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Message 1479195 - Posted: 19 Feb 2014, 17:53:55 UTC

I'm beginning to wonder about NASA. Climate Change, summer, winter, fall, spring and this can be called climate change.

Global Warming is said to be caused by Co2. Yet Co2 is not a greenhouse gas.
Must not conflict resolve by suggesting that someone should go sit on an ice pick...
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Message 1479200 - Posted: 19 Feb 2014, 18:04:41 UTC - in response to Message 1479158.  

"are we talking about Global Warming or not".


Why are they afraid to use the term 'Global Warming'?


Sensible question - The answer is fairly simple - "Because it doesn't tell the whole story".

While the global average temperature is increasing this increase is not uniform, some places are seeing far large increases and others which may be experiencing reductions in average temperature. This is resulting in some quite dramatic changes in local weather, with increased sever storms (extremely high winds and precipitation), wild fluctuations in temperature (the Fact that much of the US has had a colder than average winter, while Europe has been "basking" in a very mild one).
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Message 1479211 - Posted: 19 Feb 2014, 18:17:38 UTC - in response to Message 1479195.  

I'm beginning to wonder about NASA. Climate Change, summer, winter, fall, spring and this can be called climate change.

Global Warming is said to be caused by Co2. Yet Co2 is not a greenhouse gas.


How many times can you be wrong and still have the nerve to keep pushing your misunderstanding of science.
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Message 1479233 - Posted: 19 Feb 2014, 19:03:10 UTC

The average temperature is increasing.
The polar region temperature is increasing faster than the tropics.
The mid-latitude temperature is decreasing, by much less than the other two regions are increasing.
The bulk of the ice is in the polar regions

Simple physics shows that the volume of ice melt is greater than the volume of contraction of water in the mid-latitudes.
The increase in free water volume due to temperature increase in the polar regions is marginally greater than the reduction in volume in the mid latitudes.
The same physics shows that the volume increase of the seas in the tropics is greater than the loss due to the mid-latitude cooling.

So we have ice melting, and water expanding at both the poles and the tropics that is greater in volume than the reduction due to cooling in the mid latitudes, and so sea levels are rising.

Very simple really. And very sad too.
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Message 1479284 - Posted: 19 Feb 2014, 20:31:11 UTC - in response to Message 1479211.  
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I'm beginning to wonder about NASA. Climate Change, summer, winter, fall, spring and this can be called climate change.

Global Warming is said to be caused by Co2. Yet Co2 is not a greenhouse gas.


How many times can you be wrong and still have the nerve to keep pushing your misunderstanding of science.
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LOL, wrong? There are literally hundreds of factors that govern Earth’s climate and temperature – not just CO2. Scientists also note that geologically speaking, the Earth is currently in a “CO2 famine” and that the geologic record reveals that ice ages have occurred when CO2 was at 2000 ppm to as high as 8000ppm.

How many times can you intentionally misrepresent science in order to enable the governments of the world to fleece the common man of his hard earned pay? Have you no shame?

Don't they teach students to read icecores anymore?
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Message 1479287 - Posted: 19 Feb 2014, 20:32:34 UTC - in response to Message 1479279.  

The average temperature is increasing.
The polar region temperature is increasing faster than the tropics.
The mid-latitude temperature is decreasing, by much less than the other two regions are increasing.
The bulk of the ice is in the polar regions

Simple physics shows that the volume of ice melt is greater than the volume of contraction of water in the mid-latitudes.
The increase in free water volume due to temperature increase in the polar regions is marginally greater than the reduction in volume in the mid latitudes.
The same physics shows that the volume increase of the seas in the tropics is greater than the loss due to the mid-latitude cooling.

So we have ice melting, and water expanding at both the poles and the tropics that is greater in volume than the reduction due to cooling in the mid latitudes, and so sea levels are rising.

Very simple really. And very sad too.


OK!!!!

So let's stick to the name GLOBAL WARMING.

If not, why not?

Because there are some idiots out there who think because they get a bad snowstorm there is no global warming.

