A Young Angry American White Guy is The Leaker.

Love it when it is Not An Old American White Guy.

Sweetness

Bound For IT IT There There SomeWhere Where

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May we All have a METAMORPHOSIS. REASON. GOoD JUDGEMENT and LOVE and ORDER!!!!!

NSA contractor who leaked details of surveillance scheme reveals himself: The 29-year-old hiding out in Hong Kong after he stole secret data and fled U.S.

Edward Snowden, a 29-year-old former CIA technical assistant, says he passed the classified information to The Guardian
The documents blew open a number of intense NSA surveillance operations and caused a firestorm over the government's actions
Snowden, a high school drop-out, says he leaked information because he doesn't 'want to live in a society that does these sort of things'
Comes after National Intelligence director James R Clapper defended the surveillance programs for keeping America safe
NSA filed criminal report with Justice Dept. in relation to leaks to The Guardian and The Washington Post



Edward Snowden, a 29-year-old former CIA technical assistant, says he passed the classified information that blew open a number of intense surveillance operations, to the media because he doesn't 'want to live in a society that does these sort of things.' Snowden, who now works for Booz Allen Hamilton, a defense contractor for the National Security Agency, caused a firestorm after he leaked the sensitive documents to The Guardian over several days of interviews.

I don't know which scenario I fear more. A terrorist organization planting a bomb that kills and maimes thousands of innocent people or governments who in the name of safety for the masses record as much personal data as they can collect on all of us.

I just try to push to the back of my mind those fears and live my life the best I can.

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Bob DeWoody

My motto: Never do today what you can put off until tomorrow as it may not be required. This no longer applies in light of current events.

I still maintain, that in this terrorist riddled world of ours in the early 21C, I would rather have National Security at least trying to keep tabs on the bad guys. If that means my details also get sifted, then I will reluctantly accept that as the price to be paid for hopefully a safer world to live in. Those that disagree can continue with their angst and paranoia, and getting a crick in their neck from constantly looking over their shoulder.

Now that is an excellent statement. However, with that amount of data available, there has to be an extremely tight oversight as to who, how & why the data is made available. It's no good just relying on the courts to grant access, I'm talking about the departments that are maintaining that data.

Examples: - Several years ago, BA employees were logging the details of passengers going on holidays & passing the details to colleagues in crime - results, passengers return home to find their homes burgled.

Civil Service losing disks with over 25,000 files of Child support info
M.o.D staff losing/leaving laptops in taxis/trains
DVLA losing (which still annoys me to this day) hard drives sent to the States (WTF for?)

& there has been many similar cases....so Catch 22

Which came first?

The chicken or the Egg?

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Fair Dinkum cobber, however, I point you to this: -

Message 1379172

No matter how any nation secures its intelligence, they all have the same common weakness...... see above link.

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No amount of pledges to be good works. No amount of criminal penalties will stop it. The thing that can work is to prevent anyone who handles the data from being able to make a copy of the data. And anyone includes the highest mucky muck all the way down to the janitor. No way to attach anything to those computers. No cameras in the building. No internet to the building. No photocopiers in the building. No printers in the building. Prevent any avenue for wholesale copying of the data. Strip search to get in or out. This is the spook business, you trust no one.

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Wiki is not very good as a source Chris. Wiki is frequently riddled with errors and outdated information.

I accept that Gary, it was the best I could find in the time available. But the link you gave was rather outdated ....

Vol. 85, No. 2, Autumn, 1994

Wiki was that out of date ... wow

I still maintain, that in this terrorist riddled world of ours in the early 21C, I would rather have National Security at least trying to keep tabs on the bad guys. If that means my details also get sifted, then I will reluctantly accept that as the price to be paid for hopefully a safer world to live in. Those that disagree can continue with their angst and paranoia, and getting a crick in their neck from constantly looking over their shoulder.

So sorry mate. So sorry you have to have someone else look over your shoulder for you. That you have to carry papers all the time. That you have to be strip searched all the time. That you have to be watched every moment. That the queen has to go through your dirty laundry. To allow some terrorist to have that control over you, my god man, why do you want a slaves life? Obviously the terrorist have beaten you; you might as well study the Koran. Me, I don't care. I refuse to live the life of a coward. I'm not going to do one damn thing different. The terrorists are not going to control me in any way. If they finally do enough to get me mad, then they won't have their world. I'm not going to permit survivors. And you should be happy there are people like me in the world. Otherwise the rest of you can go back to sleeping inside the walls of the city controlled by the robber baron in your dark ages life.

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Spot on! however, will that data be acted upon?

