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Message 1454935 - Posted: 17 Dec 2013, 21:58:29 UTC

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How long before these two eventually clash?

It has been stated that the Iskander systems are being placed as a response to the NATO increase in the European Missile Shield. However, it's pretty obvious it's not to retaliate against the Yanks but Brussels.

Just like Obama and Syria, a line is being drawn in the sand.

Is Brussels that dumb that they dare to cross it?
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Message 1455070 - Posted: 18 Dec 2013, 10:26:00 UTC

Another interesting fact. The Greater London population is less than 45% White British. And note I said British not English.
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Message 1455081 - Posted: 18 Dec 2013, 11:38:17 UTC

You also have to wonder how many of the White British population actually is. I know several families of our generation who have foreign fathers, and you wouldn't know it from a casual meeting. Germans and Italians who were ex-POW's, there was a POW camp in Oswaldtwistle., Norwegians in Shetland.
And also a few Poles and Latvians, who fled over here and helped fight in WW2.
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Message 1455084 - Posted: 18 Dec 2013, 11:56:06 UTC - in response to Message 1455075.  
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And you wonder why I think that Europe and the world are taking the piss out of Britain, and getting away with it.

What, you mean that other European countries don't have immigrant communities? I'm pretty sure Germans beg to differ, given that they got one of the largest Turkish communities in Europe. Or France, which is choke full of people from the former colonies. Or Belgium. Or Spain. Or Italy. Or Greece. Seriously, stop whining that the UK gets all the immigrants, the rest of Europe gets them as well.

Besides, again, European regulations are pretty strict when it comes to asylum seekers and illegal immigrants. Illegal immigrants and asylum seekers must apply for visas and what not in the country in which they enter the EU. Given Britain's geographical position, its fair to say that only the ones that can afford a plane can do that, the vast majority enters through Greece, Italy or Spain. Though it might be different for the UK, it might be that you guys opted out on that.
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Message 1455085 - Posted: 18 Dec 2013, 12:10:33 UTC - in response to Message 1455084.  

Then how come a large number don't claim for asylum until they get to the Channel tunnel, having in some cases traveled through several EU countries.

Yes we know that most EU countries have immigrants from other countries, like the Turks in Germany, but the average ethnicity for most EU countries is bout 90%, for England it is below 85%.
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Message 1455124 - Posted: 18 Dec 2013, 15:06:58 UTC - in response to Message 1455085.  

Then how come a large number don't claim for asylum until they get to the Channel tunnel, having in some cases traveled through several EU countries.

Yes we know that most EU countries have immigrants from other countries, like the Turks in Germany, but the average ethnicity for most EU countries is bout 90%, for England it is below 85%.

Why? Because Spain, Italy and Greece can't handle the number of applicants. However, legally the UK can basically send them back. If they can make a reasonable case that the person did not enter the EU through the UK, then the UK does not have to handle them. The only problem is that sometimes its hard to know where they did come from.
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Message 1455131 - Posted: 18 Dec 2013, 15:29:04 UTC
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Another danger to an enlarged EU is the Roman Catholic Church, yet no one has picked up on this. Just how many of the current member states are Catholic?

Just what nations to be added to it enlarging it?

Member Nations of the EU

The European Dream - We must go deeper

Really? Just how deep? Will you force the Catholic Superstate on those nations that are not Catholic?

"A few years earlier, in 1979 while visiting the country of his birth, the Polish pope declared, “Europe, despite its … regimes, ideologies and economic systems cannot cease to seek its fundamental unity and must return to [Roman Catholic] Christianity. … Economic and political reasons alone cannot do it. We must go deeper”

And even back in 1975 Pope Paul VI, addressing the bishops of Europe, said: “Can it not be said that it is faith, the Christian faith, the Catholic faith, that made Europe? … And it is there that our mission as bishops in Europe takes on a gripping perspective. No other human force in Europe can render the service that is confided to us, promoters of the faith, to reawaken Europe’s Christian soul where its unity is rooted.”

He went on to say that the Catholic faith was “the secret of Europe’s identity,” and when the secret was discovered, Europe could carry out “the providential service to which God is still calling it.”

You think the non-catholic nations within the EU will acquiesce to this?

"UKIP’s views are not new, nor are they unique. Former British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher, in a 1988 speech to the College of Europe, said: “We have not successfully rolled back the frontiers of the state in Britain, only to see them re-imposed at a European level with a European super-state.”"

Good on yer Maggie!

We dearly need another like her now!
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Message 1455136 - Posted: 18 Dec 2013, 15:49:25 UTC

Just because a pope says something about Europe doesn't mean thats what actually happening in Europe. The idea that the EU has an official faith or is pushing said faith on to the rest of Europe is just down right ridiculous. First of all, about half of Europe isn't even Catholic. On top of that, the EU has absolutely zero power when it comes to 'regulating faith' other than saying that freedom of religion is a value that should be respected in all its member states.

And fight Europe all you want. You can only block so much. Not even that much, given that you guys tend to opt out of everything. You guys are like a little child, sitting in his room, and when the other kids on the block ask him to come out and play, he says no and stays in his room. And then gets angry when the other kids didn't consult him when they picked the game they wanted to play.

