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Message 1387193 - Posted: 3 Jul 2013, 15:25:01 UTC - in response to Message 1387169.  

Many or most? Statistics to sustain this?


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Message 1387221 - Posted: 3 Jul 2013, 16:21:12 UTC - in response to Message 1387211.  

No problem -- you English can be so sloppy with language <giggle>
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Message 1388013 - Posted: 5 Jul 2013, 15:39:59 UTC - in response to Message 1387752.  

Uh OH!

She's getting ready to spill the beans!

http://www.politico.com/story/2013/07/lois-lerner-irs-testimony-immunity-93684.html

And her lawyer is pretty cocksure of himself, eh?


“If the court finds that she didn’t waive, then it’s over, and if the court finds that she did and orders her to testify, then she goes to testify,” Taylor said, later, adding that there is “no danger under any circumstances of her going to jail.”



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Message 1388025 - Posted: 5 Jul 2013, 16:22:45 UTC

Even more amusing is NPR reporting that they've talked to numerous Liberal politcal groups that took up to 3 years to get their status approved.

So, we are looking once again at the teabaggers demanding to be first in line again. Oh and cut the IRS budget, too. So it will take even longer to get approval. I'm thinking that there are way to many well funded crybaby Teabaggers out there with nothing better to do than complain about gov't spending all the while collecting their Social Security check.

Quite honestly this is just another scandal created to get media time by the nutbag... er teabaggers


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Message 1388055 - Posted: 5 Jul 2013, 18:26:40 UTC - in response to Message 1388027.  

with nothing better to do than complain about gov't spending


Well if debt doesn't matter, why is there an income tax?



ummmm thats a bit off kilter there Guy. First you claim you don't read what I say then quote me and go off on something less than a tagent because at least a tangent has a connection to what was previously stated.

I didn't mention debt, I mentioned spending. Inferring debt from spending is off to say the least. The problem we have is grossly undertaxed wealthy people. Do we really need to go back through the quotes and trivia of how little they are actually taxes compared to their secretaries?

The main thing Neocons and Teabaggers forget is that in the last 40 years or so the US population has just about tripled. With that expansion is new roads, technology and inflation among all the other facets that cause things to cost more and cost the gov't more to operate.

Our big problem with debt really started with Reagan when he was convinced and somehow convinced a majority of Congress and the voting public that massive debt is ok as long as its trickle down economics debt. That the tax breaks and deregulation would somehow magically filter down to the common people. It did and we owe a crap load of money. As a famous comedian once stated. We owe debt to Reagan one we could never pay back. And he wasn't kidding.

As I've stated before they could take an extra 10-15% of my earnings if they'd pay it down. Unfortunately, the wealthy just don't feel that need.


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Message 1388067 - Posted: 5 Jul 2013, 19:09:07 UTC - in response to Message 1388055.  

I think the biggest problem we have is in defining the wealthy.

Is it by balance sheet?

It is by P&L?

What number?

Same for the other classes. uber, wealthy, upper-middle, middle, lower-middle, working poor, destitute.

Just how many classes are there?

I think you will find those that think of themselves as uber and wealthy don't have much issue with higher taxes. The ones who think of themselves as upper-middle and middle have issues and are very vocal about it.

I think the numbers people use to describe their situation are going to be very different than the numbers they use to describe others situations.

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Message 1388124 - Posted: 5 Jul 2013, 21:12:51 UTC - in response to Message 1388067.  
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Interesting point regarding wealth, wealth definitions, and wealth perceptions.

You can skip the front end ad after a few seconds.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0ehzfQ4hAQ
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Message 1388126 - Posted: 5 Jul 2013, 21:15:06 UTC - in response to Message 1388063.  
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It's easier to dictate cutting spending than to dictate raising taxes. So why doesn't he do it?

(And Burma doesn't pay U.S. income tax.)

only when those cut in spending affect the poor or the raising affecting the upper class.

HINT HINT: Deleware doesn't have a sales tax. but does rely on Income tax. do we really want to have a discussion on how a sales tax is regressive and a progressive income tax is actually quite fair to all. Do we?

and who exactly is "he"? I recall the separation of powers gives Congress the power to levy taxes etc. So, why doesn't boehner advocate higher taxes? because his wealthy friends would stop paying for his reelection campaigns. That and the majority of goose stepping Neocons in the House refuse, enmasse,to discuss raising taxes.


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Message 1388137 - Posted: 5 Jul 2013, 21:40:59 UTC

The problem we have is grossly undertaxed wealthy people. Do we really need to go back through the quotes and trivia of how little they are actually taxes compared to their secretaries?


Richie Rich Pays Seven Figures +++ to The EyeIsn'tUS and Seven Figures Plus to Charities Per Anum and Secretary pays 3 Figures and 0 Figures, Respectively.

Richie Rich Pays WAY OVER His/Her Fair Share and Secretary should Pay Richie Rich for using The Roads to get to and from work so She/He can pay their Piddlin' amounts.

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Message 1388143 - Posted: 5 Jul 2013, 22:46:25 UTC - in response to Message 1388124.  

Interesting point regarding wealth, wealth definitions, and wealth perceptions.

You can skip the front end ad after a few seconds.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0ehzfQ4hAQ

Ah, the myth of paper wealth. If they ever had to liquidate ... especially together ...

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Message 1388153 - Posted: 5 Jul 2013, 23:11:09 UTC - in response to Message 1388143.  

Gary, if folks knew how relatively wealthy they are not, then they might respond to wealth distribution issues just a bit differently than they do.

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Message 1388154 - Posted: 5 Jul 2013, 23:11:55 UTC - in response to Message 1388124.  

Thanks for the video Barry, I'll go take some blood pressure medication now. And why people worship Reagan when the policies he started created those results befuddles me.
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Message 1388155 - Posted: 5 Jul 2013, 23:13:51 UTC - in response to Message 1388153.  

Gary, if folks knew how relatively wealthy they are not, then they might respond to wealth distribution issues just a bit differently than they do.


They might also propose numbers for the cutoffs that more properly match the distribution as it exists.

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Message 1388177 - Posted: 6 Jul 2013, 0:28:23 UTC - in response to Message 1388163.  

Guy, take a couple of aspirin and a couple of double shots and sleep on it.

If you had said Morsi ...

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Message 1388242 - Posted: 6 Jul 2013, 5:31:07 UTC - in response to Message 1388155.  

Indeed, they might also propose rates for various ranges that might address that distribution. (I see it as a maldistribution, I realize many for various reasons do not).

I'd note that before the Reagan revolution the distribution of wealth (and compensation) was quite a bit different.


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