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![]() ![]() ![]() Send message Joined: 17 Feb 01 Posts: 34428 Credit: 79,922,639 RAC: 80 ![]() ![]() |
Is it possible to download the new optimized apps somewhere without the installer, i.e. just a zip file with all needed files inside, like it was possible before? Some of us don't need installers, that do more than it's actually needed... AFAIK they dont contain V7 aistubs yet, no ? With each crime and every kindness we birth our future. |
![]() Send message Joined: 9 Jun 99 Posts: 15184 Credit: 4,362,181 RAC: 3 ![]() |
But it's not complete. If you want the complete answer, do check https://casper.berkeley.edu/wiki/The_Polyphase_Filter_Bank_Technique (I did on my phone, last night prior to going to bed. Especially the new math made me fall asleep very quickly.) |
![]() ![]() Send message Joined: 16 Jun 01 Posts: 6325 Credit: 106,370,077 RAC: 121 ![]() ![]() |
Is it possible to download the new optimized apps somewhere without the installer, i.e. just a zip file with all needed files inside, like it was possible before? Some of us don't need installers, that do more than it's actually needed... you right. we need to change that. For separate packs it's quite trivial task. SETI apps news We're not gonna fight them. We're gonna transcend them. |
![]() Send message Joined: 9 Jun 99 Posts: 15184 Credit: 4,362,181 RAC: 3 ![]() |
b) wait paitently until the installer becomes available and hope there are enough v6 resends to keep you running, ignoring the protests of boinc about you not having a v7 app in your app_info.xml Nothing to ignore. 5/30/2013 6:53:07 AM | SETI@home | Requesting new tasks for CPU 5/30/2013 6:53:10 AM | SETI@home | No tasks sent 5/30/2013 6:53:10 AM | SETI@home | No tasks are available for SETI@home Enhanced 5/30/2013 6:53:10 AM | SETI@home | Message from server: Your app_info.xml file doesn't have a usable version of SETI@home v7. 5/30/2013 6:53:10 AM | SETI@home | Tasks for NVIDIA GPU are available, but your preferences are set to not accept them 5/30/2013 6:53:10 AM | SETI@home | Tasks for AMD/ATI GPU are available, but your preferences are set to not accept them And that's with v7 not checked in preferences. I've set NNT and will run the CPU cache empty before removing app_info.xml and resetting the project. |
![]() ![]() Send message Joined: 14 Feb 13 Posts: 2037 Credit: 17,689,662 RAC: 0 |
Is it possible to download the new optimized apps somewhere without the installer, i.e. just a zip file with all needed files inside, like it was possible before? Some of us don't need installers, that do more than it's actually needed... I've got enough work on my plate without trying to put bare apps into the DL area, sorry. A person who won't read has no advantage over one who can't read. (Mark Twain) |
Grant (SSSF) Send message Joined: 19 Aug 99 Posts: 13886 Credit: 208,696,464 RAC: 304 ![]() ![]() |
I've set NNT and will run the CPU cache empty before removing app_info.xml and resetting the project. I'd suggest you wait a bit longer- i've done that and am unable to process any work as i'm unable to download the new application files. Instant timeout on every attempt. Grant Darwin NT |
Lionel Send message Joined: 25 Mar 00 Posts: 680 Credit: 563,640,304 RAC: 597 ![]() ![]() |
I have just moved all my boxes to v7. Didn't take that long. The process that I went through was: -Set to No New Tasks -Abort all work units -Update project -Copy entire directory to backup directory on same disc under same parent folder -Change name of app info file -Exit Boinc with Stop Running Applications selected -Relaunch Boinc -Reset project (this will clear the project data directory of all files) -Hit Update button (this will cause 4 .png files to download) -Wait for the obligatory 3 minutes -At the end of 3 minutes, v7 will start to download. One thing to remember, make sure that v7 is selected in your seti at home preference. If not, v7 will not download (I stumbled in that area myself as I did not have v7 selected the first time I went through it). I have not changed BOINC Manager, I am still running on 6.10.58 |
![]() ![]() Send message Joined: 18 Sep 03 Posts: 834 Credit: 1,807,369 RAC: 0 ![]() |
Is it possible to download the new optimized apps somewhere without the installer, i.e. just a zip file with all needed files inside, like it was possible before? Some of us don't need installers, that do more than it's actually needed... Good. That was not the case with the "enhanced" apps, at least not recently, only installer. ![]() |
Grant (SSSF) Send message Joined: 19 Aug 99 Posts: 13886 Credit: 208,696,464 RAC: 304 ![]() ![]() |
I have just moved all my boxes to v7. Didn't take that long. *scratches head* I did No New Tasks Reported existing work Removed app_info file Exited & restarted BOINC (inc applications) Reset project Manager then contected the Scheduler itself, downloaded new work, queued up the new application files to process it. Then times out each & every time it attempts to download the files. Checked out my Hosts file- it only had the old problem download server blocked. Undid that, rebooted the system. Still unable to download files. *scratches head* EDIT- also still running 6.10.58 Once this is all over i may even upgrade the Manager. With the servers in their new house the downloads aren't the problem they once were... Grant Darwin NT |
![]() Send message Joined: 9 Jun 99 Posts: 15184 Credit: 4,362,181 RAC: 3 ![]() |
I've set NNT and will run the CPU cache empty before removing app_info.xml and resetting the project. Wouldn't matter, what I do. There's no work being asked as I miss v7 in app_info.xml, so the cache will run empty anyway. Before we switched to v7 we had a shorties storm, is that one still raging in v7? |
