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 ML1 发送消息 已加入：25 Nov 01 贴子：10629 积分：7,508,002 近期平均积分：20 
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Martin just you posting all this only in America crap could land YOU in big trouble. The big bad NSA is reading this right now. Probally sending a memo to MI6 flagging you as a trouble maker to be watched. This thread has nothing to do about the various spy agencies. Instead, it has everything to do with vague Byzantine laws that has made everyone on the internet automatically guilty, regardless of how careful or innocuous you might be. You are guilty from how the CFAA can be interpreted in all manner of vague ways that just a random click on Google search can leave you vulnerable to 35 years in a USA jail/penitentiary/hole. You just need to be the next random name to be scapegoated... You can cry all you want about internet reform. The worlds spy agencys will read eveything posted regardless. Which is where an all encompassing dragnet and random officialdome or worse is directly against free speech. For the start of... (A lot of corruption for only the beginning...) Only in the USA? Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) ID: 1398620 ·  |
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ML1 发送消息 已加入：25 Nov 01 贴子：10629 积分：7,508,002 近期平均积分：20
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Martin, that you have been taken... Thank you for some very good sleuthing. That scenario and threat is still very real for how the CFAA is being abused. The sword of Damocles from such vague and broad legalese is still there and still available to any and all overzealous officials... After all, abuse of the CFAA has already killed. Only in America? Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) ID: 1398618 · |
James Sotherden  发送消息 已加入：16 May 99 贴子：10436 积分：110,373,059 近期平均积分：54 
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Martin just you posting all this only in America crap could land YOU in big trouble. The big bad NSA is reading this right now. Probally sending a memo to MI6 flagging you as a trouble maker to be watched. You can cry all you want about internet reform. The worlds spy agencys will read eveything posted regardless.  [/quote]Old James ID: 1398487 · |
Gary Charpentier     发送消息 已加入：25 Dec 00 贴子：27228 积分：53,134,872 近期平均积分：32
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Another two examples of the CFAA being 'utilised' to silence publicity from criminally sloppy corporate (in)security: So I went a read the letter, [dig through your own links] just to see how much entertainment value it would have. The "lawyer" wrote it on the letterhead of a consulting firm, not a law firm. The "lawyer" did not include his BAR number. http://www.abajournal.com/news/article/using_fake_bar_number_lawyer_handled_20_civil_matters_newspaper_reports/ The letter never says anyone will be prosecuted or any charges filed under the CFAA. And it wouldn't. Only the Attorney General can do that. It does however ask for help in finding out if the information was collected for journalistic purposes and begs that it not be further released. It attempts to bully them into agreeing to secure the data or face civil tort if they do not. It also very curiously takes an interpretation of privacy laws that if the company has no evidence that data was downloaded, vs. knowing that data was exposed and could have been downloaded, that without evidence they do not have to make notifications that the data was exposed. [as this letter is public, I wonder if the attorney's general of the 20 states would take the same position?] It does not threaten anyone with the CFAA. A lawyer would know not to do that. Such a threat, do this or I'll report you to the police, is a felony. Martin, that you have been taken by this National Enquirer journalism, speaks to your creditability.  
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ML1 发送消息 已加入：25 Nov 01 贴子：10629 积分：7,508,002 近期平均积分：20
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Another two examples of the CFAA being 'utilised' to silence publicity from criminally sloppy corporate (in)security: So, you advocate for arbitrary abuse of arbitrarily wide/vague laws to the advantage of whoever has the more money to pay the lawyers for legalized abuse? Ever heard of "speculative invoicing"? That is now a fiduciary lucrative business strategy... And all legal?... From just the above examples, your next Google search could be your undoing lest you find something you "shouldn't see"... You had best not say anything... Only in the USA?... Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) ID: 1398133 · |
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Gary Charpentier 发送消息 已加入：25 Dec 00 贴子：27228 积分：53,134,872 近期平均积分：32
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Another two examples of the CFAA being 'utilised' to silence publicity from criminally sloppy corporate (in)security: Martin, it is this kind of post that puts 100% faith in your global warming and whale posts. Why not start one on UFO's and ET's visiting?
