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Message 1373380 - Posted: 30 May 2013, 9:10:24 UTC - in response to Message 1373364.  

Is it possible to download the new optimized apps somewhere without the installer, i.e. just a zip file with all needed files inside, like it was possible before? Some of us don't need installers, that do more than it's actually needed...

Sure... but only for GPU apps. CUDA on Jason's site, OpenCL on Lunatics. All as separate packs.


AFAIK they dont contain V7 aistubs yet, no ?



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Message 1373383 - Posted: 30 May 2013, 9:13:51 UTC - in response to Message 1373178.  

But it's not complete. If you want the complete answer, do check https://casper.berkeley.edu/wiki/The_Polyphase_Filter_Bank_Technique

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Message 1373384 - Posted: 30 May 2013, 9:14:56 UTC - in response to Message 1373380.  

Is it possible to download the new optimized apps somewhere without the installer, i.e. just a zip file with all needed files inside, like it was possible before? Some of us don't need installers, that do more than it's actually needed...

Sure... but only for GPU apps. CUDA on Jason's site, OpenCL on Lunatics. All as separate packs.


AFAIK they dont contain V7 aistubs yet, no ?

you right. we need to change that.
For separate packs it's quite trivial task.
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Message 1373386 - Posted: 30 May 2013, 9:16:09 UTC - in response to Message 1372755.  

b) wait paitently until the installer becomes available and hope there are enough v6 resends to keep you running, ignoring the protests of boinc about you not having a v7 app in your app_info.xml

Nothing to ignore.

5/30/2013 6:53:07 AM | SETI@home | Requesting new tasks for CPU
5/30/2013 6:53:10 AM | SETI@home | No tasks sent
5/30/2013 6:53:10 AM | SETI@home | No tasks are available for SETI@home Enhanced
5/30/2013 6:53:10 AM | SETI@home | Message from server: Your app_info.xml file doesn't have a usable version of SETI@home v7.
5/30/2013 6:53:10 AM | SETI@home | Tasks for NVIDIA GPU are available, but your preferences are set to not accept them
5/30/2013 6:53:10 AM | SETI@home | Tasks for AMD/ATI GPU are available, but your preferences are set to not accept them

And that's with v7 not checked in preferences.

I've set NNT and will run the CPU cache empty before removing app_info.xml and resetting the project.
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Message 1373387 - Posted: 30 May 2013, 9:17:10 UTC - in response to Message 1373359.  

Is it possible to download the new optimized apps somewhere without the installer, i.e. just a zip file with all needed files inside, like it was possible before? Some of us don't need installers, that do more than it's actually needed...

I've got enough work on my plate without trying to put bare apps into the DL area, sorry.
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Message 1373389 - Posted: 30 May 2013, 9:22:34 UTC - in response to Message 1373386.  

I've set NNT and will run the CPU cache empty before removing app_info.xml and resetting the project.

I'd suggest you wait a bit longer- i've done that and am unable to process any work as i'm unable to download the new application files.
Instant timeout on every attempt.
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Message 1373390 - Posted: 30 May 2013, 9:24:35 UTC - in response to Message 1373375.  

I have just moved all my boxes to v7. Didn't take that long.

How?
I've followed Jason's instructions, and everything was working till it came time to download the new stock files.


The process that I went through was:
-Set to No New Tasks
-Abort all work units
-Update project
-Copy entire directory to backup directory on same disc under same parent folder
-Change name of app info file
-Exit Boinc with Stop Running Applications selected
-Relaunch Boinc
-Reset project (this will clear the project data directory of all files)
-Hit Update button (this will cause 4 .png files to download)
-Wait for the obligatory 3 minutes
-At the end of 3 minutes, v7 will start to download.

One thing to remember, make sure that v7 is selected in your seti at home preference. If not, v7 will not download (I stumbled in that area myself as I did not have v7 selected the first time I went through it).

I have not changed BOINC Manager, I am still running on 6.10.58


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Message 1373392 - Posted: 30 May 2013, 9:28:40 UTC - in response to Message 1373379.  