After what happened here just under an hour ago, I don't think so. For past several months, there has been a new resident in the next block of flats who has been giving everyone sleepless nights with his druggie music. It has been constantly reported with nothing done.

Until now as they will have to act. All residents of both blocks were loudly disturbed by knocking on doors. On opening door, there stood 3 Armed police officers looking for the bugger as he was seen running amok between both blocks as well as the campus entrance with a machete - total there were six vehicles involved with shedloads of coppers.

& just in case Sir Humphrey butts in about believability , Taffy, just contact Cambridgeshire Constabulary Control Room about an armed response unit attending Dogsthorpe, Peterborough!

The authorities were informed as well as the police with nothing done - so it looks like someone has to be injured before any action is taken, in which case, why all that data required in the 1st place - I mean police often call & rely on the publics help, but when we need it?

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Wiki was that out of date ... wow

Gary.......

It was that link of yours that you posted from the NW University School of Law!

Saying the law was changed and Wiki still had the old law as fact.

So sorry mate ......

rant rant

you can go back to sleeping inside the walls of the city controlled by the robber baron in your dark ages life.

I don't know what you are on, but I'd take it back to the pharmacy if I was you, and say you have an allergic reaction.

You are letting fear control and run your life. You want to run to mommy, hide under her skirt and have her protect you. Time to leave the nest man. There is a life out there waiting for you to seize. It can be a wild ride but it will be fun.

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All you have to do in the USA to get top secret access is get elected to congress. My older brother, while a G2 officer in the Navy serving in the DC area, saw on numerous occasions congressmen or their aides walking around the Capital with folders stamped Top Secret under their arms.

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Bob DeWoody

My motto: Never do today what you can put off until tomorrow as it may not be required. This no longer applies in light of current events.

Acquiescence by Ego, Pride, Vanity, Complacence or Trust and You Share in The Bloodletting of a Successful Plot and the Victory of a Successful Thwarting.

You thus Become Killer and Hero.

So, Be Proud of Past Accomplishments of Government and Present Claims, and Be No Better than The Plotter/Killer.

The Man In Hong Kong is A Hero. And I Laugh at any Effort to Get Him Home. So Will China.

Bound For IT IT There There SomeWhere Where?

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May we All have a METAMORPHOSIS. REASON. GOoD JUDGEMENT and LOVE and ORDER!!!!!

Acquiescence by Ego, Pride, Vanity, Complacence or Trust and You Share in The Bloodletting of a Successful Plot and the Victory of a Successful Thwarting.

You thus Become Killer and Hero.

So, Be Proud of Past Accomplishments of Government and Present Claims, and Be No Better than The Plotter/Killer.

The Man In Hong Kong is A Hero. And I Laugh at any Effort to Get Him Home. So Will China.

Bound For IT IT There There SomeWhere Where?

I am shocked Ben there I was thinking you will defend your country against any criticism . I do have to ask what is the dif between him and Assange ?

At least Assange has more in common with a reporter these days that this guy .

Oh yeh Assange is not American and the other guys is that's right one rule for Americans and a different one for everyone else i'm sorry I forgot about that

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Acquiescence by Ego, Pride, Vanity, Complacence or Trust and You Share in The Bloodletting of a Successful Plot and the Victory of a Successful Thwarting.

You thus Become Killer and Hero.

So, Be Proud of Past Accomplishments of Government and Present Claims, and Be No Better than The Plotter/Killer.

The Man In Hong Kong is A Hero. And I Laugh at any Effort to Get Him Home. So Will China.

Bound For IT IT There There SomeWhere Where?

I am shocked Ben there I was thinking you will defend your country against any criticism . I do have to ask what is the dif between him and Assange ?

At least Assange has more in common with a reporter these days that this guy .

Oh yeh Assange is not American and the other guys is that's right one rule for Americans and a different one for everyone else i'm sorry I forgot about that

May I ask why you are comparing Assange and Snowden?

Snowden should be compared with Ellsberg.
Assange with Neil Sheehan.

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Acquiescence by Ego, Pride, Vanity, Complacence or Trust and You Share in The Bloodletting of a Successful Plot and the Victory of a Successful Thwarting.

You thus Become Killer and Hero.

So, Be Proud of Past Accomplishments of Government and Present Claims, and Be No Better than The Plotter/Killer.

The Man In Hong Kong is A Hero. And I Laugh at any Effort to Get Him Home. So Will China.

Bound For IT IT There There SomeWhere Where?

I am shocked Ben there I was thinking you will defend your country against any criticism . I do have to ask what is the dif between him and Assange ?

At least Assange has more in common with a reporter these days that this guy .