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ML1 发送消息 已加入：25 Nov 01 贴子：10629 积分：7,508,002 近期平均积分：20
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Another two examples of the CFAA being 'utilised' to silence publicity from criminally sloppy corporate (in)security: Why Pick on Weev? Why Grey Hackers Need Protection Whatever your belief regarding the activities and conviction of Andrew “Weev†Auernheimer, it can’t be denied that he is pitted against titans in the telecom industry. Free speech, data exploitation, identity, and security of and for individuals are just a few of the issues that his case highlights as vulnerable online. Currently Weev is being held in a federal penitentiary in Pennsylvania. At the penitentiary, Weev is being regularly kept in solitary confinement and released for 15-minute showers, three times a week, according to Vice, and being threatened with constant relocation, also known as diesel therapy, to disrupt his ability to communicate. So what did Weev do to land him in this situation? He exposed a major and amateur security flaw in the way AT&T handled iPads over its cellular network. For this “crime†he was sentenced to 3.5 years in prison... Computer Fraud and Abuse Act used to threaten journalists Journalists who used Google Search to locate scores of unsecured social security numbers associated with the US Lifeline program have been threatened by lawyers under the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act. ... ... During their research, “A simple online search into TerraCom yielded a Lifeline application that had been filled out and was posted on a site operated by Call Centers India Inc., under contract for TerraCom and YourTel,†reports the Scripps Howard News Service. Subsequent investigation discovered more than 170,000 records “listing sensitive information such as Social Security numbers, home addresses and financial accounts of customers and applicants of Lifeline.â€... Scripps Employees Called 'Hackers' For Exposing Massive Security Flaw Isaac Wolf, a reporter for Scripps Howard News Service, said he was just doing a basic Google search when he stumbled upon Social Security numbers and other sensitive records lying wide open on the Internet. But after Wolf and his colleagues revealed in a story last week that two companies had left thousands of customers at risk of identity theft, the companies claimed that the Scripps employees weren't just reporting -- [supposedly] they were hacking. ... ... The two companies that collected the records, TerraCom Inc. and its affiliate, YourTel America, have threatened to sue Scripps, ... Reporters Getting Sued For 'Hacking' With A Simple Google Search Two telecom companies are pursuing legal action against Scripps News journalists, claiming the publication's employees had hacked their way into sensitive servers to gain access to names, social security numbers and other information which could lead to the identity theft of over 170,000 customers. The crack hacking tool the journalists were using to breach security and gain access? Google search. ... Naturally, Scripps News discovered this vulnerability and investigated the incident, calling to ask for representatives of both YourTel and TerraCom –– which coincidentally share the same COO, Dale Schmick –– for an interview. The two companies Schmick represents responded by sending a letter threatening... Specifically, [the] two companies pointed toward the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act of 1986 –– the same law which was used against activists Aaron Swartz and Andrew "weev" Auernheimer... I think we really do need the crime of negligence for such corporates allowing themselves to be so recklessly insecure. For example, do responsible people not take due care and responsibility for keeping anything valuable safe? Especially so for anything held in their trust for others!?... Also, perhaps we need a defensive law to defend the right of curiosity and random surfing. If you make data available to the internet, there must naturally be an expectation that people will find and look at that data... Or is legalese and dire threats and persecution cheaper for the corporates than due diligence to secure their internet facing systems?... So... Do a Google search. End up in USA jail for years... Yes, it really is that simple and that arbitrary. Only in the USA?... Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) ID: 1398079 · |
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ML1 发送消息 已加入：25 Nov 01 贴子：10629 积分：7,508,002 近期平均积分：20
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Strange developments?... US policy overhaul is key for Aaron's Law protection An overhaul of the US Computer Fraud and Abuse Act (CFAA) is sorely needed in order to better protect users from overly harsh and invasive government prosecution... ... Swartz's case was used by the panelists as a textbook example of just what is wrong with the CFAA. First drafted as a means to protect vital government and financial infrastructure, the CFAA has since been expanded to the point where users can face criminal charges for little more than violating a provider's terms of service (TOS). ... “If you go above and beyond what a website says you can do, you are potentially violating criminal law. They can turn this law into a sword that they can use against anybody whose politics they don't like.