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Message 1407346 - Posted: 24 Aug 2013, 16:38:21 UTC
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In these spooky times, here looks to be another chip taking away our freedoms:


Germany warns: You just CAN'T TRUST some Windows 8 PCs

Microsoft's new touchy Windows 8 operating system is so vulnerable to prying hackers that Germany's businesses and government should not use it, the country's authorities have warned in a series of leaked documents...

... Trusted Computing is a controversial bunch of specifications...

... The tech is designed to stop the use of software and files which do not contain the correct digital rights permissions (thus protecting the property of vendors behind the protocols), including "unauthorised operating systems" (a specific function of the much-maligned Secure Boot). Microsoft argues that Secure Boot protects users from rootkits and other malware attacks. The set of permissions is automatically updated online, outside of the control of the user.

A machine that contains a Trusted Platform Module and runs software adhering to the Trusted Computing specifications is, arguably, under the control of the vendor – in this case Microsoft. It also identifies the machine to the vendor, meaning that users' identities can be linked to their machines as well as their online activities...

... It continued: "The use of 'Trusted Computing'... in this form ... is unacceptable for the federal administration and the operators of critical infrastructure."

Trusted Platform Module 2.0 is considerably more invasive than older versions. Once this is rolled out across all Windows-using PCS, the Germans fear, there will be "simply no way to tell what exactly Microsoft does to its system through remote updates"...

... The Register previously described Trusted Computing as the "widely derided idea of computing secured for, and against, its users"...



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Note: The "TPM" appears to be quite an invidious extension to "DRM"... One campaign against that is the site "Defective By Design".
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Message 1410125 - Posted: 31 Aug 2013, 15:01:51 UTC

Finally, an actual windows kernel bug and not an application bug.
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Message 1413712 - Posted: 10 Sep 2013, 14:06:07 UTC - in response to Message 1410694.  

It also identifies the machine to the vendor, meaning that users' identities can be linked to their machines as well as their online activities...

Haven't we always has this with MAC addresses?

Yes as a unique identifier on a particular section of a network. That is mainly of concern for mobile devices that connect to multiple WiFi hotspots. However, the MAC is not visible beyond the local physical connection, unless it is accessed and used as an "ID number".

And then there are other tricks to gain unique identification regardless of how you connect anywhere to any network anywhere in the world.


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Message 1413714 - Posted: 10 Sep 2013, 14:14:53 UTC

Further uproar and belatedness?...


Developers force Microsoft to release Windows 8.1 early

An outcry by programmers has forced Microsoft to give them early access to Windows 8.1...

... Microsoft has now given coders access to 8.1 so they can start testing and developing before the public release...

... Microsoft's strong developer community were unhappy with the change Microsoft made with 8.1, particularly as the new version made changes to its appearance and the way programs can work with it...



Is this all a Marketing game to generate some press and also give a certain favoured few anti-competitive advantages for certain products?...

Regardless, I personally consider all this to be very odd unprofessional manoeuvrings.


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Message 1417213 - Posted: 18 Sep 2013, 14:40:00 UTC
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Following on from certain pseudo-religious connotations proffered in the Linux thread: "Thus it comes to pass here on Windows8":


Microsoft relents: 'Go ahead, install Windows 8.1 on clean PCs'

Updated Microsoft says that in addition to offering Windows 8.1 as a free update for Windows 8 users in October, it will also be easier for customers to buy versions of Windows 8.1 that don't require an upgrade from a previous edition of the OS...



Redmond slips out temporary emergency fix for IE 0-day

Stepping outside its normal Patch Tuesday cycle, Microsoft has rolled out an emergency fix to an Internet Explorer bug that was under active malware attack.

This advisory provides access to “Fix it For Me”, with a more detailed outline of the CVE-2013-3893 vulnerability here. All versions of IE 6 to 10 are affected...



And that is after the "Microsoft patch Tuesday" was itself re-patched!... All rather unfortunate...


Windows being made easier to install? How long still?...

Strange how the Windows acolytes have no comment to make?

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Message 1417252 - Posted: 18 Sep 2013, 16:25:45 UTC - in response to Message 1417213.  

Strange how the Windows acolytes have no comment to make?