The term climate change reflects that although the entire planet is getting warmer, some areas might actually get hit by severe cold spells as weather patterns change.
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Message 1479291 - Posted: 19 Feb 2014, 20:37:53 UTC - in response to Message 1479284.  

I'm beginning to wonder about NASA. Climate Change, summer, winter, fall, spring and this can be called climate change.

Global Warming is said to be caused by Co2. Yet Co2 is not a greenhouse gas.


How many times can you be wrong and still have the nerve to keep pushing your misunderstanding of science.
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LOL, wrong? There are literally hundreds of factors that govern Earth’s climate and temperature – not just CO2. Scientists also note that geologically speaking, the Earth is currently in a “CO2 famine” and that the geologic record reveals that ice ages have occurred when CO2 was at 2000 ppm to as high as 8000ppm.

How many times can you intentionally misrepresent science in order to enable the governments of the world to fleece the common man of his hard earned pay? Have you no shame?

Don't they teach students to read icecores anymore?

OMG! You've solved it! All we have to do is put the continents back where they were in the Carboniferous period! What a simple solution! I can't believe no one saw it before today!
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Message 1479297 - Posted: 19 Feb 2014, 20:41:23 UTC - in response to Message 1479291.  
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I'm beginning to wonder about NASA. Climate Change, summer, winter, fall, spring and this can be called climate change.

Global Warming is said to be caused by Co2. Yet Co2 is not a greenhouse gas.


How many times can you be wrong and still have the nerve to keep pushing your misunderstanding of science.
US EPA Global Greenhouse Gas Emissions Data


LOL, wrong? There are literally hundreds of factors that govern Earth’s climate and temperature – not just CO2. Scientists also note that geologically speaking, the Earth is currently in a “CO2 famine” and that the geologic record reveals that ice ages have occurred when CO2 was at 2000 ppm to as high as 8000ppm.

How many times can you intentionally misrepresent science in order to enable the governments of the world to fleece the common man of his hard earned pay? Have you no shame?

Don't they teach students to read icecores anymore?

OMG! You've solved it! All we have to do is put the continents back where they were in the Carboniferous period! What a simple solution! I can't believe no one saw it before today!


WoW, what a silly and misinformed post! :-(
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Message 1479299 - Posted: 19 Feb 2014, 20:43:18 UTC - in response to Message 1479297.  

I'm beginning to wonder about NASA. Climate Change, summer, winter, fall, spring and this can be called climate change.

Global Warming is said to be caused by Co2. Yet Co2 is not a greenhouse gas.


How many times can you be wrong and still have the nerve to keep pushing your misunderstanding of science.
US EPA Global Greenhouse Gas Emissions Data


LOL, wrong? There are literally hundreds of factors that govern Earth’s climate and temperature – not just CO2. Scientists also note that geologically speaking, the Earth is currently in a “CO2 famine” and that the geologic record reveals that ice ages have occurred when CO2 was at 2000 ppm to as high as 8000ppm.

How many times can you intentionally misrepresent science in order to enable the governments of the world to fleece the common man of his hard earned pay? Have you no shame?

Don't they teach students to read icecores anymore?

OMG! You've solved it! All we have to do is put the continents back where they were in the Carboniferous period! What a simple solution! I can't believe no one saw it before today!


WoW, what a silly and misinformed post! :-(

Yes, your post was. Your link even contained the information that showed that the arrangement of the continents had a lot do with why the the planet was as cool as it is today despite having more CO2.

Talk about cherry picking.
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Message 1479332 - Posted: 19 Feb 2014, 22:22:50 UTC - in response to Message 1479299.  

I'm beginning to wonder about NASA. Climate Change, summer, winter, fall, spring and this can be called climate change.

Global Warming is said to be caused by Co2. Yet Co2 is not a greenhouse gas.