Is it possible to download the new optimized apps somewhere without the installer, i.e. just a zip file with all needed files inside, like it was possible before? Some of us don't need installers, that do more than it's actually needed...

Sure... but only for GPU apps. CUDA on Jason's site, OpenCL on Lunatics. All as separate packs.

I need CPU apps, no CUDA or OpenCL capable GPUs here. I wonder why they stopped distributing the CPU apps as separate packs, that was so much better (for some of us).

When we will have something to distribute there will be separate packs too.

Good. That was not the case with the "enhanced" apps, at least not recently, only installer.
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Message 1373399 - Posted: 30 May 2013, 9:38:50 UTC - in response to Message 1373390.  
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I have just moved all my boxes to v7. Didn't take that long.

How?
I've followed Jason's instructions, and everything was working till it came time to download the new stock files.


The process that I went through was:
-Set to No New Tasks
-Abort all work units
-Update project
-Copy entire directory to backup directory on same disc under same parent folder
-Change name of app info file
-Exit Boinc with Stop Running Applications selected
-Relaunch Boinc
-Reset project (this will clear the project data directory of all files)
-Hit Update button (this will cause 4 .png files to download)
-Wait for the obligatory 3 minutes
-At the end of 3 minutes, v7 will start to download.

One thing to remember, make sure that v7 is selected in your seti at home preference. If not, v7 will not download (I stumbled in that area myself as I did not have v7 selected the first time I went through it).

I have not changed BOINC Manager, I am still running on 6.10.58


*scratches head*

I did
No New Tasks
Reported existing work
Removed app_info file
Exited & restarted BOINC (inc applications)
Reset project

Manager then contected the Scheduler itself, downloaded new work, queued up the new application files to process it.
Then times out each & every time it attempts to download the files.

Checked out my Hosts file- it only had the old problem download server blocked. Undid that, rebooted the system.
Still unable to download files.
*scratches head*


EDIT- also still running 6.10.58
Once this is all over i may even upgrade the Manager. With the servers in their new house the downloads aren't the problem they once were...
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Message 1373400 - Posted: 30 May 2013, 9:44:29 UTC - in response to Message 1373389.  

I've set NNT and will run the CPU cache empty before removing app_info.xml and resetting the project.

I'd suggest you wait a bit longer- i've done that and am unable to process any work as i'm unable to download the new application files.
Instant timeout on every attempt.

Wouldn't matter, what I do. There's no work being asked as I miss v7 in app_info.xml, so the cache will run empty anyway.

Before we switched to v7 we had a shorties storm, is that one still raging in v7?
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Message 1373401 - Posted: 30 May 2013, 9:50:09 UTC - in response to Message 1373400.  
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Wouldn't matter, what I do. There's no work being asked as I miss v7 in app_info.xml, so the cache will run empty anyway.

Every now & then my other system (that i haven't fiddled with yet) gets a bunch of v6 work to do. Probably every 6-12th request.


Before we switched to v7 we had a shorties storm, is that one still raging in v7?

Hadn't noticed anything before the outage.
Till i can get these executables to download no way of knowing myself- i doubt it as the splitters don't apear to be splitting much, and there's no ready-to-send buffer.
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Message 1373402 - Posted: 30 May 2013, 9:50:59 UTC

I have a mix fro all types of work.
No probs downloading just not enough work available atm.



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Message 1373404 - Posted: 30 May 2013, 9:54:57 UTC

I'm running down my cache and will convert to v7 in a few hours (hope the download problem clears up.) Have a question about running stock while patiently waiting for the installer. Is r1316 still the stock app for Nvidia? Think I heard that will change, but I don't know the timing. If it is still r1316, is there a way to set command line switches (unroll, ffa_block, priority, etc.) without an app_info.xml file? I used app_info.xml for the switches when I ran r1316, and now use an ap_cmdline.txt file with r1761. I don't know if r1316 supports ap_cmdline.txt. I know that when I first changed to r1761 I did not include the parameters initially and had long run times until I provided them. Can I expect that with the current stock app and is there a way to avoid it?
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Message 1373407 - Posted: 30 May 2013, 10:00:52 UTC

Yes, the app in the installer supports cmdline.txt.



