Author or his estate owns the copyright. He can sell or rent it, in part or in whole. Usually it is rented in part for a specified term. Once the term is over the Author regains 100% of the rights.

Google is attempting an end run around this. It wants to buy rights from publishers that the publishers don't own to sell.

Google doesn't want to have to negotiate with a cast of thousands. Hollywood faces a similar problem when it makes a movie. Every scrap of anything heard or seen has to get a copyright clearance. They can do it. Google can do it too. Google cries that it will cost them too much. I say get a more profitable business plan and don't leach off others.

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Im wondering if google has plans to charge the inetnet reader to see it?

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I don't think they do. It appears the courts actually look favorable at the Google plan which doesnt ask for money. Seems a nice idea and yet we still cant d/l music. Isn't it Ironic that we can read it but not listen. Hmmm seems like sense prejudice

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Im wondering if google has plans to charge the inetnet reader to see it?

Does your TV station charge you to watch an OTA program? Well, they do in England, but not in the USA. However they seem able to turn a profit off other people's work.

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I don't think they do. It appears the courts actually look favorable at the Google plan which doesnt ask for money. Seems a nice idea and yet we still cant d/l music. Isn't it Ironic that we can read it but not listen. Hmmm seems like sense prejudice

getting tired of mugwumps and name calling

Music is special. It is subject to not only copyright but another right called "performance right."

So here is how bad it gets. You have the song writer. You have the lyric writer. You have the arranger. You have the musicians. You have the people that record the played music. All of them have separate rights to the music. To make a copy you have to secure the right to do so from all of them.

IP lawyers make more than any other because the shallow end of the pool is deeper than the Marianas Trench.

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I don't think they do. It appears the courts actually look favorable at the Google plan which doesnt ask for money. Seems a nice idea and yet we still cant d/l music. Isn't it Ironic that we can read it but not listen. Hmmm seems like sense prejudice

getting tired of mugwumps and name calling

Music is special. It is subject to not only copyright but another right called "performance right."

So here is how bad it gets. You have the song writer. You have the lyric writer. You have the arranger. You have the musicians. You have the people that record the played music. All of them have separate rights to the music. To make a copy you have to secure the right to do so from all of them.

IP lawyers make more than any other because the shallow end of the pool is deeper than the Marianas Trench.

But books can also have many people involved. Author(s), typists, photographers, illustrators, content editors, gramatical and spelling editors, page setters etc.

... So here is how bad it gets. You have the song writer. You have the lyric writer. You have the arranger. You have the musicians. You have the people that record the played music. All of them have separate rights to the music. To make a copy you have to secure the right to do so from all of them.

IP lawyers make more than any other because the shallow end of the pool is deeper than the Marianas Trench.

But books can also have many people involved. Author(s), typists, photographers, illustrators, content editors, gramatical and spelling editors, page setters etc.

And lawyers are the only ones to profit from Byzantine 'bureaucracy'...


Meanwhile, here's an interesting possibility for a better future for culture and all of us, including those people that are genuinely the ones who are creating:

'No discernible increase in piracy' from DRM-free e-books

A little over a year ago, Speculative Science Fiction publisher Tor decided to do away with digital rights management (DRM) for its e-books.

The company's publisher Tom Doherty said that the time that authors were supportive because DRM frustrates readers. “It prevents them from using legitimately-purchased e-books in perfectly legal ways, like moving them from one kind of e-reader to another,” Doherty said.

A year later and Tor has revealed what happened next.

Nothing.

Or nothing discernible, to be precise.

The company recently posted a summary of its experiences in which it says “ … we’ve seen no discernible increase in piracy on any of our titles, despite them being DRM-free for nearly a year.”

But the publisher has seen plenty of upside, described as follows by Tor UK editorial director Julie Crisp: ...



So why all this 'legal silliness' driving people unto their death?


Only in the USA?
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So by the USA rules, why does this:


Skype with care – Microsoft is reading everything you write

... The server indicated a potential replay attack. It turned out that an IP address which traced back to Microsoft had accessed the HTTPS URLs previously transmitted over Skype. Heise Security then reproduced the events by sending two test HTTPS URLs, one containing login information and one pointing to a private cloud-based file-sharing service. A few hours after their Skype messages, they observed the following...

... meant that Skype would have to comply with US laws on eavesdropping...



not mean a similar death to those corporate perpetrators?...


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Don't start me on Skype , Microsoft can shuve Skype right up there koiter . I lost most of my contacts on win live messenger and the dam thing doesn't tell me if I got email anymore so they can stick it up there $%$%%$% ass for all I care and it used to be connected to yahoo and I lost a lot of contacts on that too

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So by the USA rules, why does this:


Skype with care – Microsoft is reading everything you write

... The server indicated a potential replay attack. It turned out that an IP address which traced back to Microsoft had accessed the HTTPS URLs previously transmitted over Skype. Heise Security then reproduced the events by sending two test HTTPS URLs, one containing login information and one pointing to a private cloud-based file-sharing service. A few hours after their Skype messages, they observed the following...

... meant that Skype would have to comply with US laws on eavesdropping...



not mean a similar death to those corporate perpetrators?...


Only in the USA?
Martin

Skype TOS

(n) Content of instant messaging communications, voicemails, and video messages

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Skype TOS

(n) Content of instant messaging communications, voicemails, and video messages

"Fair" and "reasonable"? Or open abuse?

