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ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 21092 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
That is society today. Nope. That is today's coercive Marketing. Not all of society follows that... However, how much or how little of the present upcoming generation can learn to break away from the Marketing traps? All a part of our little world... Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
Bernie Vine Send message Joined: 26 May 99 Posts: 9957 Credit: 103,452,613 RAC: 328 |
Facebook is for garrulous teenagers, and Twitter is for showbiz luvvies. End of story. Well I joined Facebook some years ago I am not a great user but I know lots of people who do use it and probably the youngest is mid twenties and the oldest mid seventies. There are a LOT of people from my generation and below using it everyday. In fact "garrulous teenagers" moved on years ago. My sister uses it to try and re-home rescue dogs, my artist friend uses it to publicise her artwork and her teaching. If you looked you would be surprised at the number of people you know who use it regularly. I can think of several on these very forums and none are "garrulous teenagers" If I were one of them I might just be insulted. Somehow I suspect https://www.facebook.com/eric.korpela?fref=ts might or might not be pleased to be called a "garrulous teenager" PS If any of you think anything said or done on the internet is private think again. Everything can be recorded and almost certainly is. The only thing on our side is the sheer amount of data collected will need really fast computers to analyse it all, but don't worry that wont take too long. |
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19354 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
It is not just the phone records, I was going to bring up the "cloud" issue earlier, but couldn't get a good link. But now the Guardian has this, Revealed: how Microsoft handed the NSA access to encrypted messages • Secret files show scale of Silicon Valley co-operation on Prism The documents show that: |
James Sotherden Send message Joined: 16 May 99 Posts: 10436 Credit: 110,373,059 RAC: 54 |
It is just not one company who kissed the CIA's butt. Its every company out there who deals with E-mail,video, skype or anthing to do with online communication. Id like to see if any money changed hands to sweeten the pot for spying on US. [/quote] Old James |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30969 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
It is just not one company who kissed the CIA's butt. Its every company out there who deals with E-mail,video, skype or anthing to do with online communication. Without a doubt, yes. If you aren't aware as a 3rd party when you have to comply with a court order the person asking for the information has to pay for you to pull the information. You really didn't think the bottom lines of these companies are getting smaller because the government wants data, did you? |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30969 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
http://www.law.berkeley.edu/15551.htm wrote: The massive scale of domestic surveillance conducted by the National Security Administration (NSA) has stunned many Americans, but Berkeley Law’s Chris Hoofnagle saw it coming. Nearly a decade ago, the lecturer in residence warned of increasingly broad and unchecked monitoring. |
kittyman Send message Joined: 9 Jul 00 Posts: 51477 Credit: 1,018,363,574 RAC: 1,004 |
I dunno. We are all trackable, if the NSA or any other secretive government branch wants to do so. I don't do any social networking. Freakbook, TWITter, or Skamp. I use my cell phone about once a day to call Lori on my lunch break. Of course, every post I make here is probably monitored, due to the outrageous nature of the truths I tell at times. And a few outrageous tall tales at others. I ain't no Snowdon, to be sure, but as the saying goes......... Just because you're not paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to get ya. "Time is simply the mechanism that keeps everything from happening all at once." |
tullio Send message Joined: 9 Apr 04 Posts: 8797 Credit: 2,930,782 RAC: 1 |
These arguments are treated in the last issue of Berkeley Online newsletter I am getting since making a small donation to SETI@home. Tullio |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30969 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
As far as I'm concerned my government can monitor all my emails, phone calls, Skype, internet use as much as they like, they wont find anything of any interest to them, and will get very bored quite soon. But, if that level of surveillance is applied to everyone else as well, and it catches some terrorists that were about to set off a bomb, then I'm happy with that. Of course using common sense, there must be many cases where the security services do foil such plans, but of course we will never know about that, because making it public would give the terrorists knowledge of how effective and advanced the surveillance was. It obviously bothers you guys in the Sates far more than it does us over here, and I'm quite sure our GCHQ are doing no different than your NSA. As Edward Snowden and Bradley Manning have shown there is always some human weak link in the chain. So are you quite happy with having all of you personal conversations passed around on the web complete with your name, address and phone numbers, never mind your bank details? If the data is collected it will be leaked. |
tullio Send message Joined: 9 Apr 04 Posts: 8797 Credit: 2,930,782 RAC: 1 |
Data is collected by private companies, for commercial reasons. Then Governments ask for and obtain a permission to mine that data. Read the Berkeley Online newsletter. Tullio |
bobby Send message Joined: 22 Mar 02 Posts: 2866 Credit: 17,789,109 RAC: 3 |
