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Message 1378123 - Posted: 7 Jun 2013, 16:37:17 UTC - in response to Message 1378112.  

'Power, corrupts and absolute power........'. Sadly, all too many people, feel that if they've done nothing wrong, that they have nothing to fear. Wrong. You have everything to fear, because those rights you thought you had, were 'over-written' by yet another piece of legislation that was 'rubber-stamped', without any regulatory body (an ideal), even being mentioned. This is digital information; a type of information that lends itself readily to 'manipulation'. Another argument is that 'It is only 'photo-shopping', with another name, so what have you to fear from that? The real Kate Moss, looks nothing like her pictures and nor does J-Lo.....thats the issue; the data is manipulated to 'fix' the 'problem' and to make it look as though it is fixed!

In the mean-time, everyone has had their lives disected and analysed, so that someone, paid by your taxes can say that they did their job....unknown by you. How come there is never greater scrutiny of what our politicians are doing and why?



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Message 1378154 - Posted: 7 Jun 2013, 17:18:33 UTC - in response to Message 1378110.  

2 things:

1) While I have nothing to hide I am concerned about the blanket authority to do this to all providers.

2) A news broadcast on the radio last night said on the radio the wiretapping was originally approved in 2007. Unknown on source. If the date was accurate it's not Obama to be blamed for the start of it. That would fall squarely on George W Bush.

Don't dare try to defend flipping Obama on this one.
Yes, we know where the origins of it are.
But GWB is not in power any more, now is he?
The one in power has control and has to take all responsibility for what goes on under his watch.
And there are many illegal, arrogant, and self serving things going on in this administration.
If Obama and his ilk thought what started under GWB was so dang bad, they could repeal those laws and scuttle those programs and cut the government branches that are responsible.
But, no......
They are just as happy as pigs in shit to continue to advance their corruption and smile like the devil when folks like you blame it on Bush.

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Message 1378164 - Posted: 7 Jun 2013, 17:27:00 UTC - in response to Message 1378112.  

I'll say it again. The judge that signed off on this has a lot of explaining to do.


The order was signed by a special court known as the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court which operates under very different rules from a typical court. Probable cause is not required. The court was created in 1978, known as FISA, and the judges are directly appointed by the President of the U.S. to hear secret evidence and to authorize wiretapping, search warrants and other clandestine efforts to monitor suspected or known spies and terrorists.

It was Judge Roger Vinson who authorized the NSA to sieze the phone records under a provision in the USA Patriot Act (passed shortly after Sept 11, 2001), section 215, known colloquially as the "library records provision" because it allowed the government to order a wide range of documents, including library records. Under that provision, the government must show that there are "reasonable grounds to believe" that the records are relevant to an investigation intended to "protect against international terrorism or clandestine intelligence activities."

Exactly what "relevant" meant has been unclear.


Every one of our elected officials on the Hill have known about this for a long time. Every one of them should be tried for withholding information from the American public about such a broadly interpreted law (that we allowed to pass) and possibly tried for treason (Dems and GOP alike) for crimes against the innocent and violating our liberties.

Every American should be outraged by this, in my not so humble opinion.
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Message 1378166 - Posted: 7 Jun 2013, 17:28:11 UTC - in response to Message 1378110.  
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A news broadcast on the radio last night said on the radio the wiretapping was originally approved in 2007. Unknown on source. If the date was accurate it's not Obama to be blamed for the start of it. That would fall squarely on George W Bush.


Obama signed an order to continue the surveillance, and his Administration has defended the surveillance of the American public as necessary. This position is very concerning to me. He is just as guilty on this as W.
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Message 1378182 - Posted: 7 Jun 2013, 17:55:16 UTC

& if one thinks its just an American problem think again!

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Message 1378184 - Posted: 7 Jun 2013, 17:58:44 UTC - in response to Message 1378166.  

Just wait. Then you'll have the combination of the CCTV surveillance we have in the UK, coupled with the snooping of the NSA.....then they'll say, 'there is a Machine.....'.



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Message 1378185 - Posted: 7 Jun 2013, 18:01:22 UTC - in response to Message 1378166.  

A news broadcast on the radio last night said on the radio the wiretapping was originally approved in 2007. Unknown on source. If the date was accurate it's not Obama to be blamed for the start of it. That would fall squarely on George W Bush.


Obama signed an order to continue the surveillance, and his Administration has defended the surveillance of the American public as necessary. This position is very concerning to me. He is just as guilty on this as W.

