice Minster, Sabine Leutheusser-Schnarrenberger, described the Tempora programme as a "Hollywood-style nightmare".



Is that another 'whistle-blower' lined up for...

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Message 1387456 - Posted: 3 Jul 2013, 23:51:07 UTC

Two further 'minor details'...


Report: Skype set up Project Chess to enable official snooping

For the last five years, Skype has been running an internal team called Project Chess to investigate methods to allow law enforcement to listen in on users' phone calls, sources have told The New York Times.

Project Chess was set up after the company (then owned by eBay) started having discussions with the government over monitoring communications. ...

... "This is where we are with all the tech companies right now; we can't trust their denials, just as we can't trust the NSA – or the FBI – when it denies programs, capabilities, or practices."



Using encryption? That means the US spooks have you on file

Anyone who encrypts their emails or uses secure instant message services runs the risk of having their communications stored by the US National Security Agency...

... In practice, this means that using encrypted messages for security purposes may have the ironic effect of drawing the secret message to the attention of spies.

This data should really be destroyed within five years, unless they are "communications that are enciphered or reasonably believed to contain secret meaning, and sufficient duration may consist of any period of time during which encrypted material is subject to, or of use in, cryptanalysis". ...




Hope none here is anything out of the very boring 'ordinary'...

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Message 1387564 - Posted: 4 Jul 2013, 9:24:45 UTC

Big Brother is watching you (George Orwell, "1984").
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Message 1387603 - Posted: 4 Jul 2013, 13:38:47 UTC

And all your snail-mail:


Going lo-tech to avoid NSA snooping? Unlucky - they read snailmail too

... "Court challenges to mail covers have generally failed because judges have ruled that there is no reasonable expectation of privacy for information contained on the outside of a letter," the NYT reports.

"Officials in both the Bush and Obama administrations, in fact, have used the mail-cover court rulings to justify the NSA's surveillance programs, saying the electronic monitoring amounts to the same thing as a mail cover. ...



By that same argument, noone should ever expect to get prosecuted or officially persecuted for anything looked at over the internet... You are after all only looking at whatever data some remote server hands over to you. There is no physical opening of anything...


For this game, add CCTV and: All just like the TV series "Big Brother" with the politicians playing the game to see how the rats run to amuse them?...


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Message 1387667 - Posted: 4 Jul 2013, 15:39:33 UTC

Does using encryption make you a bigger target

How about just confusing the buggers? Hide in plain sight! Or everyone just send standard e-mails but encrypt them... P 'em off for a few months.
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Message 1388860 - Posted: 8 Jul 2013, 14:48:57 UTC

Not only the spooks?


Run for your (private) lives! Facebook's creepy Graph Search is upon us

... everyone who uses the US English website version of Facebook would be able to access Graph Search, which allows people to look up information about friends of friends. The end goal is ultimately to find out what punters are really interested in, lob well-placed adverts at them...

... It commands a global userbase database containing private and public details about the lives of 1.1 billion people.

Graph Search works by knitting together different parts of the network that have been publicly shared by individuals to help users build up creepy profiles about others on the site. ...

... concerns have been raised about the function. In February, Facebook tried to allay fears about perverts using Graph Search to prey on teenagers on the network, saying that controls would be in place to protect young people. ...



What of Google and the plethora of other web advertisers?...

All a question of 'trust' and exploitation?


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Message 1388880 - Posted: 8 Jul 2013, 15:58:47 UTC - in response to Message 1388865.  

Facebook is for garrulous teenagers, and Twitter is for showbiz luvvies.

And for the spreading of political messages and advertising. Anyone who fails to utilize them for such is destined to failure.

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Message 1388889 - Posted: 8 Jul 2013, 16:14:47 UTC - in response to Message 1388882.  

That is what "they" want you to believe.

Ask McCain!

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Message 1388895 - Posted: 8 Jul 2013, 16:24:19 UTC - in response to Message 1388893.  

I did, but wasn't impressed.



Sorry, but people that feel that they have to use social networking sites to keep in touch with their friends, are bereft in social niceties in my opinion.

That is society today.

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