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Message 1558869 - Posted: 18 Aug 2014, 19:40:48 UTC

A colourful continuing "Ouch!" with yet more Marketing to rescue?...


Microsoft cries UNINSTALL in the wake of Blue Screens of Deathâ„¢

... The fixes issued on Patch Update Tuesday addressed privilege escalation bugs but an apparent font cache clearing issue lead to Windows boxes turning the colour of a clear sky.

The guilty patch run addressed 40 bugs across Internet Explorer and Windows 7 and Win 8 Pro other than Starter and Home Basic.

At the time of writing, 37 pages loaded with questions and snarks about the borked updates were on an English Microsoft community forum.

Altogether three updates were pulled for download from the Microsoft website...



The Return of BSOD: Does ANYONE trust Microsoft patches now?

... Patch early and patch often is the advice of security professionals when it comes to software updates. After all, who needs to be left wide and open to hackers and malware writers when the solution was delivered by the software's maker days, weeks or months before?

Yet sysadmins will be increasingly leery of applying such an approach to Windows systems following Microsoft's latest botch job.

On 12 August Microsoft released 40 updates for Internet Exploder, Windows 7 and Windows 8 Pro.

Very shortly afterwards people began reporting their Windows machines bricking – while others glimpsed something they hadn't seen in a very long time: the Blue Screen of Death. Many thought BSODs were a thing of the past in this brave new Windows 7 (and 8) world.

They were wrong. As ever, people were in the dark over what had gone wrong and why...




There just has to be something suspicious about the need of a "Knowledge Base" that runs to millions of entries with far too many "work-arounds" just for a user to 'experience' an OS...


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Message 1583235 - Posted: 8 Oct 2014, 0:45:10 UTC
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A failed patents system and a form of extortion? Or just business as usual at all cost?


How much is Microsoft earning from its Android taxes again?

... We’ve known for years that Microsoft makes more money from Google’s Android than Google does itself – but now we have a better idea of how much hidden “tax” is included in the price of an Android handset...



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Message 1583273 - Posted: 8 Oct 2014, 3:15:02 UTC - in response to Message 1583235.  

& just what does that have to do with Windows?
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Message 1583328 - Posted: 8 Oct 2014, 6:35:15 UTC - in response to Message 1355628.  

I read there will be Windows 10.

Windows 10: 12 things you need to know

Microsoft gave the first look at its Windows 10 operating system on Tuesday, a major release that will span all hardware from PCs to phones and try to address the ills that have dogged Windows 8.

The event in San Francisco was aimed mostly at enterprise customers, and Microsoft promised an OS that will be more intuitive for the millions of workers still on Windows 7 and older OSes. Here’s a rundown of some of the key points we learned Tuesday about Windows 10.

http://www.pcworld.com/article/2690092/12-things-to-know-about-windows-10.html

Can't grasp windows 7 yet, and now windows 10. ??
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Message 1583413 - Posted: 8 Oct 2014, 11:23:23 UTC - in response to Message 1583273.  

& just what does that have to do with Windows?

Just a curiosity for where and how "Windows" is being funded or subsidized...

Also a stark example of some of the 'business practices' being employed.


From my view, it all certainly ain't for the good of the users/consumers.

(And are all the other big Corps all "just as bad"?...)

Marketing rules?... "Innovation" be damned!?...


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Message 1583415 - Posted: 8 Oct 2014, 11:29:16 UTC

Can this really be in the new Microsoft "EULA"?

And people agree to such silliness??!! Really?!!!


Windows 10's 'built-in keylogger'? Ha ha, says Microsoft – no, it just monitors your typing

Don't want Microsoft tracking you online and collecting data on your computing habits? Then you probably shouldn't install the Windows 10 Technical Preview...

... going as far as to claim that Windows 10 comes with a "built-in keylogger" to watch users' every move.

Turns out these Chicken Littles were right – sort of – but according to Microsoft they should have known about the data collection from the get-go, because they agreed to it...



Incredible for the arrogance meets gullibility!