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Message 1373409 - Posted: 30 May 2013, 10:06:09 UTC

Last time we had a major application rollout, Eric deployed a load-spreading techique called 'coral cache' (see message 800906, or search for that phrase).

It relies on your ISP transparently redirecting download requests to another server - and some ISPs and proxies refuse to do that.

The redirects are only applied to requests for application files - where everyone wants a copy of the same file, so very few files (and unchanging ones, at that) have to be held in the cache. Looking at the cricket graphs, the apps aren't being sent out from Berkeley, so I suspect the cache is in operation this time too.

If everyone is failing to download, then there's a configuration problem and we'll have to wait for Eric.

If the problem only affects some people, then try to stop using any proxy you may have set up. If that fails, changing ISP would be a possible (but drastic) solution. Otherwise, we could try to set up a mirror download site, I suppose, if anyone has a host and can afford the bandwidth?
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Message 1373416 - Posted: 30 May 2013, 10:12:28 UTC - in response to Message 1373409.  


If everyone is failing to download, then there's a configuration problem and we'll have to wait for Eric.

If the problem only affects some people, then try to stop using any proxy you may have set up. If that fails, changing ISP would be a possible (but drastic) solution. Otherwise, we could try to set up a mirror download site, I suppose, if anyone has a host and can afford the bandwidth?


It would appear that some are having problems and others not.

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Message 1373419 - Posted: 30 May 2013, 10:14:05 UTC - in response to Message 1373409.  

Last time we had a major application rollout, Eric deployed a load-spreading techique called 'coral cache' (see message 800906, or search for that phrase).

Ah, i've got vague memories of people having similar download issues with major version upgrades in the past.

If the problem only affects some people, then try to stop using any proxy you may have set up. If that fails, changing ISP would be a possible (but drastic) solution. Otherwise, we could try to set up a mirror download site, I suppose, if anyone has a host and can afford the bandwidth?

Haven't used a proxy for ages, might have to give it a go again if the files are still there in the morning.
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Message 1373424 - Posted: 30 May 2013, 10:19:29 UTC - in response to Message 1373416.  
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If everyone is failing to download, then there's a configuration problem and we'll have to wait for Eric.

If the problem only affects some people, then try to stop using any proxy you may have set up. If that fails, changing ISP would be a possible (but drastic) solution. Otherwise, we could try to set up a mirror download site, I suppose, if anyone has a host and can afford the bandwidth?

It would appear that some are having problems and others not.

Looks like we need an alternative route, then.

Usually, the apps Eric deploys here are identical to the most recent Beta apps - if my ISP lets me, I'll try to test out that theory. That gives one possible alternative source - if it checks out, I can post manual download links for people to try.

Edit - in that post from 2008, Eric mentions firewalls as another possible source of trouble. I'm guessing he means the sort of corporate hardware firewall that big companies use, not personal software firewalls. If that applies to you, trying downloading again when you get home, or nip out to Starbucks for a coffee and use their WiFi. Once you have the files, they can be copied to other machines by sneakernet or LAN.
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Message 1373428 - Posted: 30 May 2013, 10:25:31 UTC - in response to Message 1373419.  

Last time we had a major application rollout, Eric deployed a load-spreading techique called 'coral cache' (see message 800906, or search for that phrase).

Ah, i've got vague memories of people having similar download issues with major version upgrades in the past.

If the problem only affects some people, then try to stop using any proxy you may have set up. If that fails, changing ISP would be a possible (but drastic) solution. Otherwise, we could try to set up a mirror download site, I suppose, if anyone has a host and can afford the bandwidth?

Haven't used a proxy for ages, might have to give it a go again if the files are still there in the morning.



OK- i just put in a proxy, and i'm getting the same effect msattler was getting. After a couple of seconds the download timesout- but during those couple of seconds the files are downloading.
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Message 1373434 - Posted: 30 May 2013, 10:48:53 UTC - in response to Message 1373428.  

I'm going to wait until next week and the dust settles before I change over to V7, but if I run out of V6 work in that time my backup projects can have a bit of a workout. ;-)

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