Actually leaving the EU will only make it worse. Since you guys do want to be part of the whole free trade bit, you guys can be like Norway and Switzerland. You get your free trade. But guess what, Europe still sets the rules on what you can and can't do, and Norway and Switzerland are bound to those rules. Only they don't have any say at all on them. But hey, if you guys wanna follow our rules without the constant whining and acting like a block of concrete, thats fine by me :)
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Message 1455138 - Posted: 18 Dec 2013, 15:53:49 UTC - in response to Message 1455136.  

Current Norwegian Economy

Current Swiss Economy

Ooooh, yes please, we'll take the Norwegian and Swiss concrete. Can you arrange delivery please?
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Message 1455143 - Posted: 18 Dec 2013, 16:00:38 UTC - in response to Message 1455141.  

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So what price EU rules now?
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Message 1455144 - Posted: 18 Dec 2013, 16:01:43 UTC

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Message 1455145 - Posted: 18 Dec 2013, 16:06:28 UTC - in response to Message 1455144.  

No one really wants to be Belgian: Country doesn’t grant a single citizenship under new laws for 2013


Nice. Makes one wonder what Brussels and the European Commission have said to that?

Again, what price EU rules?

Methinks they're only there for Del-boy - Only Fools and Horses!
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Message 1455597 - Posted: 19 Dec 2013, 21:22:16 UTC

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Gotta love this statement. Wonder how Brussels feels about being given "The Bird"?

"I am categorically against anybody coming and teaching us how to live," he said."
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Message 1455733 - Posted: 20 Dec 2013, 14:16:08 UTC - in response to Message 1455715.  

Ukraine's Russian-backed President, Viktor Yanukovych, has said he strongly opposes Western politicians intervening in the crisis in Ukraine. The opposition is furious after he accepted a Russian bailout, seen as a reward for rejecting EU integration. Ukraine, Putin said, was a fraternal state with close industrial ties to Russia. We should support our sister nation in dire straits"

Quite obviously a bribe from Russia to ditch further EU integration, and bring Ukraine under further direct control of Russia. & the difference between them and Brussels is?

Before news of Russia's offer to buy $15bn worth of bonds, Ukraine faced an external funding gap of $15bn-17bn in 2014
Negotiations for an IMF loan have long been stalled
Ukraine's foreign exchange reserves dipped to less than $19bn in November
Trade volumes in goods with the EU and Russia are similar

Russia made an offer they knew Ukraine couldn't refuse. So no bribery within the EU then?

"I am categorically against anybody coming and teaching us how to live," he said. "What is very important is that this is our internal matter, and that other countries do not intervene in our internal affairs."

OK, you want to be a Russian satellite state, you go ahead. Judging by this you won't be around in a few years for us to worry about anyway. With the Lib-Dems in power, the same can be said for Britain

Ukraine has been in a demographic crisis since the 1990s because of its high death rate and a low birth rate. The population is shrinking by over 150,000 a year. The birth rate has recovered in recent years from a catastrophically low level around 2000, and is now comparable to the European average, but would need to increase by another 50% or so to stabilize the population and offset the high mortality rate. Life expectancy is falling. The nation suffers a high mortality rate from environmental pollution, poor diets, widespread smoking, extensive alcoholism, and deteriorating medical care. No different than the UK then!




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Message 1455762 - Posted: 20 Dec 2013, 16:50:12 UTC

Hmmn, a Russian satellite to scare both Britain and Europe?

How about Ireland leaving the EU and joining the CU? If so, Putin has gone a long way to make that possible........

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Message 1455783 - Posted: 20 Dec 2013, 17:52:51 UTC

What has really kept Europe stable has been the U.S. presence since WW-II. The EU (and the Euro) are attempts to substitute for that. I wish it would work, but it won't. See you later.
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Message 1455909 - Posted: 21 Dec 2013, 0:21:36 UTC

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Message 1456041 - Posted: 21 Dec 2013, 10:37:21 UTC - in response to Message 1455783.  
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What has really kept Europe stable has been the U.S. presence since WW-II. The EU (and the Euro) are attempts to substitute for that. I wish it would work, but it won't. See you later.

Hahahaha, please. The EU and its predecessors were attempts to keep the Yanks out of our internal affairs and prevent Western Europe from turning into the Western equivalent of Eastern Europe. That has been quite successful. In fact, if anything, American interference in post war European politics has only resulted in further instability in certain areas (Greece knows a thing or two about that, given how first American politics and then American business has utterly f'ed them over).


EDIT Seems the bar owner pissed off some bureaucrat.
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Message 1456052 - Posted: 21 Dec 2013, 11:29:06 UTC - in response to Message 1456049.  

The U.S. has dozens of cities and municipalities which are filing for bankruptcy now (and at least one state which is testing the limits of debt and taxes). And the current regime in washington is starting to funnel money to them. Why isn't the EU doing this for Greece?

Well to some extend they do. They have the whole economic fund for countries that have their own debt crisis. But, at the same time the EU is not a federation like the US. And currently the EU is far from popular in a lot of countries, so between the states there is almost no feeling of solidarity. The Dutch and Germans feel no real solidarity with the Greeks, the only reason they are helping out is because they see that the costs of not helping would be bigger than helping out. Still, they have to act towards the citizens of their own countries that they are doing their very hardest not to pay any more to Greece than is absolutely necessary, because else they might lose the next elections at home.
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