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Message 1583423 - Posted: 8 Oct 2014, 11:38:01 UTC - in response to Message 1583328.  
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... Microsoft promised an OS that will be more intuitive...

The Microsoft Marketing must be slipping... From my view, I've noticed how usually such things are not even admitted or alluded to... There is an implicit assumption made that if you can't easily use Windows, then somehow it must be all your fault because "how could anyone not use something that is as easy as child's play?"...

Sooo... Microsoft admits that Windows is not as 'intuitive' as it could be?

For myself, I'm suffering far too many users completely befuddled by the latest incarnation of Outlook (2013) for the almost randomly arranged menues and contorted context conditional routes through to commonly used features. Some frustrated users really do see the thing as a form of voodoo!

(And we've had to employ a new IT Assistant just to help out with the extra calls from the latest 'upgrade'... The common document format ODF to break the .docx/ooxml hegemony can't come soon enough!!)


So what did happen to the clean and clear ideas from Xerox Palo Alto from way back in the 70's for how computers should be easily and reliably usable?...


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Message 1583834 - Posted: 9 Oct 2014, 6:52:21 UTC - in response to Message 1583423.  

... Microsoft promised an OS that will be more intuitive...

The Microsoft Marketing must be slipping... From my view, I've noticed how usually such things are not even admitted or alluded to... There is an implicit assumption made that if you can't easily use Windows, then somehow it must be all your fault because "how could anyone not use something that is as easy as child's play?"...

Sooo... Microsoft admits that Windows is not as 'intuitive' as it could be?

For myself, I'm suffering far too many users completely befuddled by the latest incarnation of Outlook (2013) for the almost randomly arranged menues and contorted context conditional routes through to commonly used features. Some frustrated users really do see the thing as a form of voodoo!

(And we've had to employ a new IT Assistant just to help out with the extra calls from the latest 'upgrade'... The common document format ODF to break the .docx/ooxml hegemony can't come soon enough!!)


So what did happen to the clean and clear ideas from Xerox Palo Alto from way back in the 70's for how computers should be easily and reliably usable?...


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Martin as the resident Linux Guru. Why havent you persauded your employer to just go with Linux staright up?
Show him the error of his ways. And tell him Linux will forever free him of such hassles.
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Message 1584046 - Posted: 9 Oct 2014, 17:51:36 UTC - in response to Message 1583834.  

Martin as the resident Linux Guru. Why havent you persauded your employer to just go with Linux staright up?
Show him the error of his ways. And tell him Linux will forever free him of such hassles.

Already done when we moved off the last Win2000 server well over a decade ago. We gained a x4 performance upgrade on the existing infrastructure. Our server rooms have been a Windows-free zone ever since.

Works very well and we gain extra savings in simply not having ANY Microsoft CALs to waste time with to suffer Voodoo costings! (We would also need to hire someone full time just to work out the licensing and EULAs!!)


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Message 1584048 - Posted: 9 Oct 2014, 17:54:23 UTC - in response to Message 1583423.  

... Microsoft promised an OS that will be more intuitive...

The Microsoft Marketing must be slipping... From my view, I've noticed how usually such things are not even admitted or alluded to... There is an implicit assumption made that if you can't easily use Windows, then somehow it must be all your fault because "how could anyone not use something that is as easy as child's play?"...

Sooo... Microsoft admits that Windows is not as 'intuitive' as it could be?

For myself, I'm suffering far too many users completely befuddled by the latest incarnation of Outlook (2013) for the almost randomly arranged menues and contorted context conditional routes through to commonly used features. Some frustrated users really do see the thing as a form of voodoo!

(And we've had to employ a new IT Assistant just to help out with the extra calls from the latest 'upgrade'... The common document format ODF to break the .docx/ooxml hegemony can't come soon enough!!)


So what did happen to the clean and clear ideas from Xerox Palo Alto from way back in the 70's for how computers should be easily and reliably usable?...


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Since reading & learning from your "linux" threads for the past few years, I have been installing Openoffice on many of my customers systems as a cost effective way to save them money. Unfortunately, over the past several weeks, my time has been taken up with installing MSOffice on those systems because many of them are now attending university & want MSOffice on their systems.

