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Message 1373363 - Posted: 30 May 2013, 8:41:32 UTC - in response to Message 1373200.  
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Probabily an "stupid" question, what i need to do to start crunching V7, i´m running CPU (Intel)/GPU x41zc apps. Anyone have a simple receipt? Thanks.


My recommendation (Subject to change after I try it) would be:
- Set No New tasks
- Wait until tasks all complete, upload & report
- delete app_info.xml from the project directory
- reset the project
- Allow New tasks

Extra notes: Probably need to check web options too in there somewhere [OK :)]. I'd try let the server decide amongst the compatible versions over some time with one instance per GPU (underutilised due to memory intensive Autocorrelations) then worry about multi instances after things settle in. You'd likely want either newer Recommended Boinc for that, or wait for installer for older Boinc clients to run with app_info (anonymous platform)


This works just fine as I got a load of stock CUDA42 work, I did have to make a few changes so I could run them full out instead of normal speed.

Just tried it myself- All of the files i need to process the work go into download backoff as soon as i try to download them.


EDIT- and unlike msatler, not a single bit is downloading no matter how many times i hit Retry.
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Message 1373364 - Posted: 30 May 2013, 8:43:23 UTC - in response to Message 1373359.  

Is it possible to download the new optimized apps somewhere without the installer, i.e. just a zip file with all needed files inside, like it was possible before? Some of us don't need installers, that do more than it's actually needed...

Sure... but only for GPU apps. CUDA on Jason's site, OpenCL on Lunatics. All as separate packs.

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Message 1373371 - Posted: 30 May 2013, 8:53:56 UTC - in response to Message 1373364.  
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Is it possible to download the new optimized apps somewhere without the installer, i.e. just a zip file with all needed files inside, like it was possible before? Some of us don't need installers, that do more than it's actually needed...

Sure... but only for GPU apps. CUDA on Jason's site, OpenCL on Lunatics. All as separate packs.

I need CPU apps, no CUDA or OpenCL capable GPUs here. I wonder why they stopped distributing the CPU apps as separate packs, that was so much better (for some of us).
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Message 1373372 - Posted: 30 May 2013, 8:56:10 UTC - in response to Message 1373364.  

I have just moved all my boxes to v7. Didn't take that long.

Curious thing is:
the first box is dual GTX580s and it received v7 cuda42 WUs, later a few 32s and then some 50s;
the second box is dual GTX295s and it received v7 cuda50 WUs, and later on 5 cuda22s;
the third box is dual GTX580s and it received v7 cuda 32 WUs.

All are running 1 WU per GPU at present.

However, is there a way to stop cuda50 WUs landing on the GTX295s. They appear to be taking an age to process.



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Message 1373375 - Posted: 30 May 2013, 8:58:53 UTC - in response to Message 1373372.  

I have just moved all my boxes to v7. Didn't take that long.

How?
I've followed Jason's instructions, and everything was working till it came time to download the new stock files.

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Message 1373379 - Posted: 30 May 2013, 9:09:45 UTC - in response to Message 1373371.  

Is it possible to download the new optimized apps somewhere without the installer, i.e. just a zip file with all needed files inside, like it was possible before? Some of us don't need installers, that do more than it's actually needed...

Sure... but only for GPU apps. CUDA on Jason's site, OpenCL on Lunatics. All as separate packs.

I need CPU apps, no CUDA or OpenCL capable GPUs here. I wonder why they stopped distributing the CPU apps as separate packs, that was so much better (for some of us).

When we will have something to distribute there will be separate packs too.
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Message 1373380 - Posted: 30 May 2013, 9:10:24 UTC - in response to Message 1373364.  

Is it possible to download the new optimized apps somewhere without the installer, i.e. just a zip file with all needed files inside, like it was possible before? Some of us don't need installers, that do more than it's actually needed...

Sure... but only for GPU apps. CUDA on Jason's site, OpenCL on Lunatics. All as separate packs.


AFAIK they dont contain V7 aistubs yet, no ?



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Message 1373383 - Posted: 30 May 2013, 9:13:51 UTC - in response to Message 1373178.  

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Message 1373384 - Posted: 30 May 2013, 9:14:56 UTC - in response to Message 1373380.  

Is it possible to download the new optimized apps somewhere without the installer, i.e. just a zip file with all needed files inside, like it was possible before? Some of us don't need installers, that do more than it's actually needed...

Sure... but only for GPU apps. CUDA on Jason's site, OpenCL on Lunatics. All as separate packs.


AFAIK they dont contain V7 aistubs yet, no ?

you right. we need to change that.
For separate packs it's quite trivial task.
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Message 1373386 - Posted: 30 May 2013, 9:16:09 UTC - in response to Message 1372755.  

b) wait paitently until the installer becomes available and hope there are enough v6 resends to keep you running, ignoring the protests of boinc about you not having a v7 app in your app_info.xml

Nothing to ignore.

5/30/2013 6:53:07 AM | SETI@home | Requesting new tasks for CPU
5/30/2013 6:53:10 AM | SETI@home | No tasks sent
5/30/2013 6:53:10 AM | SETI@home | No tasks are available for SETI@home Enhanced
5/30/2013 6:53:10 AM | SETI@home | Message from server: Your app_info.xml file doesn't have a usable version of SETI@home v7.
5/30/2013 6:53:10 AM | SETI@home | Tasks for NVIDIA GPU are available, but your preferences are set to not accept them
5/30/2013 6:53:10 AM | SETI@home | Tasks for AMD/ATI GPU are available, but your preferences are set to not accept them

And that's with v7 not checked in preferences.

I've set NNT and will run the CPU cache empty before removing app_info.xml and resetting the project.
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Message 1373387 - Posted: 30 May 2013, 9:17:10 UTC - in response to Message 1373359.  