Maybe I agree with several of your complaints about Windows lately, and/or I've stopped bothering to engage in an OS war with you because you seem to thrive on the rivalry - forcing me to be in the position of Windows Defender, a position I do not want, while you continue in your very anti-Windows rhetoric and Pro-Linux evangelicalism.

You can complain as much as you want about Windows and proclaim Linux's superiority all you want. I no longer care to argue. I simply know that I enjoy using Windows; still tire of your anti-Windows rhetoric; and still find Linux (as a Desktop OS) more difficult to use than should be necessary for my style of computing.

I thought MS closing down Technet would be the nail in the coffin for me to make the switch, but that lesson was quickly re-learned in being unable to get anything to work correctly, and I haven't the motivation or time to figure it out when it simply works (very well, I might add) in Windows.

Use whatever OS makes you happy.
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Message 1417263 - Posted: 18 Sep 2013, 16:41:12 UTC - in response to Message 1417252.  

because you seem to thrive on the rivalry

I can't seem to find a difference between him and another poster who uses initials in this matter.

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Message 1417273 - Posted: 18 Sep 2013, 17:18:48 UTC - in response to Message 1417252.  

... lesson was quickly re-learned in being unable to get anything to work correctly, and I haven't the motivation or time to figure it out when it simply works (very well, I might add) in Windows.

Use whatever OS makes you happy.

I agree.

If it ain't broke, don't "fix" it to be something different...


But then also, times change and new things can be good. However, change for the sake of Marketing is change I think we can all do without...

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Message 1424306 - Posted: 5 Oct 2013, 1:12:29 UTC - in response to Message 1417273.  
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... lesson was quickly re-learned in being unable to get anything to work correctly, and I haven't the motivation or time to figure it out when it simply works (very well, I might add) in Windows.

Use whatever OS makes you happy.

I agree.

If it ain't broke, don't "fix" it to be something different...


But then also, times change and new things can be good. However, change for the sake of Marketing is change I think we can all do without...


And yet...



500 MEELLION PCs still run Windows XP. How did we get here?

Just six months to go: what to do if you don't have $200 per PC...

Six months from now, on 8 April 2014, Microsoft will stop pushing out security updates for Windows XP – and that's going to be a big deal...

... still running Microsoft’s 13-year-old client operating system...



How has such a costly and crippling debacle come to pass?...


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Message 1424439 - Posted: 5 Oct 2013, 5:24:11 UTC - in response to Message 1424306.  

I am one of those still using XP. I run it on 4 boxes.

Why ? Because it does what I want, is stable, runs quite happily on a C2D processor with 2GB of RAM (both quads and duos) and just "ticks over".

I use these computers for SAH, video editing and encoding, as media server and other high usage applications and it has never let me down. I get the occasional BSOD but I also suffered lockups with Linux, particularly since the introduction of KDE 4.

I have Win 7 on my work computer and in all honesty there is no difference in the performance between XP and Win 7 (and to be honest, there has been very little difference in performance, despite much more powerful hardware since 98SE). One would be entitled think that an "upgrade" should provide a performance boost, not just require more resources to provide the same performance level.

e.g. Using the Cool Edit audio editing program, there was a massive boost in performance when going from a DX2-66 processor with 30MB of RAM on Win 3.1 to a P2/266 with 250MB on Win 95. However, there was nowhere near the same boost (if any) when I went to XP on a 2.4 Ghz Celeron with 1GB RAM (and when this box only had 500MB of RAM it was a slug).

It's obvious that the OS itself was consuming more and more resources and that more powerful hardware was required just to run the OS at the same speed, never mind what the applications required. e.g. Check the processor usage of "Windows Explorer" under XP. Even on a 3GHz P4, it can take up to 50% of the processor time.

In my opinion, an "upgrade" should make more efficient use of resources rather than requiring more just to stay in the same place. Does anyone really think that Office 2010 is faster than Office 97, even on an I7 compared to a P4 ?

Therefore I will stick with XP until it becomes unusable. I'm sure that when M$ stops support for XP that companies like AVG will step into the gap, particularly when there is a market of 500 million to be catered for.