Grant (SSSF) Send message Joined: 19 Aug 99 Posts: 13886 Credit: 208,696,464 RAC: 304 ![]() ![]() |
Wouldn't matter, what I do. There's no work being asked as I miss v7 in app_info.xml, so the cache will run empty anyway. Every now & then my other system (that i haven't fiddled with yet) gets a bunch of v6 work to do. Probably every 6-12th request. Before we switched to v7 we had a shorties storm, is that one still raging in v7? Hadn't noticed anything before the outage. Till i can get these executables to download no way of knowing myself- i doubt it as the splitters don't apear to be splitting much, and there's no ready-to-send buffer. Grant Darwin NT |
![]() ![]() ![]() Send message Joined: 17 Feb 01 Posts: 34428 Credit: 79,922,639 RAC: 80 ![]() ![]() |
I have a mix fro all types of work. No probs downloading just not enough work available atm. With each crime and every kindness we birth our future. |
![]() Send message Joined: 22 Jul 99 Posts: 768 Credit: 24,140,697 RAC: 0 ![]() |
I'm running down my cache and will convert to v7 in a few hours (hope the download problem clears up.) Have a question about running stock while patiently waiting for the installer. Is r1316 still the stock app for Nvidia? Think I heard that will change, but I don't know the timing. If it is still r1316, is there a way to set command line switches (unroll, ffa_block, priority, etc.) without an app_info.xml file? I used app_info.xml for the switches when I ran r1316, and now use an ap_cmdline.txt file with r1761. I don't know if r1316 supports ap_cmdline.txt. I know that when I first changed to r1761 I did not include the parameters initially and had long run times until I provided them. Can I expect that with the current stock app and is there a way to avoid it? Another Fred Support SETI@home when you search the Web with GoodSearch or shop online with GoodShop. ![]() |
![]() ![]() ![]() Send message Joined: 17 Feb 01 Posts: 34428 Credit: 79,922,639 RAC: 80 ![]() ![]() |
Yes, the app in the installer supports cmdline.txt. With each crime and every kindness we birth our future. |
Richard Haselgrove ![]() Send message Joined: 4 Jul 99 Posts: 14687 Credit: 200,643,578 RAC: 874 ![]() ![]() |
Last time we had a major application rollout, Eric deployed a load-spreading techique called 'coral cache' (see message 800906, or search for that phrase). It relies on your ISP transparently redirecting download requests to another server - and some ISPs and proxies refuse to do that. The redirects are only applied to requests for application files - where everyone wants a copy of the same file, so very few files (and unchanging ones, at that) have to be held in the cache. Looking at the cricket graphs, the apps aren't being sent out from Berkeley, so I suspect the cache is in operation this time too. If everyone is failing to download, then there's a configuration problem and we'll have to wait for Eric. If the problem only affects some people, then try to stop using any proxy you may have set up. If that fails, changing ISP would be a possible (but drastic) solution. Otherwise, we could try to set up a mirror download site, I suppose, if anyone has a host and can afford the bandwidth? |
Lionel Send message Joined: 25 Mar 00 Posts: 680 Credit: 563,640,304 RAC: 597 ![]() ![]() |
It would appear that some are having problems and others not. |
Grant (SSSF) Send message Joined: 19 Aug 99 Posts: 13886 Credit: 208,696,464 RAC: 304 ![]() ![]() |
Last time we had a major application rollout, Eric deployed a load-spreading techique called 'coral cache' (see message 800906, or search for that phrase). Ah, i've got vague memories of people having similar download issues with major version upgrades in the past. If the problem only affects some people, then try to stop using any proxy you may have set up. If that fails, changing ISP would be a possible (but drastic) solution. Otherwise, we could try to set up a mirror download site, I suppose, if anyone has a host and can afford the bandwidth? Haven't used a proxy for ages, might have to give it a go again if the files are still there in the morning. Grant Darwin NT |
Richard Haselgrove ![]() Send message Joined: 4 Jul 99 Posts: 14687 Credit: 200,643,578 RAC: 874 ![]() ![]() |
If everyone is failing to download, then there's a configuration problem and we'll have to wait for Eric. Looks like we need an alternative route, then. Usually, the apps Eric deploys here are identical to the most recent Beta apps - if my ISP lets me, I'll try to test out that theory. That gives one possible alternative source - if it checks out, I can post manual download links for people to try. Edit - in that post from 2008, Eric mentions firewalls as another possible source of trouble. I'm guessing he means the sort of corporate hardware firewall that big companies use, not personal software firewalls. If that applies to you, trying downloading again when you get home, or nip out to Starbucks for a coffee and use their WiFi. Once you have the files, they can be copied to other machines by sneakernet or LAN. |
Grant (SSSF) Send message Joined: 19 Aug 99 Posts: 13886 Credit: 208,696,464 RAC: 304 ![]() ![]() |
Last time we had a major application rollout, Eric deployed a load-spreading techique called 'coral cache' (see message 800906, or search for that phrase). OK- i just put in a proxy, and i'm getting the same effect msattler was getting. After a couple of seconds the download timesout- but during those couple of seconds the files are downloading. Grant Darwin NT |
![]() ![]() Send message Joined: 24 Jan 00 Posts: 37377 Credit: 261,360,520 RAC: 489 ![]() ![]() |
I'm going to wait until next week and the dust settles before I change over to V7, but if I run out of V6 work in that time my backup projects can have a bit of a workout. ;-) Cheers. |
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