Oh yeh Assange is not American and the other guys is that's right one rule for Americans and a different one for everyone else i'm sorry I forgot about that

Any Exposure to A Government's FINAL SOLUTION or Any Solution regarding Citizens is Applauded, Encouraged, and Trumpeted by Little 'Ole Me.

J.A. is also A Hero

Bound For IT IT There There SomeWhere Where?

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May we All have a METAMORPHOSIS. REASON. GOoD JUDGEMENT and LOVE and ORDER!!!!!

Acquiescence by Ego, Pride, Vanity, Complacence or Trust and You Share in The Bloodletting of a Successful Plot and the Victory of a Successful Thwarting.

You thus Become Killer and Hero.

So, Be Proud of Past Accomplishments of Government and Present Claims, and Be No Better than The Plotter/Killer.

The Man In Hong Kong is A Hero. And I Laugh at any Effort to Get Him Home. So Will China.

Bound For IT IT There There SomeWhere Where?

I am shocked Ben there I was thinking you will defend your country against any criticism . I do have to ask what is the dif between him and Assange ?

At least Assange has more in common with a reporter these days that this guy .

Oh yeh Assange is not American and the other guys is that's right one rule for Americans and a different one for everyone else i'm sorry I forgot about that

May I ask why you are comparing Assange and Snowden?

Snowden should be compared with Ellsberg.
Assange with Neil Sheehan.

A lot of people have said Assange should be tried as a traitor (Americans )
Your comparison is correct now I know whom you are talking about and I just wanted to point out that Assange is like the Gardian whom has broke the story and the guys whom opened his mouth is the soldier that got the info first but you seem to agree as that seems be what your comparison does no prob's, and I was just steering Ben a little sorry bro all in fun mate

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Well.......it appears that we are at a crossroads then.

Do we wish to maintain our liberty and freedoms and take the additional chances that may entail in dealing with those who would take them from us? And that means from within or without.

Or do we wish to suckle the tit and cuddle ourselves in our blankets, given to us by our government, to let them watch over us forever after and without limit?
Watching us even as we sleep, wiping our bottoms, and spanking us if we do something THEY do not deem as appropriate.

I'd much rather take my chances, being well armed, against the terrorists.

Because, and I don't remember the origin of the saying, but........

'Once you give someone else the reigns to your horse, you no longer own him."

The time has come now, friends, when we must finally decide who owns the horse.

We indeed, do have the title, but let's not give up the reigns.

Do you wish for the rest of your lives to ride, steer, or shovel?

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"Time is simply the mechanism that keeps everything from happening all at once."

Well.......it appears that we are at a crossroads then.

Do we wish to maintain our liberty and freedoms and take the additional chances that may entail in dealing with those who would take them from us? And that means from within or without.

Or do we wish to suckle the tit and cuddle ourselves in our blankets, given to us by our government, to let them watch over us forever after and without limit?
Watching us even as we sleep, wiping our bottoms, and spanking us if we do something THEY do not deem as appropriate.

I would say that your synopsis is a fair and reasonable one. The answer is neither really. There has to be a workable compromise between necessary security, whilst still keeping peoples basic freedoms. Its all very well saying my home is my castle, I have a gun, and I will protect myself from terrorists. That won't be much help when a hijacked 747 crashes on your house wiping you out.

Yes, there is a workable compromise. Actually, there are a couple of workable compromises. But they're all politically incorrect.

Yep! & look where that's taking us.......

Edit: update on the machete idiot - we've been informed by the housing association who were in contact with the police....

..it was a rolled up newspaper :)

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Edit: update on the machete idiot - we've been informed by the housing association who were in contact with the police....

..it was a rolled up newspaper :)

Has there been an arrest for the person who falsely reported a machete to the police?

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A lot of people have said Assange should be tried as a traitor (Americans )
Your comparison is correct now I know whom you are talking about and I just wanted to point out that Assange is like the Gardian whom has broke the story and the guys whom opened his mouth is the soldier that got the info first but you seem to agree as that seems be what your comparison does no prob's, and I was just steering Ben a little sorry bro all in fun mate

Assange broke no US law in relation to Wikileaks that I'm aware of.

Interesting to see that the EU wants to hang the FISA court and the NSA under EU rules for collecting data on EU citizens from US soil. Are they saying the US should be able to try Assange? Interesting double standard.

Now as to Snowden / Ellsberg, IIRC Mr. Ellsberg faced 115 years, but for tricky Dick's ego, he would likely be rotting in a cage today. So when the huge number comes out for Snowden, it will have precedent. Never mind the Rosenberg's.

Manning is a bit different. He did it while wearing the uniform. Pretty much an automatic 10X on the sentence.

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