How many times can you be wrong and still have the nerve to keep pushing your misunderstanding of science.
US EPA Global Greenhouse Gas Emissions Data


LOL, wrong? There are literally hundreds of factors that govern Earth’s climate and temperature – not just CO2. Scientists also note that geologically speaking, the Earth is currently in a “CO2 famine” and that the geologic record reveals that ice ages have occurred when CO2 was at 2000 ppm to as high as 8000ppm.

How many times can you intentionally misrepresent science in order to enable the governments of the world to fleece the common man of his hard earned pay? Have you no shame?

Don't they teach students to read icecores anymore?

OMG! You've solved it! All we have to do is put the continents back where they were in the Carboniferous period! What a simple solution! I can't believe no one saw it before today!


WoW, what a silly and misinformed post! :-(

Yes, your post was. Your link even contained the information that showed that the arrangement of the continents had a lot do with why the the planet was as cool as it is today despite having more CO2.

Talk about cherry picking.



Misinformed because you misread the garph thingy that you all seem so fond of....

The last iceage you should note, parts per million...

The reason I called Co2 a non-starter as far as a warming gas, it appears to be a cooling gas as far as history shows us, not politics you should note...

Why the misinformation about the 400 parts per million when in fact it has been much higher and life went on, not died off as you have misinformed. Not tie in as far a Co2 goes for mass die off, YOU should note...

Wow! How misinformed you are and you still pass off that misinformation that begets more misinformation, that begets more misinformation and the science hasn't caught up with all this misinformation. You make little children cry everytime their parents start up a car and now the are holding their breath till they turn blue because they fear they are warming the planet! You should note this also! Have you no shame?!?
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Message 1479418 - Posted: 20 Feb 2014, 2:15:41 UTC - in response to Message 1479332.  
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Misinformed because you misread the garph thingy that you all seem so fond of....

The last iceage you should note, parts per million...

The reason I called Co2 a non-starter as far as a warming gas, it appears to be a cooling gas as far as history shows us, not politics you should note...

Why the misinformation about the 400 parts per million when in fact it has been much higher and life went on, not died off as you have misinformed. Not tie in as far a Co2 goes for mass die off, YOU should note...

Wow! How misinformed you are and you still pass off that misinformation that begets more misinformation, that begets more misinformation and the science hasn't caught up with all this misinformation. You make little children cry everytime their parents start up a car and now the are holding their breath till they turn blue because they fear they are warming the planet! You should note this also! Have you no shame?!?

According to the links YOU posted, we should be a cooling period right now.

According to the links YOU posted we are warming up on a much quicker timescale than ever before.

According the links YOU posted we had there was a time when we had more CO2 in the past but that did not cause global warming because according the link YOU posted the continents were in a different place. ID's link.which leads to Link that IDs link leads to as a source of the data Now read the whole page your graph was taken from. The whole page, all the way down. Your site (which contradicts itself) has been shown to have incorrect data: Climate change sceptic Bob Carter continues to ply his trade
Like many deniers of man-made global warming, Prof Carter's views may say more about his politics than scientific evidence


Usually such rapid changes are associated with mass extinction events. Such as the one we are currently in.

Will life die out on the planet? Unlikely. Will it still be hospitable to us? Unlikely.

Elizabeth Kolbert: Humans Are Causing Largest Die-Off Since Dinosaur Age

Its real, the die off is happening. You can hold your breath and scream all you want, it won't change the facts, which apparently is what you are trying to do by taking data out of context. Try reading your own links next time.
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Message 1479483 - Posted: 20 Feb 2014, 6:24:24 UTC - in response to Message 1479418.  

You can hold your breath and scream all you want, it won't change the facts, which apparently is what you are trying to do by taking data out of context. Try reading your own links next time.


That made me smile.

You know that's never going to happen, if I.D. was to read the links he posts and read any further into his beliefs, scientific or religious, he would realise that he actually isn't a Roman Catholic or a believer in Intelligent Design.
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Message 1479640 - Posted: 20 Feb 2014, 16:04:36 UTC
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The umpa lumpa's very much disagree with you. They seen me read the whole links and you didn't till just now. But nice try any how. Never the less your misinformation has been shot down. You posted that we are in trouble because we have passed some imaginary line of 400 parts per million and further passed that off as the first time in history. You nor the scientist that wrote that piece ever looked at the ice cores, and the ice cores are the only things at this site telling the truth. They, the umpa lumpa's know this to be a fact.