†... the vague and open nature of the law also leaves ordinary citizens and researchers open to criminal charges and legal intimidation from vendors. For cases such as those of Andrew 'Weev' Auernheimer, the researcher who faces years in prison for gathering email addresses as part of research into security flaws at AT&T, the CFAA provides a dangerous precedent that threatens legitimate security work... Car hackers' appearance on the 'Today' show was important because they were on the 'Today' show ... on the program's set to demonstrate how they can compromise the internal computing system of a test Ford Escape to manipulate the car's speedometer and control its steering wheel. The pair will formally present the research on Friday morning at the annual DefCon gathering in Las Vegas. And while the NBC segment certainly underscored for the mainstream how vulnerable to digital attack network-connected automobiles are – the goal, of course, is to get car manufacturers to take security more seriously – there was another positive consequence. ... ... So it's no surprise the public has sat idly by over the last two years as federal prosecutors prepared overzealous hacking cases under the comically outdated Computer Fraud and Abuse Act (CFAA) against researchers like (now-deceased) Aaron Swartz and (now-jailed) Andrew "Weev" Auernheimer. And it's also no surprise that some readers' comments on the death last week of Barnaby Jack, 35, who was set to deliver a talk on hacking pacemakers at Black Hat, were laced with a mixture of confusion, ignorance and hate. Jack is no different than Valasek or Miller. He could have just as easily been on the 'Today' show set. Anyone speaking at Black Hat or DefCon could have too. Cars just happen to be cool. ... Only in the USA?... Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) ID: 1396399 · |
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ML1 发送消息 已加入：25 Nov 01 贴子：10629 积分：7,508,002 近期平均积分：20
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So... Persecution into exile, for: On a much smaller scale but looks like official persecution just the same: Boat Race protester Trenton Oldfield ordered to leave UK The Australian activist who disrupted the 2012 Oxford v Cambridge Boat Race in protest at government cuts has been ordered to leave the country, after receiving a six-month jail term that many thought was severe. ... Had we not stopped deporting people to Australia some long time ago?! Who next? All in our only world, Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) ID: 1390176 · |
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ML1 发送消息 已加入：25 Nov 01 贴子：10629 积分：7,508,002 近期平均积分：20
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So... Persecution into exile, for: Snowden's Australian 'revelations' are old news Edward Snowden's leaks have alerted the world to a serious issue: the extent of government spying in societies that supposed themselves to be free. That does not, however, mean that every word he says ... is news. Behind the star-struck reposting of whatever passes from Snowden ... is a lot of stuff that was already either on the record, or at least strongly suspected. ... Only in America! Who next? All in our only world, Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) ID: 1389772 · |
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ML1 发送消息 已加入：25 Nov 01 贴子：10629 积分：7,508,002 近期平均积分：20
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If Snowden had not disclosed operational details... All a game of being scapegoated/lynched? Officialdom overreach?... Judge for yourselves: Daniel Ellsberg: Edward Snowden Was Right To Leave The U.S. ... Ellsberg has sometimes been held up as an example of everything Snowden is not. ... Yet Ellsberg has steadfastly sided with Snowden, saying that his detractors are wrong to contrast the two of them and calling Snowden's leaks the most important in American history. ... ... Many people compare Edward Snowden to me unfavorably for leaving the country and seeking asylum, rather than facing trial as I did," he wrote. "I don't agree. The country I stayed in was a different America, a long time ago." Ellsberg said that, after being arrested, he was freed on bail and allowed to continue speaking about his opposition to the Vietnam War. He said it was unlikely Snowden would be afforded the same opportunity... ... He would almost certainly be confined in total isolation, even longer than the more than eight months Manning suffered during his three years of imprisonment before his trial began recently. The United Nations Special Rapporteur for Torture described Manning's conditions as "cruel, inhuman and degrading." (That realistic prospect, by itself, is grounds for most countries granting Snowden asylum, if they could withstand bullying and bribery from the United States.) ... Will Edward Snowden change the data center real estate market? ... while I am still wondering if what Snowden has actually leaked was actually secret in the first place, as much of the intent behind it has been released in public documents like the Patriot Act and FISMA and even PRISM has a Wikipedia page stating its main aim, I am sure he has broken an NDA signed as a contractor to the US government. That in itself is a crime. ... ... “If European cloud customers cannot trust the US government or their assurances, then maybe they won’t trust US cloud providers either,†Kroes said last week. “That is my guess. And if I am right then there are multi-billion euro consequences for American companies.†... So: "Life" in exile or "Life" in solitary confinement for publicizing already public details? And again "Life" in exile or "Life" in solitary confinement for merely breaking an NDA?... For something supposedly so onerous, why are not the officials who imposed such onerous requirements onto someone so clearly unsuitable also under threat of "Life" in exile or "Life" in solitary confinement for their recklessness? Only in America! Who next? All in our only world, Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) ID: 1389220 · |
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Gary Charpentier 发送消息 已加入：25 Dec 00 贴子：27228 积分：53,134,872 近期平均积分：32
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If Snowden had not disclosed operational details... No that isn't the case. He gave numerous details of precisely where and technically how the the interceptions are made. Such details allow an enemy to evade those locations and methods of collection, they are operational details.