He signs the order every 90 days!

BTW, Bill Clinton started this with Carnivore


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Message 1378192 - Posted: 7 Jun 2013, 18:15:36 UTC - in response to Message 1378184.  

Just wait. Then you'll have the combination of the CCTV surveillance we have in the UK, coupled with the snooping of the NSA.....then they'll say, 'there is a Machine.....'.



Skynet....
We're gonna have to bring Arnie out of retirement.
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Message 1378193 - Posted: 7 Jun 2013, 18:18:12 UTC - in response to Message 1378192.  

Oh, there I was, thinking we'd all become a 'Person of Interest' and you came out with Skynet! Damn. I forgot about that possibility! Good going, Mark.



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Message 1378196 - Posted: 7 Jun 2013, 18:21:46 UTC - in response to Message 1378193.  

Darn it! Here I was accepting the fact that I'm a "major" P.O.I. & now a machine is taking over that will wipe us all out.....
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Message 1378199 - Posted: 7 Jun 2013, 18:24:42 UTC - in response to Message 1378196.  

Darn it! Here I was accepting the fact that I'm a "major" P.O.I. & now a machine is taking over that will wipe us all out.....

LOL...
And here I wuz just starting to accept the fact that I can be a major P.I.A.......
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Message 1378206 - Posted: 7 Jun 2013, 18:31:30 UTC

If nothing else, we've proved we can think what politicians will do, as opposed to should....now, as to the computing power used......



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Message 1378207 - Posted: 7 Jun 2013, 18:33:58 UTC - in response to Message 1378206.  

If nothing else, we've proved we can think what politicians will do, as opposed to should....now, as to the computing power used......



Oh, they got that in hand...
Don't have a link right now, but you probably have read news about that new 'datacenter'...
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Message 1378209 - Posted: 7 Jun 2013, 18:38:54 UTC - in response to Message 1378207.  

Naw, that's the one for Luke Skywater & friends to attack, the real one is elsewhere....

...we just gotta locate it before it locates us!
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Message 1378219 - Posted: 7 Jun 2013, 18:51:01 UTC

The 'remotes' or drones exist and the huge volume of information exists. We really need to reign-in our politicians. Strictly speaking, it was the politicians, who squandered Billions, as well as The Banks - name me, one politician who paid-up, in full, for their mistake! Its a very short list, consisting of no names - none of them were to blame, apparently. Instead, they choose to further put us under their yoke....we, the people. Yes, that last sentence was designed to provoke...as it should do. Without the 'people' behind them, they are the nothings, that they should be.



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Message 1378262 - Posted: 7 Jun 2013, 20:11:55 UTC

With JOhn Twelve Hawks Living Off The Grid, can He Know About This?

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Message 1378268 - Posted: 7 Jun 2013, 20:26:56 UTC - in response to Message 1377325.  

When the second plane hit the WTC tower, I turned to my wife and said nothing will ever be the same again. You could see this coming. These people have altered our cherished way of life.
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Message 1378303 - Posted: 7 Jun 2013, 22:22:22 UTC - in response to Message 1378268.  

When the second plane hit the WTC tower, I turned to my wife and said nothing will ever be the same again. You could see this coming. These people have altered our cherished way of life.

Far too many cowards running to nanny, save me, save me, and not enough people to say FU and keep on keeping on.

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Message 1378313 - Posted: 7 Jun 2013, 22:49:33 UTC - in response to Message 1378206.  

If nothing else, we've proved we can think what politicians will do, as opposed to should....now, as to the computing power used......

I wonder about that myself.
In the list of Top 500 Supercomputers there's no mention of the NSA, CIA, or Homeland security with even 1 Supercomputer.
The DOE and NNSA seem to have their fair share, but are they just a front?
Every time a new Supercomputer gets built are there 1,2,3 clones built in secret behind a mountain of paperwork?
The Utah Data Center is a high visibility project that will store data.
There's no mention of how the data will be mined.
For data to be useful and relevant real time processing needs to occur.
Are we all just mushrooms "kept in the dark and fed manure"?
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Message 1378369 - Posted: 8 Jun 2013, 0:39:51 UTC - in response to Message 1378268.  

When the second plane hit the WTC tower, I turned to my wife and said nothing will ever be the same again. You could see this coming. These people have altered our cherished way of life.


My wife and I said the the same thing.


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