Using MSOffice on their school/college systems, they wanted software that they're used to. So rather than preach your spiel here on these forums, where many are fully aware of the pluses & minuses of every operating system, maybe it's time you gave up the ghost here & go evangelise to all the schools, colleges, universities & employers that continue to use MSOffice.

Oh, & none of them find any problems with Outlook 2013, for that matter, neither do I.
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Message 1584864 - Posted: 10 Oct 2014, 19:16:25 UTC - in response to Message 1584048.  
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... a form of voodoo!...

Since reading & learning from your "linux" threads for the past few years, I have been installing Openoffice on many of my customers systems as a cost effective way to save them money. Unfortunately, over the past several weeks, my time has been taken up with installing MSOffice on those systems because many of them are now attending university & want MSOffice on their systems. ...

Such is the overwhelming power of very clever and successful Marketing and 'giving away' that Marketed product for cheap or no-cost to schools and students?...

That's quite a clever 'viral' strategy to have the schools do your Marketing and products training for you!


... Oh, & none of them find any problems with Outlook 2013, for that matter, neither do I.

Well, we've got various users with 4GByte-busting ".ost/.pst" files for their Outlook profile, multiple thousands of emails in individual folders and multi-MByte attachments, all of which appear to conspire to bring Outlook and/or their laptops to a halt. Brief relief can be gained by forcing Outlook to do a "compact". The effect is worse for known "heavy"/"unsympathetic" users. (And we've long known that our email limits with the previous mail client software have been more generous than what 'rumor' suggests Outlook can work with...)

For company 'political reasons', we've bulldozed into Outlook on all new laptops. Looks like we now need to do an unusually early 'archiving' to archive most of the email off to an archive area and force everyone to be 'more tidy' with their mails...

We have our own "Cloud" and so there should be less reason for the big email attachments. However, old lazy habits are slow to die for most users...



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Message 1584873 - Posted: 10 Oct 2014, 19:26:19 UTC - in response to Message 1584864.  

So why aren't you preaching to the schools, colleges, universities & employers? Why the continuing evangelism on these boards?
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Message 1584893 - Posted: 10 Oct 2014, 19:59:34 UTC

Is this where Microsoft is buying into reinventing itself and into a new young "userbase"? All a new game?


Microsoft Has Acquired Minecraft For $2.5 Billion

... Mojang makes no assurances about the specific future plans in store for Minecraft, but says that for now it should be business as usual. Microsoft says it “respect[s] the brand and independent spirit” of Minecraft...


Minecraft sold: Microsoft buys Mojang for $2.5bn

... Mojang spokesman Owen Hill and Microsoft have separately sought to reassure fans of the multimillion selling building sim that work on the game will continue unaffected...

Comment:

... A very telling quote. Microsoft are only interested in something like this to "monetise" it, i.e. bleed as much money as possible out of the current user base. Get ready for more subscription based offerings, (maybe an expansion of the Minecraft Realms offering?), and a crackdown on the user built extensions, (unless they are for sale and MS get their cut).

My kids (rightly or wrongly) feel betrayed. They thought "Notch" and friends were a bit different. Sad to see their illusions shattered.



Why Microsoft bought Minecraft: To lure kids to science, Nadella says

... “At Microsoft, we believe in the power of content to unite people,” Spencer wrote. “Minecraft adds diversity to our game portfolio and helps us reach new gamers across multiple platforms.”...

... Yes, Microsoft can use Minecraft as an envoy to other platforms. And Brad Chacos has some good ideas about how Microsoft can do that. But even with more than $85 billion in cash on hand, it’s just mind-boggling. $2.5 billion for Minecraft...




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Message 1584901 - Posted: 10 Oct 2014, 20:08:28 UTC - in response to Message 1584893.  
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With continuing posts such as that one, just shows up Linux geeks as envious.

To return to the Outlook problem. That 2gb/4gb limit has been known about for some considerable time. For home users, that is not an issue.