In fact the only reason I have stuck with Windows at all is is because the SAH optimised apps for Windows were much more efficient than those for Linux. As I'm winding back my involvement with SAH due to financial reasons (the cost of running multiple computers 24/7 and the associated cooling costs) I will probably eventually move my "daily driver" to Linux and keep one XP machine for the programs for which there is no suitable Linux equivalent. Afterall, QX9650's with 4GB of RAM ain't dead yet.

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Message 1425076 - Posted: 7 Oct 2013, 1:49:30 UTC
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All a part of IT support... (Thankfully, this isn't a critical one!)

So, I want to install a software package from a supplier that hasn't paid vast sums of money to Microsoft... The result?...

"Life is, as usual, more complex for Windows users. There is no sane packaging system under Windows which lets software packages express their dependencies and arrange for other software to be installed to meet their requirements. Therefore, we have created a Windows installer for xxxxx which will attempt to download and install the various requirements..."


Which means I have to waste human time to run through a paper list of what 'other stuff' is needed to make it all work. Phah!


No wonder I moved off Windows over a decade ago...

Times move on, fast.


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Message 1425088 - Posted: 7 Oct 2013, 2:44:42 UTC - in response to Message 1425076.  

All a part of IT support... (Thankfully, this isn't a critical one!)

So, I want to install a software package from a supplier that hasn't paid vast sums of money to Microsoft... The result?...

"Life is, as usual, more complex for Windows users. There is no sane packaging system under Windows which lets software packages express their dependencies and arrange for other software to be installed to meet their requirements. Therefore, we have created a Windows installer for xxxxx which will attempt to download and install the various requirements..."


Which means I have to waste human time to run through a paper list of what 'other stuff' is needed to make it all work. Phah!


No wonder I moved off Windows over a decade ago...

Times move on, fast.


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Blow it out your barracks bag Martin. If Linux is so damn easy billions of folks would be useing it. They are not. Why you ask? Your the braniacs cant you figure it out?

No 1. ISO burns for some downloads. Take a normal person with no computer skills ( I will add my self to that group) Then when they want to try out your great product, Has to do an ISO burn guess what? It aint getting done. ( and yes I did do the ISO burn, But Im not impressed with linux for my needs.)

No 2. If I cant use my favorite program, Why bother to download gods greatest gift for an operatinmg system?

No 3. I dont see big time gamers jumping on the Linux system.

So why dont you give it rest.
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Message 1425129 - Posted: 7 Oct 2013, 5:08:01 UTC - in response to Message 1425076.  

When the requirement document says that all software has to use free libraries and can't use any of the windows supplied libraries ... an unnatural requirement bound to cause issues ...
There is no sane packaging system under Windows which lets software packages express their dependencies and arrange for other software to be installed to meet their requirements. Therefore, we have created a Windows installer for xxxxx which will attempt to download and install the various requirements.

Free software always costs more in support time ...


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Message 1425209 - Posted: 7 Oct 2013, 11:58:43 UTC - in response to Message 1425076.  

Which means I have to waste human time to run through a paper list of what 'other stuff' is needed to make it all work. Phah!


A software developer that knows their own library requirements should include all packages along with their own (if they are not already part of the OS) to make it work. You should be blaming them for not including this 'other stuff' and not the entire Windows platform itself.
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Message 1425217 - Posted: 7 Oct 2013, 12:37:29 UTC - in response to Message 1425088.  

Blow it out your barracks bag Martin. If Linux is so damn easy billions of folks would be useing it. They are not. Why you ask? Your the braniacs cant you figure it out?

No 1. ISO burns for some downloads. Take a normal person with no computer skills ( I will add my self to that group) Then when they want to try out your great product, Has to do an ISO burn guess what? It aint getting done. ( and yes I did do the ISO burn, But Im not impressed with linux for my needs.)

No 2. If I cant use my favorite program, Why bother to download gods greatest gift for an operatinmg system?

No 3. I dont see big time gamers jumping on the Linux system.

So why dont you give it rest.

You keep going on about burning an ISO like it's a massive challenge, anyone with any CD burning software can do it very easily in a couple of clicks. I'd say burning an ISO is easier than burning a normal CD with pictures or music, since everything you need is all there in one file.

There is an issue with software support i'll admit. Much commercial or proprietary software won't run under Linux, but developers are starting to fix that by offering packages or Windows, Mac and Linux.
Ditto gamers, i'm not one myself, most complex game i run is Minecraft, which being Java based runs perfectly on pretty much anything. I do have a couple of older PC games, Age of Empires II, Max Payne and Timeshock, all of which run no problem in Wine.