I gave you a little graphy thingy did you read it? You seem to be fond of the pie chart for some reason now. Have you ever tried humble pie? You should try it because you're flat out wrong. AS the little graphy thingy said that came with the link Co2 is a cooling gas, history has shown us. Co2 has been up over 2,000 parts per million many times and life went on. WHEN the land shifted we were way over 8,000 parts per million as you said. What you have ignored for reason of politics (by the way this link is NOT in science, it's were is belongs) is the parts per million just before our last ice age and after. It seems so the umpa lumpa's keep telling me that a ice age comes with high Co2 levels, NOT climate change or global warming for that matter.

Hang on a second--a umpa lumpa just handed me a note. They all have agreed that you need to tell us the make up of our atmosphere 85 million years ago. Not JUST Co2 but other gasses too!
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Message 1479657 - Posted: 20 Feb 2014, 17:19:44 UTC - in response to Message 1479483.  

You can hold your breath and scream all you want, it won't change the facts, which apparently is what you are trying to do by taking data out of context. Try reading your own links next time.


That made me smile.

You know that's never going to happen, if I.D. was to read the links he posts and read any further into his beliefs, scientific or religious, he would realise that he actually isn't a Roman Catholic or a believer in Intelligent Design.

Well he doesn't understand evolution, and he doesn't seem to understand geological time scales. So no wonder he is confused.

I'm not even sure he's participating in the same conversation that we are anymore.
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Message 1479809 - Posted: 20 Feb 2014, 21:33:48 UTC - in response to Message 1479782.  

I understand the attack against ID's Thoughts.

But...

The type, the personal nature of the attack, and Anti-Religious Bigotry of SOME Posting, makes the attacker's no better than ID. Probably worse.

Have always said that the extremist's on both sides...

NO... I don't push 'Red X's'

Oh right. I forgot. Religion gets a special privilege. You aren't allowed to point out the Emperors new clothes when it comes to religion. It must be nice having your views protected from reality like that.
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Message 1479888 - Posted: 21 Feb 2014, 2:10:18 UTC - in response to Message 1479848.  
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Just a personal note: I am a TOTAL ATHIEST.

Very good.

So why the religious "it can't be so" denialism despite all the evidence around you?


Mankind is very clearly polluting the atmosphere of our only one planet into runaway heating and ever more extreme weather changes...

All on our only one planet,
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Message 1479908 - Posted: 21 Feb 2014, 2:54:03 UTC

I think that some people have it backwards. The more junk that we put in the atmosphere the cooler the planet will tend to be. A "nuclear winter" is purported to put the planet into extreme cold.
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Message 1479915 - Posted: 21 Feb 2014, 3:09:26 UTC - in response to Message 1479908.  

I think that some people have it backwards. The more junk that we put in the atmosphere the cooler the planet will tend to be. A "nuclear winter" is purported to put the planet into extreme cold.

That's because a "nuclear winter" is like a very large volcanic explosion, or a large asteroid hit, the dust created blocks the sunlight.

Have you noticed that one of the reasons temperatures have risen faster in recent years is because legislation in the western world has reduced dust emissions and more sunlight is reaching the ground.
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Message 1480026 - Posted: 21 Feb 2014, 8:02:23 UTC - in response to Message 1480017.  

How do you know that? As far as I'm aware no-one gets told who complained about a post.

I will whole heartly agree. And if that is happening than some bad crap is going on.
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Message 1480062 - Posted: 21 Feb 2014, 8:48:28 UTC - in response to Message 1480044.  

Just a note: In another Board, I characterized European's as "Thin Skinned", and they proved it by many pushing the 'Red X'.

Again, how do you know?
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