How is it possible that businesses continue to use & moan about those limits? Aren't their I.T guru's informing them of those issues? There are plenty of other packages out there, so really, it's not a Microsoft problem!

Why are I.T specialists such as yourself moaning about that fact? After all, it is your problem not Microsoft's, not been doing the job you're paid to do by chance?
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Message 1592455 - Posted: 26 Oct 2014, 14:59:49 UTC - in response to Message 1584901.  
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... the Outlook problem. That 2gb/4gb limit has been known about for some considerable time. For home users, that is not an issue.

How is it possible that businesses continue to use & moan about those limits? Aren't their I.T guru's informing them of those issues? There are plenty of other packages out there, so really, it's not a Microsoft problem!

Sorry but that is very much a Microsoft problem. That's a lot like saying: Sorry, we can't be bothered to include balance weights on your automobile wheels. Therefore maximum speed depends on whatever vibration you can tolerate. You then get the after-sales people offering extra expensive extra-padded seats "for your comfort" to push the unnecessary vibration and unnecessary wear and premature failure that little bit uncomfortably quicker... All of that maximizes profits all round and all at the user's discomfort and cost.

I view the Microsoft example of the artificial Outlook limits and fragility to be of a similar nature...

Another example is why-oh-why is 32-bit recommended still when we've been on 64-bit hardware for over a decade!


Our business customers have no care for what size their inbox might be. They just want it to work and all without the inconvenience of having to archive and tidy up and not have big attachments and to be pestered about that every month lest they hit an Outlook limit...


Why are I.T specialists such as yourself moaning about that fact? After all, it is your problem not Microsoft's, not been doing the job you're paid to do by chance?

Not at all. This is where there is a lot of wasted time and disruption suffered for the sake of sloppy cheap practices at Microsoft not meeting present day normal working. Instead, once suckered in, it is the customer's IT that has the unnecessary expense and the client frustrations that some of the Microsoft software is so fragile and temperamental and all with loop-da-loop workarounds that add up to a "Microsoft Knowledge Base" of literally millions of entries!


Any responsible software supplier will fix the source problems to give everyone a better experience, rather than rely upon everyone magically knowing a multitude of workarounds. The prime workaround appears to be that you dare not use the system 'too much' lest it become choked!


There is a saying about how Microsoft has so lowered user expectations... Is that another one of those work-arounds?

So... I know it is easily possible to go beyond 4GBytes... However, so why does Microsoft keep us trapped to such an old artificial limit? Indeed, really is 640kBytes enough for everyone today?...

(Are we being suckered by any chance into buying the next 'upgrade' in the hope that all the problems will be 'fixed' only to have our hopes dashed again? Only to be suckered again into paying for yet another hopeful upgrade...?)


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Message 1592457 - Posted: 26 Oct 2014, 15:06:54 UTC - in response to Message 1592455.  

Another attack that justifies my attitude towards Linux geeks.

I stated that the 4gb limit is not an issue for home users. Businesses are in business to make a profit, so why are they using software with limits? It's not Microsoft's fault that they want to operate on the "cheap".

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Message 1592459 - Posted: 26 Oct 2014, 15:09:51 UTC - in response to Message 1592457.  

... I stated that the 4gb limit is not an issue for home users. Businesses are in business to make a profit, so why are they using software with limits? It's not Microsoft's fault that they want to operate on the "cheap".

Next!

Very good swerve around there...!

Does that demonstrate the Microsoft mentality and indoctrination? That nothing is a bug but merely a feature to be expected... Fantastic Marketing in the face of adversity! :-(


In my view, Marketing and market manipulation is the one thing that Microsoft is best at...

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Message 1592464 - Posted: 26 Oct 2014, 15:18:35 UTC - in response to Message 1592459.  

Not a swerve at all. Just wondering why Linux in the 23 years of its availability has not superseded Microsoft or Apple?

That fact alone implies to me that Linux developers are too set in their ways with their favourite distro that they don't want to make Linux that easy to use for everyone.

Personally, I see Linux as the "Freemasons" of the I.T world.
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