Linux isn't perfect for everyone, i've never said it is, but for many users who do simple stuff like Email, Internet, Word processing, even up to more complicated stuff like DVD editing and web design, Linux is a very capable and free alternative to closed and bloated Windows.
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Message 1425318 - Posted: 7 Oct 2013, 17:22:19 UTC - in response to Message 1425088.  
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Windows is for the lazy sheeple, Linux is for real men.


EDIT: Y'all go ahead and continue renting Windows.


All a part of IT support... (Thankfully, this isn't a critical one!)

So, I want to install a software package from a supplier that hasn't paid vast sums of money to Microsoft... The result?...

"Life is, as usual, more complex for Windows users. There is no sane packaging system under Windows which lets software packages express their dependencies and arrange for other software to be installed to meet their requirements. Therefore, we have created a Windows installer for xxxxx which will attempt to download and install the various requirements..."


Which means I have to waste human time to run through a paper list of what 'other stuff' is needed to make it all work. Phah!


No wonder I moved off Windows over a decade ago...

Times move on, fast.


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Blow it out your barracks bag Martin. If Linux is so damn easy billions of folks would be useing it. They are not. Why you ask? Your the braniacs cant you figure it out?

No 1. ISO burns for some downloads. Take a normal person with no computer skills ( I will add my self to that group) Then when they want to try out your great product, Has to do an ISO burn guess what? It aint getting done. ( and yes I did do the ISO burn, But Im not impressed with linux for my needs.)

No 2. If I cant use my favorite program, Why bother to download gods greatest gift for an operatinmg system?

No 3. I dont see big time gamers jumping on the Linux system.

So why dont you give it rest.

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Message 1425340 - Posted: 7 Oct 2013, 18:01:07 UTC - in response to Message 1425318.  
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Windows is for the lazy sheeple, Linux is for real men.


EDIT: Y'all go ahead and continue renting Windows.


What kind of response is this? Really? So you're going to put down James because he prefers to use Windows over Linux and at the same time implicate a lack of manhood in doing so?

I've never understood the competitive side of people using insults or put-downs a a method of proving their superiority over others. I guess that's why I don't get into sports.
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Message 1425400 - Posted: 7 Oct 2013, 20:28:58 UTC - in response to Message 1425357.  

Obviously secure in his manhood :)





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Message 1425651 - Posted: 8 Oct 2013, 7:08:13 UTC - in response to Message 1425340.  
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Windows is for the lazy sheeple, Linux is for real men.


EDIT: Y'all go ahead and continue renting Windows.


What kind of response is this? Really? So you're going to put down James because he prefers to use Windows over Linux and at the same time implicate a lack of manhood in doing so?

I've never understood the competitive side of people using insults or put-downs a a method of proving their superiority over others. I guess that's why I don't get into sports.

Dont sweat it Unkown tester. Let the linux He-men have there laugh. I use Windows and have used a Mac wich was a tad different from windows but was a very fast learning. I even tried Linux. I didnt like it. So now I must be labled as half a man. So be it. There just pissed beacause the world isnt beating a path to the Linux door.
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Message 1425721 - Posted: 8 Oct 2013, 13:35:00 UTC - in response to Message 1425651.  

Windows is for the lazy sheeple, Linux is for real men.


EDIT: Y'all go ahead and continue renting Windows.


What kind of response is this? Really? So you're going to put down James because he prefers to use Windows over Linux and at the same time implicate a lack of manhood in doing so?

I've never understood the competitive side of people using insults or put-downs a a method of proving their superiority over others. I guess that's why I don't get into sports.

Dont sweat it Unkown tester. Let the linux He-men have there laugh. I use Windows and have used a Mac wich was a tad different from windows but was a very fast learning. I even tried Linux. I didnt like it. So now I must be labled as half a man. So be it. There just pissed beacause the world isnt beating a path to the Linux door.

There is a simple reason for that, and that is there are fifty million different versions of it, all incompatible. Can't distribute a binary that works. Its fatal flaw.

Now it works well in a sealed box. So putting it in a router ...

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