Is it possible to download the new optimized apps somewhere without the installer, i.e. just a zip file with all needed files inside, like it was possible before? Some of us don't need installers, that do more than it's actually needed...

I've got enough work on my plate without trying to put bare apps into the DL area, sorry.
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Message 1373389 - Posted: 30 May 2013, 9:22:34 UTC - in response to Message 1373386.  

I've set NNT and will run the CPU cache empty before removing app_info.xml and resetting the project.

I'd suggest you wait a bit longer- i've done that and am unable to process any work as i'm unable to download the new application files.
Instant timeout on every attempt.
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Message 1373390 - Posted: 30 May 2013, 9:24:35 UTC - in response to Message 1373375.  

I have just moved all my boxes to v7. Didn't take that long.

How?
I've followed Jason's instructions, and everything was working till it came time to download the new stock files.


The process that I went through was:
-Set to No New Tasks
-Abort all work units
-Update project
-Copy entire directory to backup directory on same disc under same parent folder
-Change name of app info file
-Exit Boinc with Stop Running Applications selected
-Relaunch Boinc
-Reset project (this will clear the project data directory of all files)
-Hit Update button (this will cause 4 .png files to download)
-Wait for the obligatory 3 minutes
-At the end of 3 minutes, v7 will start to download.

One thing to remember, make sure that v7 is selected in your seti at home preference. If not, v7 will not download (I stumbled in that area myself as I did not have v7 selected the first time I went through it).

I have not changed BOINC Manager, I am still running on 6.10.58


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Message 1373392 - Posted: 30 May 2013, 9:28:40 UTC - in response to Message 1373379.  

Is it possible to download the new optimized apps somewhere without the installer, i.e. just a zip file with all needed files inside, like it was possible before? Some of us don't need installers, that do more than it's actually needed...

Sure... but only for GPU apps. CUDA on Jason's site, OpenCL on Lunatics. All as separate packs.

I need CPU apps, no CUDA or OpenCL capable GPUs here. I wonder why they stopped distributing the CPU apps as separate packs, that was so much better (for some of us).

When we will have something to distribute there will be separate packs too.

Good. That was not the case with the "enhanced" apps, at least not recently, only installer.
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Message 1373399 - Posted: 30 May 2013, 9:38:50 UTC - in response to Message 1373390.  
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I have just moved all my boxes to v7. Didn't take that long.

How?
I've followed Jason's instructions, and everything was working till it came time to download the new stock files.


The process that I went through was:
-Set to No New Tasks
-Abort all work units
-Update project
-Copy entire directory to backup directory on same disc under same parent folder
-Change name of app info file
-Exit Boinc with Stop Running Applications selected
-Relaunch Boinc
-Reset project (this will clear the project data directory of all files)
-Hit Update button (this will cause 4 .png files to download)
-Wait for the obligatory 3 minutes
-At the end of 3 minutes, v7 will start to download.

One thing to remember, make sure that v7 is selected in your seti at home preference. If not, v7 will not download (I stumbled in that area myself as I did not have v7 selected the first time I went through it).

I have not changed BOINC Manager, I am still running on 6.10.58


*scratches head*

I did
No New Tasks
Reported existing work
Removed app_info file
Exited & restarted BOINC (inc applications)
Reset project

Manager then contected the Scheduler itself, downloaded new work, queued up the new application files to process it.
Then times out each & every time it attempts to download the files.

Checked out my Hosts file- it only had the old problem download server blocked. Undid that, rebooted the system.
Still unable to download files.
*scratches head*


EDIT- also still running 6.10.58
Once this is all over i may even upgrade the Manager. With the servers in their new house the downloads aren't the problem they once were...
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Message 1373400 - Posted: 30 May 2013, 9:44:29 UTC - in response to Message 1373389.  

I've set NNT and will run the CPU cache empty before removing app_info.xml and resetting the project.

I'd suggest you wait a bit longer- i've done that and am unable to process any work as i'm unable to download the new application files.
Instant timeout on every attempt.

Wouldn't matter, what I do. There's no work being asked as I miss v7 in app_info.xml, so the cache will run empty anyway.

Before we switched to v7 we had a shorties storm, is that one still raging in v7?
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Message 1373401 - Posted: 30 May 2013, 9:50:09 UTC - in response to Message 1373400.  
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Wouldn't matter, what I do. There's no work being asked as I miss v7 in app_info.xml, so the cache will run empty anyway.

Every now & then my other system (that i haven't fiddled with yet) gets a bunch of v6 work to do. Probably every 6-12th request.


Before we switched to v7 we had a shorties storm, is that one still raging in v7?

Hadn't noticed anything before the outage.
Till i can get these executables to download no way of knowing myself- i doubt it as the splitters don't apear to be splitting much, and there's no ready-to-send buffer.
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Message 1373402 - Posted: 30 May 2013, 9:50:59 UTC

I have a mix fro all types of work.
No probs downloading just not enough work available atm.



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Message 1373404 - Posted: 30 May 2013, 9:54:57 UTC

I'm running down my cache and will convert to v7 in a few hours (hope the download problem clears up.) Have a question about running stock while patiently waiting for the installer. Is r1316 still the stock app for Nvidia? Think I heard that will change, but I don't know the timing. If it is still r1316, is there a way to set command line switches (unroll, ffa_block, priority, etc.) without an app_info.xml file? I used app_info.xml for the switches when I ran r1316, and now use an ap_cmdline.txt file with r1761. I don't know if r1316 supports ap_cmdline.txt. I know that when I first changed to r1761 I did not include the parameters initially and had long run times until I provided them. Can I expect that with the current stock app and is there a way to avoid it?
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Message 1373407 - Posted: 30 May 2013, 10:00:52 UTC

Yes, the app in the installer supports cmdline.txt.



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