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Message 1390176 - Posted: 12 Jul 2013, 16:37:04 UTC - in response to Message 1389772.  
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So... Persecution into exile, for:


On a much smaller scale but looks like official persecution just the same:


Boat Race protester Trenton Oldfield ordered to leave UK

The Australian activist who disrupted the 2012 Oxford v Cambridge Boat Race in protest at government cuts has been ordered to leave the country, after receiving a six-month jail term that many thought was severe. ...


Had we not stopped deporting people to Australia some long time ago?!


Who next?


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Message 1396399 - Posted: 30 Jul 2013, 0:35:45 UTC

Strange developments?...


US policy overhaul is key for Aaron's Law protection

An overhaul of the US Computer Fraud and Abuse Act (CFAA) is sorely needed in order to better protect users from overly harsh and invasive government prosecution...

... Swartz's case was used by the panelists as a textbook example of just what is wrong with the CFAA. First drafted as a means to protect vital government and financial infrastructure, the CFAA has since been expanded to the point where users can face criminal charges for little more than violating a provider's terms of service (TOS).

... “If you go above and beyond what a website says you can do, you are potentially violating criminal law. They can turn this law into a sword that they can use against anybody whose politics they don't like.”

... the vague and open nature of the law also leaves ordinary citizens and researchers open to criminal charges and legal intimidation from vendors.

For cases such as those of Andrew 'Weev' Auernheimer, the researcher who faces years in prison for gathering email addresses as part of research into security flaws at AT&T, the CFAA provides a dangerous precedent that threatens legitimate security work...




Car hackers' appearance on the 'Today' show was important because they were on the 'Today' show

... on the program's set to demonstrate how they can compromise the internal computing system of a test Ford Escape to manipulate the car's speedometer and control its steering wheel. The pair will formally present the research on Friday morning at the annual DefCon gathering in Las Vegas.

And while the NBC segment certainly underscored for the mainstream how vulnerable to digital attack network-connected automobiles are – the goal, of course, is to get car manufacturers to take security more seriously – there was another positive consequence. ...

... So it's no surprise the public has sat idly by over the last two years as federal prosecutors prepared overzealous hacking cases under the comically outdated Computer Fraud and Abuse Act (CFAA) against researchers like (now-deceased) Aaron Swartz and (now-jailed) Andrew "Weev" Auernheimer.

And it's also no surprise that some readers' comments on the death last week of Barnaby Jack, 35, who was set to deliver a talk on hacking pacemakers at Black Hat, were laced with a mixture of confusion, ignorance and hate.

Jack is no different than Valasek or Miller. He could have just as easily been on the 'Today' show set. Anyone speaking at Black Hat or DefCon could have too. Cars just happen to be cool. ...




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Message 1398079 - Posted: 2 Aug 2013, 20:11:24 UTC
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Another two examples of the CFAA being 'utilised' to silence publicity from criminally sloppy corporate (in)security:


Why Pick on Weev? Why Grey Hackers Need Protection

Whatever your belief regarding the activities and conviction of Andrew “Weev” Auernheimer, it can’t be denied that he is pitted against titans in the telecom industry. Free speech, data exploitation, identity, and security of and for individuals are just a few of the issues that his case highlights as vulnerable online.

Currently Weev is being held in a federal penitentiary in Pennsylvania. At the penitentiary, Weev is being regularly kept in solitary confinement and released for 15-minute showers, three times a week, according to Vice, and being threatened with constant relocation, also known as diesel therapy, to disrupt his ability to communicate.

So what did Weev do to land him in this situation? He exposed a major and amateur security flaw in the way AT&T handled iPads over its cellular network. For this “crime” he was sentenced to 3.5 years in prison...



Computer Fraud and Abuse Act used to threaten journalists

Journalists who used Google Search to locate scores of unsecured social security numbers associated with the US Lifeline program have been threatened by lawyers under the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act. ...

... During their research, “A simple online search into TerraCom yielded a Lifeline application that had been filled out and was posted on a site operated by Call Centers India Inc., under contract for TerraCom and YourTel,” reports the Scripps Howard News Service. Subsequent investigation discovered more than 170,000 records “listing sensitive information such as Social Security numbers, home addresses and financial accounts of customers and applicants of Lifeline.”...