As far as I'm concerned my government can monitor all my emails, phone calls, Skype, internet use as much as they like, they wont find anything of any interest to them, and will get very bored quite soon. But, if that level of surveillance is applied to everyone else as well, and it catches some terrorists that were about to set off a bomb, then I'm happy with that. Of course using common sense, there must be many cases where the security services do foil such plans, but of course we will never know about that, because making it public would give the terrorists knowledge of how effective and advanced the surveillance was. It obviously bothers you guys in the Sates far more than it does us over here, and I'm quite sure our GCHQ are doing no different than your NSA. Might be obvious, you do not speak on behalf of all British citizens, there are some that are not so cavalier about their personal privacy. Quite how you reach the "common sense" conclusion that there must be many cases of terrorists being foiled by security services is beyond me. If one never knows about them, surely all numbers are conjecture? I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ... |
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musicplayer Send message Joined: 17 May 10 Posts: 2442 Credit: 926,046 RAC: 0 |
Yes, my friend. An open Government that is. But remember that the principle behind the use of encryption is not only about clandestine operations, but also is about privacy and secrecy (aka love letters...). There you have it in a summary. |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30969 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
Data is collected by private companies, for commercial reasons. Then Governments ask for and obtain a permission to mine that data. Read the Berkeley Online newsletter. Quite, but it doesn't matter who the leaker works for does it? What matters is private data is made public. |
James Sotherden Send message Joined: 16 May 99 Posts: 10436 Credit: 110,373,059 RAC: 54 |
As far as I'm concerned my government can monitor all my emails, phone calls, Skype, internet use as much as they like, they wont find anything of any interest to them, and will get very bored quite soon. But, if that level of surveillance is applied to everyone else as well, and it catches some terrorists that were about to set off a bomb, then I'm happy with that. Of course using common sense, there must be many cases where the security services do foil such plans, but of course we will never know about that, because making it public would give the terrorists knowledge of how effective and advanced the surveillance was. It obviously bothers you guys in the Sates far more than it does us over here, and I'm quite sure our GCHQ are doing no different than your NSA. Good point Gary. What if some dweeb has a issue with his boss and decides to release all the phone records of an alleged affair. We all now that any form of communication can be doctored to say what ever you want it to say out of context. To me it dose not matter that I have nothing to hide. I still dont want anyone reading my any kind of mail. If im under suspect than get a damn warrant to read it. [/quote] Old James |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30969 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
As far as I'm concerned my government can monitor all my emails, phone calls, Skype, internet use as much as they like, they wont find anything of any interest to them, and will get very bored quite soon. But, if that level of surveillance is applied to everyone else as well, and it catches some terrorists that were about to set off a bomb, then I'm happy with that. Of course using common sense, there must be many cases where the security services do foil such plans, but of course we will never know about that, because making it public would give the terrorists knowledge of how effective and advanced the surveillance was. It obviously bothers you guys in the Sates far more than it does us over here, and I'm quite sure our GCHQ are doing no different than your NSA. As it looks like they and everyone else is collecting data, we can limit the damage when it leaks by limiting the length they are allowed to have the data and how many copies of it are allowed to exist. Six month should be adequate to stop any immanent threats that can be discovered by dragnets. Anything longer term go get a specific warrant and actually listen to the stuff and read the e-mails and not get get the envelope data. |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30969 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
Seeing as the people here making a fuss about it are all Americans concerned about their NSA, there seems little point in my contributing to this any more. I think you missed the news item where you security services were sharing data with the NSA. |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30969 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
I think you missed the news item where you security services were sharing data with the NSA. In the USA the NSA isn't doing the monitoring, it has contracted that out to private companies! |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 21092 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
And so it continues ad-nausium: US secret court renews government telephone snooping The US's surveillance court has okayed the government's continued bulk interception and collection of telephony metadata. ... With a fun Red-necks twist: US town mulls bounty on spy drones, English-speaking gunman only In back-woods America the government isn't too popular, but the tiny town of Deer Trail, Colorado (population 546 – deer not included) may be taking this sentiment to extremes with a proposal to open an official hunting season on government drones. "We do not want drones in town," said the proposed ordinance's author David Steel told ABC7. "They fly in town, they get shot down."... Only in the USA? It is what we allow it to be, Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
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