Along with the good design, we have the FLOSS peer review to keep that good.

We sure do.

Yes Gary. A website was hacked once 2 years ago. Lots of websites get hacked.

Certainly seems like an Admin problem rather than a software problem? That's just my take on it.

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Along with the good design, we have the FLOSS peer review to keep that good.

We sure do.

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... One of those you tout at unbreakable...

Yet more trolling we see... Hope you're not on your way around the bend in spitting such desperations...


I've never touted any OS or system as being 'unbreakable'.

However, we have systems that have been designed from the outset to be secure. The *nix model of system permission still works well and has survived the test of time. In the Linux world, we also have "security enhanced" additions that sacrifice flexibility for systems that need some 'higher' level of security. However, that enhanced security is only for the paranoid. We'd hear about it very quickly in the world news headlines for any significant failure for everyday use Linux! Along with the good design, we have the FLOSS peer review to keep that good.

Not seen any such headlines other than the usual development noise ;-)

Note also that no amount of FLOSS stops anyone taking old code to misuse in their own individual haste or ignorance...


We also have notably one system in the world that has proven to be vulnerable to real world exploits continuously for well over a decade that has spawned a new industry of 3rd party software to try to patch up and patch over the deficiencies of the OS and the vulnerable tightly integrated applications...

The continuing litany of exploits exploited speaks far more eloquently than I. So much so that for a certain one OS, even severe exploits are so commonplace as to be no longer news worthy unless there is a story for collateral damage.


I still believe that Microsoft Windows is unique in effectively requiring the everyday use of "anti-virus" software... And whatever 'antivirus' is never a reliable or complete solution.

IT is what we make it...
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So you won't be posting about Windoze being open again when it is the application Internet Explorer, or the application Active X or the application Flash, or any other application. Only when someone attacks the windoze kernel, not some support service.

BTW, if it was the web service application at twitter, was that a FOSS application? One of those you tout at unbreakable because lots of eyeballs look at it?

Not for nothing but it's no secret that Windows (the kernel) and it's applications have way more security holes than the other 2 main OS's out there (Mac and Linux).

And no one said Open source software is 100% safe either.

And as far as web services, Apache runs more than half the Internet. It's safe to say it's been pretty resistant to widespread hacking.

And no matter what Software or OS you use, there is always the issue of user error...

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#resist

the real question is can we trust the people that are supposed to know things to actually know them.

My Boss doesn't know the difference between an OS and an LIS. This is no lie. I told her that the IT guys were updating Computers from dual core intels to quad core i5's. I was informed that the PC updates were intended so that we could migrate to Windows 7.
I notified my boss of this and she exclaimed, "they can't upgrade to Windows 7 we need Windows 9 for the LIS to work properly."

I let it go. the WTF look and head shaking didn't phase her a bit. the next LIS upgrade we can do is 9.0 I needed an LIS question answered and decided to confirm what I already knew. can our current LIS work on Windows 7. Certainly without a problem. I get tired of nitwits thinking they sound important by rattling of names and numbers of OSes or programs and have little idea what they are talking about. So far, in the last year, she has made massive inroads into why computer illiterate people shouldn't play with Programs others need to use for their work

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the peter principle


The principle holds that in a hierarchy, members are promoted so long as they work competently. Eventually they are promoted to a position at which they are no longer competent (their "level of incompetence"), and there they remain, being unable to earn further promotions. Peter's Corollary states that "[i]n time, every post tends to be occupied by an employee who is incompetent to carry out its duties"[2] and adds that "work is accomplished by those employees who have not yet reached their level of incompetence." "Managing upward" is the concept of a subordinate finding ways to subtly manipulate his or her superiors in order to prevent them from interfering with the subordinate's productive activity or to generally limit the damage done by the superiors' incompetence.

this goes double for government.

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Just wonder which Linux kernel the phone is running. And is the bug allowing the overwrite present in other flavors of that kernel running on other devices.

Well with all the 1000's of posts on this forum alone regarding O/S'es & their weaknesses, just wonder what happened to the peer review in this case!