Scripps Employees Called 'Hackers' For Exposing Massive Security Flaw

Isaac Wolf, a reporter for Scripps Howard News Service, said he was just doing a basic Google search when he stumbled upon Social Security numbers and other sensitive records lying wide open on the Internet.

But after Wolf and his colleagues revealed in a story last week that two companies had left thousands of customers at risk of identity theft, the companies claimed that the Scripps employees weren't just reporting -- [supposedly] they were hacking. ...

... The two companies that collected the records, TerraCom Inc. and its affiliate, YourTel America, have threatened to sue Scripps, ...



Reporters Getting Sued For 'Hacking' With A Simple Google Search

Two telecom companies are pursuing legal action against Scripps News journalists, claiming the publication's employees had hacked their way into sensitive servers to gain access to names, social security numbers and other information which could lead to the identity theft of over 170,000 customers.

The crack hacking tool the journalists were using to breach security and gain access? Google search. ...

Naturally, Scripps News discovered this vulnerability and investigated the incident, calling to ask for representatives of both YourTel and TerraCom –– which coincidentally share the same COO, Dale Schmick –– for an interview. The two companies Schmick represents responded by sending a letter threatening... Specifically, [the] two companies pointed toward the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act of 1986 –– the same law which was used against activists Aaron Swartz and Andrew "weev" Auernheimer...





I think we really do need the crime of negligence for such corporates allowing themselves to be so recklessly insecure. For example, do responsible people not take due care and responsibility for keeping anything valuable safe? Especially so for anything held in their trust for others!?...

Also, perhaps we need a defensive law to defend the right of curiosity and random surfing. If you make data available to the internet, there must naturally be an expectation that people will find and look at that data...

Or is legalese and dire threats and persecution cheaper for the corporates than due diligence to secure their internet facing systems?...


So... Do a Google search. End up in USA jail for years...

Yes, it really is that simple and that arbitrary.


Only in the USA?...
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Message 1398084 - Posted: 2 Aug 2013, 20:24:15 UTC - in response to Message 1398079.  

Another two examples of the CFAA being 'utilised' to silence publicity from criminally sloppy corporate (in)security:

Martin, it is this kind of post that puts 100% faith in your global warming and whale posts. Why not start one on UFO's and ET's visiting?

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Message 1398133 - Posted: 2 Aug 2013, 22:34:19 UTC - in response to Message 1398084.  
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Another two examples of the CFAA being 'utilised' to silence publicity from criminally sloppy corporate (in)security:

Martin, it is this kind of post that...

So, you advocate for arbitrary abuse of arbitrarily wide/vague laws to the advantage of whoever has the more money to pay the lawyers for legalized abuse?

Ever heard of "speculative invoicing"? That is now a fiduciary lucrative business strategy... And all legal?...


From just the above examples, your next Google search could be your undoing lest you find something you "shouldn't see"... You had best not say anything...

Only in the USA?...
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Message 1398433 - Posted: 3 Aug 2013, 22:02:36 UTC - in response to Message 1398133.  

Another two examples of the CFAA being 'utilised' to silence publicity from criminally sloppy corporate (in)security:

Martin, it is this kind of post that...

From just the above examples, your next Google search could be your undoing lest you find something you "shouldn't see"... You had best not say anything...

So I went a read the letter, [dig through your own links] just to see how much entertainment value it would have.

The "lawyer" wrote it on the letterhead of a consulting firm, not a law firm.
The "lawyer" did not include his BAR number.
http://www.abajournal.com/news/article/using_fake_bar_number_lawyer_handled_20_civil_matters_newspaper_reports/
The letter never says anyone will be prosecuted or any charges filed under the CFAA. And it wouldn't. Only the Attorney General can do that.
It does however ask for help in finding out if the information was collected for journalistic purposes and begs that it not be further released.
It attempts to bully them into agreeing to secure the data or face civil tort if they do not.
It also very curiously takes an interpretation of privacy laws that if the company has no evidence that data was downloaded, vs. knowing that data was exposed and could have been downloaded, that without evidence they do not have to make notifications that the data was exposed. [as this letter is public, I wonder if the attorney's general of the 20 states would take the same position?]
It does not threaten anyone with the CFAA. A lawyer would know not to do that. Such a threat, do this or I'll report you to the police, is a felony.

Martin, that you have been taken by this National Enquirer journalism, speaks to your creditability.