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ML1 发送消息 已加入：25 Nov 01 贴子：10629 积分：7,508,002 近期平均积分：20
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Here are three contrasting stories of persecution and an arbitrary turning a blind eye... Where is the supposed even handed justice in all this?... Just a game of arbitrary 'official' lynchings? 'Weev' appeals AT&T iPad hack conviction Bug hunters asked to help data-slurping grey hat hacker's bid for freedom US cybercrime lawyers have filed an appeal against the conviction and lengthy sentence imposed upon Andrew "Weev" Auernheimer in a high-profile iPad data leak case. ... ... The appeal argues the government's prosecution was flawed in law because it relied on an improper application of the US Computer Fraud & Abuse Act (CFAA). Auernheimer's co-defendant Daniel Spitler discovered in 2010 that AT&T had configured its servers so that email addresses of early adopter iPad owners were publicly available on the net. Spitler wrote a script that collected roughly 114,000 email addresses as a result of the security snafu. Auernheimer then distributed the list of email addresses to media organisations as proof of the vulnerability, forcing AT&T to acknowledge and fix the security problem. Auernheimer and Spitler were both charged with identity theft and conspiracy to violate the CFAA — the same law used against internet activist Aaron Swartz, who committed suicide earlier this year while living under the shadow of a looming prosecution. ... ... "Auernheimer was aggressively prosecuted for an act that caused little harm and was intended to be — and ultimately was — in the public interest," the EFF's Hofmann said in a statement on the appeal. "The CFAA's vague language gives prosecutors great latitude to abuse their discretion and throw the book at people they simply don't like. That's as evident here as it was in the prosecution of Aaron Swartz." ... Edward Snowden's asylum options narrow ... The former intelligence systems analyst is wanted by the US on charges of leaking secrets. He accuses US President Barack Obama of putting pressure on the countries to which he has applied for asylum. ... ... "The world's conscience should react, the world youth should react, the decent people who want a peaceful world should react, everyone should react and find solidarity with this young man who has denounced and altered the world that they [the US] pretend to control," ... ... Mr Snowden describes himself as "a stateless person", accusing the US government of stopping him from exercising the "basic right...to seek asylum". ... Snowden speaks from Moscow: 'Obama lies' ... "Yet now it is being reported," he says, "that after promising not to do so, the President ordered his Vice President to pressure the leaders of nations from which I have requested protection to deny my asylum petitions. "This kind of deception from a world leader is not justice, and neither is the extralegal penalty of exile," Snowden concludes. The extralegality to which Snowden refers includes the fact that "Although I am convicted of nothing, [the Obama administration] has unilaterally revoked my passport, leaving me a stateless person," he writes. ... Sky News hack of Canoe Man's email in public interest, Ofcom says Broadcaster's right to expression trumps privacy... ... doesn't change the fact that it would appear to be a breach of the Computer Misuse Act 1990, under which "unauthorised access to computer materials" (under which interception of emails falls) is not permitted.* Ofcom doesn't really care if the journalist broke the law or not in hacking the email accounts - that's beyond the remit of a media regulator... ... * While public interest is not a defence in this particular law, it is entirely at the discretion of the police and the Crown Prosecution Service to decide whether or not to prosecute, and it appears they have chosen not to do so. All balanced and impartial Justice and fair freedom? Or all a game of arbitrary lynchings? Not only in America... Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) ID: 1387403 · |
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ML1 发送消息 已加入：25 Nov 01 贴子：10629 积分：7,508,002 近期平均积分：20
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If Snowden had not disclosed operational details... And that's the point... He has merely publicised a presentation of which the general details were already widely known. The only public surprise of 'anything new' in what was publicized is the sheer industrial scale of the dragnet that is indiscriminately used against everyone... Really spying in the old cold war sense? Or a concerned citizen whistleblower now being persecuted beyond all reason to be scapegoated?... All in our only world, Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) ID: 1387304 · |
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Gary Charpentier 发送消息 已加入：25 Dec 00 贴子：27228 积分：53,134,872 近期平均积分：32
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So far, Snowden has not been charged under 18 USC § 794, ... Espionage Act of 1917 that carries a possible death penalty. And that is where it will stand as the US will have to certify that it will not seek the death penalty to facilitate extradition. (Happens all the time when we have to drag murdering drug gang scum back from Mexico and the US is illegally barred from extracting the full measure of the law.) If Snowden had not disclosed operational details of sufficient character and nature to allow the enemies of the US to evade detection he would just be a whistle blower.
