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Message 1479640 - Posted: 20 Feb 2014, 16:04:36 UTC
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The umpa lumpa's very much disagree with you. They seen me read the whole links and you didn't till just now. But nice try any how. Never the less your misinformation has been shot down. You posted that we are in trouble because we have passed some imaginary line of 400 parts per million and further passed that off as the first time in history. You nor the scientist that wrote that piece ever looked at the ice cores, and the ice cores are the only things at this site telling the truth. They, the umpa lumpa's know this to be a fact.

I gave you a little graphy thingy did you read it? You seem to be fond of the pie chart for some reason now. Have you ever tried humble pie? You should try it because you're flat out wrong. AS the little graphy thingy said that came with the link Co2 is a cooling gas, history has shown us. Co2 has been up over 2,000 parts per million many times and life went on. WHEN the land shifted we were way over 8,000 parts per million as you said. What you have ignored for reason of politics (by the way this link is NOT in science, it's were is belongs) is the parts per million just before our last ice age and after. It seems so the umpa lumpa's keep telling me that a ice age comes with high Co2 levels, NOT climate change or global warming for that matter.

Hang on a second--a umpa lumpa just handed me a note. They all have agreed that you need to tell us the make up of our atmosphere 85 million years ago. Not JUST Co2 but other gasses too!
Must not conflict resolve by suggesting that someone should go sit on an ice pick...
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Message 1479657 - Posted: 20 Feb 2014, 17:19:44 UTC - in response to Message 1479483.  

You can hold your breath and scream all you want, it won't change the facts, which apparently is what you are trying to do by taking data out of context. Try reading your own links next time.


That made me smile.

You know that's never going to happen, if I.D. was to read the links he posts and read any further into his beliefs, scientific or religious, he would realise that he actually isn't a Roman Catholic or a believer in Intelligent Design.

Well he doesn't understand evolution, and he doesn't seem to understand geological time scales. So no wonder he is confused.

I'm not even sure he's participating in the same conversation that we are anymore.
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Message 1479782 - Posted: 20 Feb 2014, 20:59:56 UTC
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I understand the attack against ID's Thoughts.

But...

The type, the personal nature of the attack, and Anti-Religious Bigotry of SOME Posting, makes the attacker's no better than ID. Probably worse.

Have always said that the extremist's on both sides...

NO... I don't push 'Red X's'
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Message 1479809 - Posted: 20 Feb 2014, 21:33:48 UTC - in response to Message 1479782.  

I understand the attack against ID's Thoughts.

But...

The type, the personal nature of the attack, and Anti-Religious Bigotry of SOME Posting, makes the attacker's no better than ID. Probably worse.

Have always said that the extremist's on both sides...

NO... I don't push 'Red X's'

Oh right. I forgot. Religion gets a special privilege. You aren't allowed to point out the Emperors new clothes when it comes to religion. It must be nice having your views protected from reality like that.
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Message 1479888 - Posted: 21 Feb 2014, 2:10:18 UTC - in response to Message 1479848.  
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Just a personal note: I am a TOTAL ATHIEST.

Very good.

So why the religious "it can't be so" denialism despite all the evidence around you?


Mankind is very clearly polluting the atmosphere of our only one planet into runaway heating and ever more extreme weather changes...

All on our only one planet,
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Message 1479908 - Posted: 21 Feb 2014, 2:54:03 UTC

I think that some people have it backwards. The more junk that we put in the atmosphere the cooler the planet will tend to be. A "nuclear winter" is purported to put the planet into extreme cold.
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Message 1479915 - Posted: 21 Feb 2014, 3:09:26 UTC - in response to Message 1479908.  

I think that some people have it backwards. The more junk that we put in the atmosphere the cooler the planet will tend to be. A "nuclear winter" is purported to put the planet into extreme cold.

That's because a "nuclear winter" is like a very large volcanic explosion, or a large asteroid hit, the dust created blocks the sunlight.

Have you noticed that one of the reasons temperatures have risen faster in recent years is because legislation in the western world has reduced dust emissions and more sunlight is reaching the ground.
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Message 1479937 - Posted: 21 Feb 2014, 4:32:46 UTC - in response to Message 1479888.  
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Just a personal note: I am a TOTAL ATHIEST.

Very good.

So why the religious "it can't be so" denialism despite all the evidence around you?


Mankind is very clearly polluting the atmosphere of our only one planet into runaway heating and ever more extreme weather changes...

All on our only one planet,
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So why the religious "it can't to be so"...

During this discussion, and all the other debates over the past 20 years: I, and other's, have asked specific questions regarding this question, and NONE have been answered. The ONLY questions answered, are from the Crazy Deniers (a well known technique, which makes me ask more questions regarding motivation).

As an Agnostic in this question:

I find those promoting Man-Made Global Warming, making 10's of Millions Dollars.

I find the Anti-Deniers fail to understand the difference between Science and Scientists.

It appears to this Atheist, that Anti-Deniers are responding with an almost Religious Fervor. Or perhaps it is an Ideological Fervor. I find NO difference between the two.