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Message 1398487 - Posted: 4 Aug 2013, 1:27:40 UTC

Martin just you posting all this only in America crap could land YOU in big trouble. The big bad NSA is reading this right now. Probally sending a memo to MI6 flagging you as a trouble maker to be watched.

You can cry all you want about internet reform. The worlds spy agencys will read eveything posted regardless.
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Message 1398618 - Posted: 4 Aug 2013, 12:06:40 UTC - in response to Message 1398433.  

Martin, that you have been taken...

Thank you for some very good sleuthing.

That scenario and threat is still very real for how the CFAA is being abused.

The sword of Damocles from such vague and broad legalese is still there and still available to any and all overzealous officials...

After all, abuse of the CFAA has already killed.


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Message 1398620 - Posted: 4 Aug 2013, 12:14:01 UTC - in response to Message 1398487.  

Martin just you posting all this only in America crap could land YOU in big trouble. The big bad NSA is reading this right now. Probally sending a memo to MI6 flagging you as a trouble maker to be watched.

This thread has nothing to do about the various spy agencies. Instead, it has everything to do with vague Byzantine laws that has made everyone on the internet automatically guilty, regardless of how careful or innocuous you might be.

You are guilty from how the CFAA can be interpreted in all manner of vague ways that just a random click on Google search can leave you vulnerable to 35 years in a USA jail/penitentiary/hole. You just need to be the next random name to be scapegoated...


You can cry all you want about internet reform. The worlds spy agencys will read eveything posted regardless.

Which is where an all encompassing dragnet and random officialdome or worse is directly against free speech. For the start of... (A lot of corruption for only the beginning...)


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Message 1398690 - Posted: 4 Aug 2013, 17:09:59 UTC - in response to Message 1398620.  

Which is where an all encompassing dragnet and random officialdome or worse is directly against free speech. For the start of... (A lot of corruption for only the beginning...)

Only in the USA?

Ask Pussy Riot?

You make it sound as if vague law is something new? It is SOP.

Read an obscenity statute. Heck a SCOTUS justice said "I know it when I see it." Now there is a specific law for you.

Isn't your own governments ban on internet traffic a bit more upsetting? Official censorship!

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Message 1398775 - Posted: 5 Aug 2013, 1:06:12 UTC

The Huffington post reported the othetr day that woman and her husband had a visit bye the men in black because he googled something and she googled pressure cookers. She was a journalist I thinjk the husbans was to. After the dust settled. There were no charges brought . They didnt got to jail for 30 yeras.

The normal internet user has no fear of googeling the wrong thing and going to jail, But you seem to pick heros that want to steal from the internet. Then cry like babys when they get caught that they are doing it for mankind.
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Message 1398878 - Posted: 5 Aug 2013, 10:21:07 UTC - in response to Message 1398775.  
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The Huffington post reported the othetr day that woman and her husband had a visit bye the men in black because he googled something and she googled pressure cookers. She was a journalist I thinjk the husbans was to. After the dust settled. There were no charges brought . They didnt got to jail for 30 yeras.

That's still a good example of the 'inconvenience' of being on the wrong end of a 'false positive'... There are other examples of that where the innocent victims have had far greater inconvenience... "Collateral damage" from an all encompassing dragnet is a very lame excuse.

The normal internet user has no fear ...

You seem to forget the backstory of the very likely 'grudge' that department (certain officials) had against Aaron Swartz for their previous failed conviction attempt(s). The CFAA was vague enough to be abused to 'get him' for something else. MIT wanted no prosecution at all. Hell, what he looked at is now to be freely publically released in any case...

Hence we appear to have non-judiciary playing the part of judge, jury, and persecutor...


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Message 1401145 - Posted: 9 Aug 2013, 17:46:24 UTC

Not just the USA.
http://rt.com/news/pirate-party-sweden-minister-252/
Wester does not believe that the complaint will result in any consequences for Hatt, as it's "just ‘ordinary’ Swedes who risk being sentenced to heavy fines and damages for the same thing the minister has done.”

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Message 1404235 - Posted: 17 Aug 2013, 8:31:25 UTC
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No signs of torture or persecution here then?


Bradley Manning: 'I'm sorry...

Apologizes before court in last-ditch bid for leniency

... Manning has had a lot of time to think about his actions and their consequences. He has spent the last three years imprisoned in various military facilities, first in Kuwait and later in the United States.

