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Message 1387301 - Posted: 3 Jul 2013, 18:12:00 UTC - in response to Message 1387298.  


I'm thinking with the network bandwidth we have now, and no end in sight for the serverside limits, they could probably tweak the AP/MB ratio of work being split & pump out more AP these days.

If I am not mistaken, each dataset splits into a finite number of MB WUs as well as a finite number of AP WUs.
If the AP work is crunched and returned faster than the MB work is, that simply leaves the MB work remaining that has to be done before more datasets are loaded and split.

I don't think there is any way of making more AP work out of the data than there already is.
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Message 1387411 - Posted: 3 Jul 2013, 21:05:12 UTC - in response to Message 1387054.  

look at the color chart channel in progress so it is not being split at this moment

Exactly. There are no dark green "in progress" bands on that file, and have not been since about Wednesday last week. There was one when it was stuck earlier. That's why I think Eric or Matt "blocked" that file from being split.

And don't have any idea if one splitter only works on one dataset at a time by itself.

I have seen as many as 9 channels "in progress" on MB, so at least some of the splitters can do 2 channels at once.

I've seen up to 16 or so reported in the count, but manually counting the number of channels marked with the dark green block generally matches the number of splitters with Status = "Running". IOW, the count for "channels in progress:" has sometimes exceeded the other two indications of what's being done. My guess has always been that completion of a channel merely failed to reduce the count under some circumstances.

A splitter process can only work on one channel at a time. Although it has become conventional to call the work "multibeam", WUs have strictly been single beam.
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Message 1387436 - Posted: 3 Jul 2013, 22:53:20 UTC - in response to Message 1387283.  

APs, them APs, where oh where are they?

They are on tapes that are yet to be loaded into the splitters. We are all processing the MB work units as fast as we can
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Message 1387461 - Posted: 4 Jul 2013, 0:06:08 UTC - in response to Message 1387283.  

APs, them APs, where oh where are they? There haven't been any fresh APs being split for days now, and the few resends just isn't enough. I'm getting seriously low on APs now, and since AP is all I run, my computers will be idle soon, if there aren't any AP files added to the splitters very soon...

Panic, serious panic ahead.


Sten, I'm afraid it looks like you are going to run dry and this may the norm going forward. The new world order appears to be that every one is jumping on AP when they are available in order to bolster their RAC. It's a shame that the credits for v7 MB are so low in comparison otherwise this wouldn't be happening and I can't see a fix for the v7 credit issue coming any time soon.

Good luck though and hope you make it through to the next tape.

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Message 1387513 - Posted: 4 Jul 2013, 6:18:59 UTC

AT LAST 20jn12ac IS BEING SPLIT NOW ...SO IT SHOULD END THAT PROBLEM UNLESS IT GET STUCK...????????
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Message 1387525 - Posted: 4 Jul 2013, 7:00:43 UTC - in response to Message 1387461.  

APs, them APs, where oh where are they? There haven't been any fresh APs being split for days now, and the few resends just isn't enough. I'm getting seriously low on APs now, and since AP is all I run, my computers will be idle soon, if there aren't any AP files added to the splitters very soon...

Panic, serious panic ahead.


Sten, I'm afraid it looks like you are going to run dry and this may the norm going forward. The new world order appears to be that every one is jumping on AP when they are available in order to bolster their RAC. It's a shame that the credits for v7 MB are so low in comparison otherwise this wouldn't be happening and I can't see a fix for the v7 credit issue coming any time soon.

Good luck though and hope you make it through to the next tape.

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Only the credit hounds are jumping on the AP band wagon. I for one have been doing every work unit Seti has sent my way since 99. And that includes VLARs when they were sent to GPU's.


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Message 1387554 - Posted: 4 Jul 2013, 8:28:18 UTC - in response to Message 1387525.  
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Only the credit hounds are jumping on the AP band wagon. I for one have been doing every work unit Seti has sent my way since 99.

Yes a lot of people are making a dive for that limited resource (and a lot of Radeons out their are just trashing them atm, some bad science happening there), but I remember the same thing happening when CreditNew was 1st introduced though eventually that V6 MB work caught back up and slowly the credits being granted for V7 are slowly rising (plus someone has to do them).

And that includes VLARs when they were sent to GPU's.

As to the VLARs sent to CUDA, that's best left to user's choice, plus you have to remember that not everyone runs 8 core CPU's running only 1 video card. Some of us run 2 or 3 cards with half those cores and at least running 2 monitors (if not more, depending on the user's needs).
To you they may not be a problem, but to others it's another story. And I have to ask, what do with those rigs of yours?
Both of mine get used for doing a lot of art, audio and video work plus they both run dual monitors which are needed to see all that I need to see to do that work, they just do not like VLAR's being thrown at them.

Sorry but you did get me started. ;-)

[Edit]plus I've had a few lagers now :-D[/Edit]

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Message 1387561 - Posted: 4 Jul 2013, 8:57:15 UTC - in response to Message 1387554.  

Only the credit hounds are jumping on the AP band wagon. I for one have been doing every work unit Seti has sent my way since 99.