Note how such conditions are very likely illegal/untenable for voice calls made over old fashioned wires... Why should the internet be any different?


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Note how such conditions are very likely illegal/untenable for voice calls made over old fashioned wires... Why should the internet be any different?

It is digital and therefore data and not analog and therefore voice.

But even you can't understand why it MUST be there. For an IM, it isn't transmitted peer to peer, so at some point it MUST reside on Skype's server. Even if only for a few nano-seconds they have to disclose this.

Now I agree once delivered it should be erased PDQ, but the legal eagles have the door open and data mining is the future of profit, so even a rock can see where the path leads.

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More bodies to be sacrificed?


Press exposure of Federal data security hole leads to legal threats

An investigation into a security slip that left the identity information for over 170,000 users of a US federal government program publicly available online has led to accusations of hacking and legal threats. ...

... two of the commercial companies in the scheme, TerraCom and affiliate YourTel America, had cached application forms for Lifeline on unsecured web servers – forms containing names, Social Security numbers, dates of birth, and details of other government programs potential users were registered for.

"Every single piece of information that we either viewed, or used to view records, was all 100 per cent publicly accessible," reporter Isaac Wolf told The Register. "It was all freely posted online and was not password protected." ...

Before publishing the story, Scripps got in contact with the companies involved and asked for an interview. While the security hole was quickly fixed and users' data password-protected, the investigative team received not an interview but a legal letter threatening prosecution under the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act (CFAA). ...

... The controversial CFAA legislation – introduced in 1986, before the World Wide Web even existed – was the legislation used to prosecute internet activist Aaron Swartz. It's currently under review in Congress, although politicians are looking to extend its reach, rather than reforming the law.

Under a strict interpretation of the CFAA, lying about your age on a dating site could be criminal as well as stupid, and a clever lawyer might argue that a script like Wget constitutes an attempt to hack a site. If so, then jail time and fines can be levied. ...



SO... 170000 years in jail for that one then?! Or death, whichever comes first?


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Martin, you could have at least said it was from the shark for companies' who were embarrassed by their own stupidity and not from any governmental source. Obviously written by some damn wet behind the ears fool trying to bluster to prevent the story being printed. Lies and falsehoods are common in such letters.

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Two more examples of the USA corruption?


Edward Snowden, NSA files source: 'If they want to get you, in time they will'

... Q: Do you see yourself as another Bradley Manning?

A: "Manning was a classic whistleblower. He was inspired by the public good."

Q: Do you think what you have done is a crime?

A: "We have seen enough criminality on the part of government. It is hypocritical to make this allegation against me. They have narrowed the public sphere of influence."

Q: What do you think is going to happen to you?

A: "Nothing good." ...


Hacker who helped find Steubenville rapists threatened with decade in prison

While the rapists get minimum sentence and rehab...

... While El Reg doesn’t condone criminal hacking or cracking, it does seem somewhat ridiculous that a person can face such a light sentence for sexual assault (the victim's attackers are due to be moved to a no-bars rehabilitation center next week) while someone who may have helped expose the crime faces ten years hard time.



Two more persecutions? Two more to be legally persecuted unto death?

Only in the USA?

Martin

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We have known this for years the lunatics are running the asylum.

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Hacker who helped find Steubenville rapists threatened with decade in prison

While the rapists get minimum sentence and rehab...

... While El Reg doesn’t condone criminal hacking or cracking, it does seem somewhat ridiculous that a person can face such a light sentence for sexual assault (the victim's attackers are due to be moved to a no-bars rehabilitation center next week) while someone who may have helped expose the crime faces ten years hard time.

Interesting that there is no criminal complaint filed in the case that I can find as of today. So how do they come up with a minimum of ten years if there isn't even an allegation filed? FUD?

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Hacker who helped find Steubenville rapists threatened with decade in prison

While the rapists get minimum sentence and rehab...

... While El Reg doesn’t condone criminal hacking or cracking, it does seem somewhat ridiculous that a person can face such a light sentence for sexual assault (the victim's attackers are due to be moved to a no-bars rehabilitation center next week) while someone who may have helped expose the crime faces ten years hard time.

Interesting that there is no criminal complaint filed in the case that I can find as of today. So how do they come up with a minimum of ten years if there isn't even an allegation filed? FUD?

In that case, the situation is worse still:

The THREAT is there. The possibility is there. All just waiting for the arbitrary whim of some petty bureaucrat to selectively/arbitrarily/corruptly play judge and jury as to whether the threat is executed?

FUD?...


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The THREAT is there.

Oh, that threat. The same one that today might be the day there is a cop who sees you running that stop sign you run every day and he decides to write you a ticket. Don't do the crime unless you can do the time. That is how the criminal justice system works, by imposing punishment. It seems you don't get this concept.

BTW defacing a website is a crime. He could have just e-mailed the stuff to the press, but he didn't. Maybe you think defacing a website should be treated the same as a spray paint can on a wall. They can and do treat that as a felony if it costs enough to repaint the wall. Don't do the crime unless you can do the time.

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The THREAT is there.

Oh, that threat. ...

Oh, so you are happy to be victim to any petty over-empowered (corrupt?) bureaucrat that takes a fancy to you or your property?...


Only in the USA?...
Martin

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