For a portion of that time, he was held in solitary confinement in a windowless six-by-12-foot cell, stripped of both his clothes and his eyeglasses. He took his meals in his cell and he was allowed to walk for only one hour each day...

... But that's just a drop in the bucket compared to the 90-year sentence...




For such onerous jeopardy and dire death-sentence-threat responsibility imposed upon a lowly young private, why are his superiors not suffering their necks in the noose of USA law?...


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Message 1404341 - Posted: 17 Aug 2013, 17:21:06 UTC - in response to Message 1404235.  
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No signs of torture or persecution here then?


Bradley Manning: 'I'm sorry...

Apologizes before court in last-ditch bid for leniency

... Manning has had a lot of time to think about his actions and their consequences. He has spent the last three years imprisoned in various military facilities, first in Kuwait and later in the United States.

For a portion of that time, he was held in solitary confinement in a windowless six-by-12-foot cell, stripped of both his clothes and his eyeglasses. He took his meals in his cell and he was allowed to walk for only one hour each day...

... But that's just a drop in the bucket compared to the 90-year sentence...





For such onerous jeopardy and dire death-sentence-threat responsibility imposed upon a lowly young private, why are his superiors not suffering their necks in the noose of USA law?...


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Because he is just a lowly private. You honestly dont think his superier officer will take any blame for not seeing his charge was duly supervised do you. It called crap flows down hill.


I do agree with you though that others in his chain of command should be investagated. When in the service I did some time as a fire inspector, I had a secret clearance, But no way was I allowed to roam any building with out an escort.
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Message 1404352 - Posted: 17 Aug 2013, 17:46:28 UTC - in response to Message 1404341.  

I do agree with you though that others in his chain of command should be investagated. When in the service I did some time as a fire inspector, I had a secret clearance, But no way was I allowed to roam any building with out an escort.

It isn't his chain of command, but the very highest levels that made a terrible mistake. The mistake was to allow far too much information sharing at the low levels. This was done in a hope that it would help all the different agencies to better know the entire information collected. They encouraged fishing expeditions by the low level staff, with the hope someone would spot something an prevent some act of terror. Noble idea. Flows from the USA's horrible mistake in handling the intercepts of Japanese diplomatic cables just prior to Pearl Harbor. They just forgot they need to put some controls on it.


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Message 1405705 - Posted: 20 Aug 2013, 23:06:54 UTC
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Further jeopardous abuse of the CFAA?


US court rules IP address cloaks may break [CFAA] law

If you're a normal Internet user, you probably think you have the right to access anything [any IP address] that's put before the public [on the internet]. Not any more, at least in America, where the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act has been invoked to support a user-specific ban on accessing a Website, and in which the use of a proxy to circumvent a block has been ruled illegal. ...


So... Innocently unknowingly use your ISP's transparent proxy/cache (such as most ISPs use) and you may well fall foul of the CFAA...


Only in the USA for arbitrary persecution by CFAA?

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Message 1405736 - Posted: 21 Aug 2013, 0:20:01 UTC - in response to Message 1405721.  

Right now, there aren't enough IPv4s to go around and I'm sure this is causing police investigaters issues with trying to tie illegal activity to the guilty party because of "cloaking" protocols such as NAT.


Actually, they already utilize warrants to seize external (or WAN) IP information (before it has gone through NAT) from ISPs, which everyone has a unique WAN IP (so whether v4 is running out of or not is largely irrelevant). They hardest part is tying the owner of the account the IP belonged to at the time of the infraction to a specific person. This is where reasonable search and seizure comes in whereas if law enforcement has enough of a case to get a judge to sign off on a house warrant, they can size all electronic equipment and either do an on-site forensics or bring it back to a lab to do a clean-room approach to rebuilding and copying whatever is needed to build a case.

An excellent example of what happens on the tech-side of law enforcement, you should read this article form ArsTechnica: http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/08/operation-joint-hammer-taking-down-the-largest-child-pornography-conspiracy-ever-prosecuted/ (warning for those with ADHD: 4 pages of reading).
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Message 1405759 - Posted: 21 Aug 2013, 1:59:11 UTC - in response to Message 1405705.  

So... Innocently unknowingly use your ISP's transparent proxy/cache (such as most ISPs use) and you may well fall foul of the CFAA...

A deliberate lie. Speaks volumes about the veracity of all your other posts.


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