Yes a lot of people are making a dive for that limited resource (and a lot of Radeons out their are just trashing them atm, some bad science happening there), but I remember the same thing happening when CreditNew was 1st introduced though eventually that V6 MB work caught back up and slowly the credits being granted for V7 are slowly rising (plus someone has to do them).

And that includes VLARs when they were sent to GPU's.

As to the VLARs sent to CUDA, that's best left to user's choice, plus you have to remember that not everyone runs 8 core CPU's running only 1 video card. Some of us run 2 or 3 cards with half those cores and at least running 2 monitors (if not more, depending on the user's needs).
To you they may not be a problem, but to others it's another story. And I have to ask, what do with those rigs of yours?
Both of mine get used for doing a lot of art, audio and video work plus they both run dual monitors which are needed to see all that I need to see to do that work, they just do not like VLAR's being thrown at them.

Sorry but you did get me started. ;-)

Cheers.
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Both my I7 3770'S are crunchers untill the grandkids are here. then they get used for games and facebook crap, and surfing the web. My puny I7 920 is my dailey driver and family picture editor, movie watcher and cruncher. And it has been since I put it online. And yes it did run jerky sometimes when I was running VLARS, But i still cruncehed them. I didnt cherry pick what I wanted to run. And I still dont.

You want to run two monitors and two cards thats your choice. I choose not to. So Im at fault because your RAC took a dive? My 920 lost over 50% RAC on the switch over. BIG FLYING DEAL. Its staring to come back up like the guys who know what they are talking about said it would.
Looking at my valids im seeing quite a few that are getting 100 credits per work unit. JUST like the guys who know what they are talking about, said would happen.

I built my I7 3770's so I could use them as daily drivers. I bought my I7 920 years ago with that same idea. I have not regretted my choices to this day.
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Message 1387568 - Posted: 4 Jul 2013, 9:35:17 UTC - in response to Message 1387561.  

That's just the point and this has nothing to do with RAC's, everyone is in the same boat, it's about being patient with the credits as they should come back up (maybe around Xmas and I prefer to do MB work anyway), but you must keep in mind that not everyone uses their PC's like you do and what didn't effect yours certainly did effected a lot more (remember I back it as an option if you want it).

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Message 1387607 - Posted: 4 Jul 2013, 13:54:49 UTC

I see there were super shorts around.
Task 3052095528:

Created	        26 Jun 2013, 9:47:01 UTC
Sent	        26 Jun 2013, 9:47:01 UTC
Report deadline	26 Jun 2013, 9:56:14 UTC


Hope those are all purged from the system. :)
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Message 1387621 - Posted: 4 Jul 2013, 14:18:48 UTC - in response to Message 1387513.  
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AT LAST 20jn12ac IS BEING SPLIT NOW ...SO IT SHOULD END THAT PROBLEM UNLESS IT GET STUCK...????????

Oh, crap, so it is. I was so hoping they had blocked it, but it is once again "in progress". And 20jn12ad is up next - hope they don't both get stuck, that will REALLY send some folks into Panic Mode.......
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Message 1387733 - Posted: 4 Jul 2013, 18:01:14 UTC - in response to Message 1387621.  


So, has a tape become stuck again?
Splitter output has dropped off once again.
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Message 1387764 - Posted: 4 Jul 2013, 18:56:24 UTC - in response to Message 1387283.  

I had to shutdown 64 machines and aborted their caches of APs so you should have gotten some re-sends yesterday.
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Message 1387772 - Posted: 4 Jul 2013, 19:20:19 UTC

Grant - 20jn12ac is being "split", or rather staggering along holding a splitter captive.
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Message 1387854 - Posted: 5 Jul 2013, 1:28:15 UTC

AP's are finally being split and I haven't been able to grab any.
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Message 1387872 - Posted: 5 Jul 2013, 3:50:34 UTC

EARLY THIS MORNING THERE WAS ONLY ONE CHANEL TO DO ON 20jn12ac 50.20 GB (14)
SINCE THEN NOTING HAVE MOVE SO IT IS STUCK AGAIN .....THEY WIL HAVE TO REMOVE IT TOMORROW OR IT WILL USE ONE SPLITTER THAT WILLDO NOTHING FOR THE WEEKEND.
IF SOMEONE CAN ADVISE THE RIGHT PERSON TO FIX THE PROBLEM IT WOULD BE PERFECT.
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Message 1387874 - Posted: 5 Jul 2013, 3:58:30 UTC - in response to Message 1387872.  

Your keyboard is stuck on all Caps.
However, if your computer won't let you type anything but upper case letters, you need to figure out what's going on. ;)
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Message 1387876 - Posted: 5 Jul 2013, 4:14:24 UTC - in response to Message 1387874.  
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at least i have got your attention......analyse this....
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Message 1387879 - Posted: 5 Jul 2013, 4:22:33 UTC - in response to Message 1387876.  

touché
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Message 1387936 - Posted: 5 Jul 2013, 7:51:41 UTC - in response to Message 1387876.  

at least i have got your attention

Yep.
People that shout go straight to my ignore list.
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