Also, with the Red October issue - Isn't many of those systems run by governments/corporations running linux?

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redmont does not do peer review and there not faults their feature's. lol

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As a precaution, Lord says Twitter has reset the passwords of all 250,000 affected accounts – which, he observes, is just "a small percentage" of the more than 140 million Twitter users worldwide. ...

Now granted this is just twitter. But still somebody got in and hacked 250,000 peoples passwords and whatever. Would Mr Lord have been so smug if it was 250,000 passwords to bank accounts. O we caught it in minutes he said. Still some one got in peroid.

And I think you will find more attemps at breaking in the future. Why you ask, beacause any teenager can crack windows. Now they will come after your OS because you say it cant be done.

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Old James

So you won't be posting about Windoze being open again when it is the application Internet Explorer, or the application Active X or the application Flash, or any other application. Only when someone attacks the windoze kernel, not some support service.

BTW, if it was the web service application at twitter, was that a FOSS application? One of those you tout at unbreakable because lots of eyeballs look at it?

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Isn't twitter running linux?

How childishly expected from you and so unhelpfully so... Do you EVER have anything positive or useful to offer?


Just to clear up your latest one-liner mud-slinging:

As I'm sure you just must know...

"Linux" is the kernel. The system is so 'secure' that any problems there make WORLD HEADLINE NEWS if anything were to be found. Do you hear many examples? Thought not.

The commonly used combination to put an Operating System together is GNU/Linux. The system is so 'secure' that any problems there make WORLD HEADLINE NEWS if anything were to be found. Do you hear many examples? Thought not.

And then you have a fantastic universe of applications that run on GNU/Linux. Websites and their support services are just one of many very widely use applications.

For the Twitter story, note:

Twitter breach leaks emails, passwords of 250,000 users

... "This week, we detected unusual access patterns that led to us identifying unauthorized access attempts to Twitter user data," Bob Lord, Twitter's director of information security, writes in a blog post.

According to Lord, Twitter was able to shut down the attack within moments of discovering it, but not before the attackers were able to make off with what he calls "limited user information," including usernames, email addresses, session tokens, and the encrypted and salted versions of passwords.

The encryption on such passwords is generally difficult to crack – but it's not impossible, particularly if the attacker is familiar with the algorithm used to encrypt them.

As a precaution, Lord says Twitter has reset the passwords of all 250,000 affected accounts – which, he observes, is just "a small percentage" of the more than 140 million Twitter users worldwide. ...


So... Compared to the calamities of certain other systems, that one looks to be pretty damn good and a fast response to an application attack.

If anything, that is more a reminder of the inherent vulnerabilities of using passwords and security cookies. All the more so for hosts where the hosts are easily compromised. There's also a few hints that the ongoing suffering Java problems may be implicated. (Also note that Java is NOT Javascript.)

Next?


IT is what we make it...
Martin

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Take a look for yourself: Linux Format
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All those Twits?...


Twitter: Account hack affects 250,000 users

... Twitter's information security director Bob Lord said about 250,000 users' passwords had been stolen, as well as usernames, emails and other data. ...


IT is what we make it...
Martin

Isn't twitter running linux?

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Can we 'trust' IT Marketing 'tricks'?...

Here's just two examples:


Netbooks were a GOOD thing and we threw them under a bus

... Differing goals

Google could make Android a serious contender as a "good enough" netbook OS in a very short timeframe. The web giant won't because it views Android as its touch-based consumptive tablet and phone OS, and ChromeOS as the desktop replacement. ChromeOS is entirely reliant on internet connectivity and keeps you trapped into doing everything using SaaS apps; great for Google because it can ruthlessly invade your privacy in order to sell more advertisements. Bad for us because it cripples the OS in order to achieve this goal.

Microsoft, similarly, has little interest in meeting the needs of people using computers on the go. Instead, we get this enormous bloated operating system that takes up way too much space and costs too much power. (Let's all have a nice long conversation about WinSXS and free space on your Surface tablets over time, shall we?) Microsoft's OS licensing is byzantine – in the case of VDI it is outright insulting – and the uncrippled versions only run on Intel's "not-quite-all-day" chips. That's without getting into the ridiculous farce that is the Metro user interface. ...