The above is just a few of many questions and observations I have, and NONE are answered.

One more thing: I see ID has been banished (wasn't me, I don't push 'Red X's'). He might have been a little crazy. But he was fun. I guess Europeans/Canadian's 'can't take it', and like censorship.
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Message 1480008 - Posted: 21 Feb 2014, 7:45:59 UTC

Why do European's/Canadian's keep on pressing the 'Red X'?
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Message 1480017 - Posted: 21 Feb 2014, 7:55:21 UTC

How do you know that? As far as I'm aware no-one gets told who complained about a post.
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Message 1480026 - Posted: 21 Feb 2014, 8:02:23 UTC - in response to Message 1480017.  

How do you know that? As far as I'm aware no-one gets told who complained about a post.

I will whole heartly agree. And if that is happening than some bad crap is going on.
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Message 1480044 - Posted: 21 Feb 2014, 8:29:10 UTC - in response to Message 1480017.  

How do you know that? As far as I'm aware no-one gets told who complained about a post.


#1 - Look at my Message 1479937, and look at what Country's are Represented in the 'Believe Man-Made Global Warming' position.

#2 - What was in Message 1479937 that would cause someone in the 'Man-Made Global Warming' Warming' position, or as I characterized it as 'Anti-Denier', would cause one to push the 'Red X'?

#3 - Although it is not really important: Would someone (Hopefully the Complainers) explain the problem with Message 1479937.

#4 - Maybe it was my upholding the right of ID to post Crazy, but Funny idea's.

#5 - I don't push 'Red X's'. Maybe that just the American in me.

Just a note: In another Board, I characterized European's as "Thin Skinned", and they proved it by many pushing the 'Red X'.
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Message 1480062 - Posted: 21 Feb 2014, 8:48:28 UTC - in response to Message 1480044.  

Just a note: In another Board, I characterized European's as "Thin Skinned", and they proved it by many pushing the 'Red X'.

Again, how do you know?
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Message 1480065 - Posted: 21 Feb 2014, 8:52:46 UTC

We do not comment on individual Moderator decisions, if you have a grievance you know the procedure.

He doesn't know Мишель, he can't do, he is surmising that it must be Europeans because we are the most prolific against his views. It could just as well be all his American mates, that would really pee him off!
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Message 1480142 - Posted: 21 Feb 2014, 12:34:55 UTC

I didn't "X" I.D. I have no idea what he has done this time. He hadn't posted before I went out, and I didn't boot up when I came in, and only noticed first thing this morning he was vacation, again.

In fact the only times I have done is when he has posted pseudo-science on the Science (non-SETI) board and to get it moved somewhere else. But I do know he has "X" me.
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Message 1480199 - Posted: 21 Feb 2014, 14:42:53 UTC
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A quick reminder - don't discuss specific moderation events on the boards (and this includes speculation about who did/didn't hit the red-x). If you have a problem with any moderation then the thing to do is mail seti_moderators@ssl.berkeley.edu which goes to the forum administrator as well as all the moderators.


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Sorry about the confusion, anger and whatever else I caused by the mass hiding earlier today, no excuse apart from a really bad day in the office - have a look in the Cafe PTSD thread in a few minutes for more info.
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Message 1480210 - Posted: 21 Feb 2014, 15:05:56 UTC - in response to Message 1480199.  
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OK, I've just had enough of it.
A quick reminder - don't discuss specific moderation events on the boards (and this includes speculation about who did/didn't hit the red-x). If you have a problem with any moderation then the thing to do is mail seti_moderators@ssl.berkeley.edu which goes to the forum administrator as well as all the moderators.


Sounds good to me.

However, I REALLY don't find this problem important. It was just an observation.

Please lighten up, and don't take these Boards as a 'Matter of Life and Death'.

It is really a conversation, with friends, sharing Coffee.

Edit: "This Problem" referred to, is about This Board', NOT Global Warming.
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Message 1480307 - Posted: 21 Feb 2014, 17:56:49 UTC - in response to Message 1479915.  
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Have you noticed that one of the reasons temperatures have risen faster in recent years is because legislation in the western world has reduced dust emissions and more sunlight is reaching the ground.


One of the reasons reasons along with somewhat lower solar output that we are actually in a cooling cycle is that the Chinese, Indians and others are dumping a lot of fly ash into the atmosphere as they ramp up industrial production and the electricity to power it.

Hundreds of snowfall records here in the States along with thousands of low temperature records this winter.
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Message 1480383 - Posted: 21 Feb 2014, 20:31:48 UTC - in response to Message 1480065.  

He doesn't know Мишель, he can't do, he is surmising that it must be Europeans because we are the most prolific against his views. It could just as well be all his American mates, that would really pee him off!


In America, its called 'Pissed Off'.

I hope neither Chris S nor I, will be 'Red X'd' as Obscene , as was, believe it or not, one of my Posts.

Now let's get back to the Subject.
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