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ML1 发送消息 已加入：25 Nov 01 贴子：10629 积分：7,508,002 近期平均积分：20
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And so it spookily begins: And so it develops: US DoJ: Happy b-day, Ed Snowden! You're (not?) charged with capital crimes Complaint accuses NSA leaker of espionage, theft, and more... ... he has been formally accused of spying by the US government. ... ... If Snowden does eventually stand trial in the US, he could face the harshest penalty. Espionage, of which he has been accused, is one of the relatively small number of crimes for which the federal government is authorized to seek the death penalty. ... Update... Each of these charges carries a penalty of a fine or up to ten years imprisonment, or both – so, if Snowden were given successive sentences, he could be imprisoned for up to 30 years and required to pay an unspecified fine. So far, Snowden has not been charged under 18 USC § 794, ... Espionage Act of 1917 that carries a possible death penalty. The government may yet bring additional charges... US prosecution of Snowden and Manning exceeds international norms Many European countries punish leakers, but not for life, and they take into consideration how much harm the leak caused... Is Edward Snowden, the national security consultant turned leaker, a heroic whistleblower or a traitor? The question has fueled a storm... ... The broad axe of the Espionage Act doesn't recognize these nuances. The attorney general's office, if it is to prosecute at all, should instead use one of the more than 150 laws on the books that criminalize the disclosure of specific and well-defined categories of information... Moreover, to comply with the First Amendment, courts should interpret such laws, some of which expressly so state, to require both a likelihood and an intent to cause significant harm. We all would be better protected from actual harms if the government would identify the secrets that truly need to be kept, and focus on protecting those. Bolivia leader's jet diverted 'amid Snowden suspicions' ... France and Portugal reportedly refused to allow the Moscow-Bolivia flight to cross their airspace. Mr Snowden is reportedly seeking asylum in Bolivia and 20 other countries to avoid extradition to the US. ... ... "This is a hostile act by the United States state department which has used various European governments," Ruben Saavedra said. ... ... "Why are they persecuting him? What has he done? Did he launch a missile and kill someone? Did he rig a bomb and kill someone? No. He is preventing war," he told Reuters news agency. ... Edward Snowden: a whistleblower, not a spy ... flew out of Hong Kong, apparently en route to Ecuador. For 10 days he has been stalled at Moscow airport, while his passport has been annulled and repeated attempts to continue his journey to sympathetic jurisdictions have failed or been foiled. ... ... This is emphatically not a cold war style national security case; it is a 21st century case about the appropriate balance between the power of the secret state and the rights of free citizens in the internet era. To charge Mr Snowden under America's first world war Espionage Act is inappropriate. We live in a different world from that. America is not at war... All an overreaction? Another senseless persecution regardless of proportion and justice? All on our one planet, Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) ID: 1387162 · |
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ML1 发送消息 已加入：25 Nov 01 贴子：10629 积分：7,508,002 近期平均积分：20
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The story rolls on. Can Avaaz avert another persecution death? Care enough to try the link: The Avaaz petition is still rolling. Hopefully they may succeed where Wikileaks is being stymied? This is the world we are making, Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) ID: 1387154 · |
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Gary Charpentier 发送消息 已加入：25 Dec 00 贴子：27228 积分：53,134,872 近期平均积分：32
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The story rolls on. Can Avaaz avert another persecution death? Care enough to try the link: How many times are you going to post this? Or does this apply: Albert Einstein wrote: Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
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ML1 发送消息 已加入：25 Nov 01 贴子：10629 积分：7,508,002 近期平均积分：20
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The story rolls on. Can Avaaz avert another persecution death? Care enough to try the link: Is Avaaz and public opinion able to avert another USA persecution unto death? This is the world we are making, Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) ID: 1383019 · |
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Gary Charpentier 发送消息 已加入：25 Dec 00 贴子：27228 积分：53,134,872 近期平均积分：32
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Are you on a retainer from Fox? No, but it is obvious you are on a retainer for MSNBC. Just because Faux The Associated Press contributed to this report.doesn't make the story fake.
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