Part of one good comment from the comments:

... Problem in a nutshell. Netbooks were too good; they cannibalised laptops. So the industry decided collectively to sell expensive ultrabooks, and tablets that are not actually good enough for any daily work. Problem solved.




Chinese web company faked Microsoft patch to force download

... warning for unfair competition, alleging the firm used its security software to trick users into downloading its browser. ...



IT is what we make it...
Martin

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See new freedom: Mageia Linux
Take a look for yourself: Linux Format
The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3)

All those Twits?...


Twitter: Account hack affects 250,000 users

... Twitter's information security director Bob Lord said about 250,000 users' passwords had been stolen, as well as usernames, emails and other data. ...


IT is what we make it...
Martin

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See new freedom: Mageia Linux
Take a look for yourself: Linux Format
The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3)

All those fancy interwebs.

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I get tired of nitwits thinking they sound important by rattling of names and numbers of OSes or programs and have little idea what they are talking about.

I can relate. Just tossing words/names out to make people think they are a big shot. The hard part is to keep a straight face.

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the real question is can we trust the people that are supposed to know things to actually know them.

My Boss doesn't know the difference between an OS and an LIS. This is no lie. I told her that the IT guys were updating Computers from dual core intels to quad core i5's. I was informed that the PC updates were intended so that we could migrate to Windows 7.
I notified my boss of this and she exclaimed, "they can't upgrade to Windows 7 we need Windows 9 for the LIS to work properly."

I let it go. the WTF look and head shaking didn't phase her a bit. the next LIS upgrade we can do is 9.0 I needed an LIS question answered and decided to confirm what I already knew. can our current LIS work on Windows 7. Certainly without a problem. I get tired of nitwits thinking they sound important by rattling of names and numbers of OSes or programs and have little idea what they are talking about. So far, in the last year, she has made massive inroads into why computer illiterate people shouldn't play with Programs others need to use for their work

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In a rich man's house there is no place to spit but his face.
Diogenes Of Sinope

Can we really trust bankers and their banking, let alone their IT?...


Why banks are likely to face more software glitches in 2013

The money men appear to be accident prone.

Recent months have seen banks and other financial services hit by a variety of software faults. ...

... So what's going wrong?

The core of the problem is that the business software used by the institutions has become horrifically complex...

... There's a buzzword, coined by the American programmer Ward Cunningham, for the problems hidden in computer systems as a result of corners being cut : technical debt.

The idea is that IT bosses have allowed a certain amount of "unfixed" code to accumulate in order to roll-out new facilities on schedule. But as the debt has grown, so has the risk...

... The consequence may be that we have to be prepared for further software failures so long as the firms involved allow their technical debts to mount.



IT is what we make it...
Martin

Ah, same thing happens when the city paves the new sub-division but can't fix the potholes downtown. Looks like you are describing humans again.

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Can we really trust bankers and their banking, let alone their IT?...


Why banks are likely to face more software glitches in 2013

The money men appear to be accident prone.

Recent months have seen banks and other financial services hit by a variety of software faults. ...

... So what's going wrong?

The core of the problem is that the business software used by the institutions has become horrifically complex...

... There's a buzzword, coined by the American programmer Ward Cunningham, for the problems hidden in computer systems as a result of corners being cut : technical debt.

The idea is that IT bosses have allowed a certain amount of "unfixed" code to accumulate in order to roll-out new facilities on schedule. But as the debt has grown, so has the risk...

... The consequence may be that we have to be prepared for further software failures so long as the firms involved allow their technical debts to mount.



IT is what we make it...
Martin

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See new freedom: Mageia Linux
Take a look for yourself: Linux Format
The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3)

This is a better game!

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So you'll have no cause for complaint when the Pentagon gets hacked again!

You won't either. "Shall we play a game?"

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So you'll have no cause for complaint when the Pentagon gets hacked again!

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