Sewercide is still sewercide. Don't matter what the instrument of death is, cop, executioner, bomb, gun in mouth, it is still the same thought process. Give up on life. The cowards way. Some want out with a blaze of glory, others don't, but they all want attention.

oh so you are talking about the terrorist bombers that killed 187 people man I would advise you to stop right there or have you forgotten about 9/11

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Sewercide is still sewercide. Don't matter what the instrument of death is, cop, executioner, bomb, gun in mouth, it is still the same thought process. Give up on life. The cowards way. Some want out with a blaze of glory, others don't, but they all want attention.

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Guess I won't mention 2002 in Bali where one took the easy way out.

what you talking about the terrorist bomber or somebody on a death sentence or you talking about Anita Cobby whom is still in jail

Bro if you you haven't got a fair argument then say nothing it only makes you sound dumb or calas and cruel

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Guess I won't mention 2002 in Bali where one took the easy way out.

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ya know if you didn't have the thing on your post saying you where from California I was going to ask you from Texas they are cowboys still living in the good old'e days of the west when justice was a rope and a tree it's called mob justice sounds not to much has changed over there in the good old U.S.A.

While watching a show about your Super Max prisons there was a bloke on death row for 20yrs , 3hrs before his sentence was carried out it got commuted to life without parole .One month after he went to the general area they interviewed him . He said if I had been killed it would have been a relief now I have to come to terms with the rest of my sentence in jail which is harder than being killed and I don't think I can handle it
Say's a lot about what is more of a deterrent the death penalty or life without parole

Anyway I still think the U.S.A is over the top shoot first ask questions later and then it's ops sorry to late
And lastly I guess your life is going well otherwise you probly would not say they took the easy way out . Depression makes people do bad things include kill them self being sent bankrupp just to defend yourself over what amounts to a mister mina and they the uni didn't wish to press charges i'm not surprised he did what he did so hope your life don't fall apart cause you wont get any sympathy from me i'll post a obit for you alone the lines of he took the easy way out

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we are talking about the states

No, this thread is/was about an idiot Aaron Swartz who did the crime and found out he couldn't do the time, so he took the cowards way out, just like Assange is doing. Won't go into a court room and face his accusers and get judged by his peers; both seek martyrdom with death by their own hands. Anyone who seeks it, is flat out crazy.

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trying to justifi using torture is silly
when your dead you can no longer appeal if new evidence comes forward and your comments do not get you out of the fact that a lot (more 3 dozen at least )innocent people have been put to death .
As for Asange he was arrested here for his early hacking and did his time he also went to the Sweadish police before he left the country and kept in contact with them I also believe 1 of the females has recanted her story .Don't think we in Australia like what he did as I already said it was stupid but he broke no law in publishing the documents
and seeing as both our country's will be pulling out of Afganistan next year where does that leave Guntanimo ??? and military tribunals are notorious for not giving defeadants a fear trial .They should have shot them over there instead of being cruel which brings us back to the start of the thread that the U.S is over the top on crime I never said country's are not pure as snow just most aren't going around pretending they are which your country is

Really Glenn. You talk about Geneva and then you advocate killing people trying to surrender. You are one confused mixed up mess.

Then you say we are over the top. Try having some drugs in Indonesia. Is a capital offense for drugs more over the top?

Ignorance of the law (and punishment) is no excuse. Don't do the crime if you can't do the time.

come on Gary a lot of those whom are in mexico did not serender they where captured but keeping them in a prison without a fair trial is fair !As for the death penalty in Indonesia as a yank you should be agreeing to it after all how many people will die from heroin overdose once the stuff hit's the streets isn't that mass murder but yes I do agree I do not agree in the death penalty and we are not talking about Indonesia in this thread (backward dam country anyway) we are talking about the states

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trying to justifi using torture is silly
when your dead you can no longer appeal if new evidence comes forward and your comments do not get you out of the fact that a lot (more 3 dozen at least )innocent people have been put to death .
As for Asange he was arrested here for his early hacking and did his time he also went to the Sweadish police before he left the country and kept in contact with them I also believe 1 of the females has recanted her story .Don't think we in Australia like what he did as I already said it was stupid but he broke no law in publishing the documents
and seeing as both our country's will be pulling out of Afganistan next year where does that leave Guntanimo ??? and military tribunals are notorious for not giving defeadants a fear trial .They should have shot them over there instead of being cruel which brings us back to the start of the thread that the U.S is over the top on crime I never said country's are not pure as snow just most aren't going around pretending they are which your country is

Really Glenn. You talk about Geneva and then you advocate killing people trying to surrender. You are one confused mixed up mess.

Then you say we are over the top. Try having some drugs in Indonesia. Is a capital offense for drugs more over the top?

Ignorance of the law (and punishment) is no excuse. Don't do the crime if you can't do the time.

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I spose doing 3 things even if those things would not warrant a life sentence by them self and then going to jail for life is humane .Inocent people being put to death is also humane . And then there's throwing the Geneva convention out and calling them enemy combatanes is also humane and torturing people is humane I can go on and on but why bother spose it costs less to just put people to death than get to the truth . Those that live in a Glass house should not be throwing stones .In other words don't critise others about human rights when you don't follow them yourself .As for Asange I will not comment as you are obiously not awhere of what he has done to try and help the swead's with there investigation so you are not up on all the facts just the usual crap when you guys don't like hearing the truth . As for conspiracy's mmm dumd and dumber comes to mind so here is something you might just look up it is well documented .The Light Bulb Conspirecy form in 1930's I believe

According to the Geneva convention They are unlawful combatants subject to a miltary tribunal to determine if they are POW'S or subject to in some parts of the world execution. Mercenaries have no Geneva protections at all. Spys get the miltary trbunal then get shot or inprisoned.

So where has the us thrown out the Geneva convention. You should be glad Bush called them enemy combantants. They didnt get a tribunal to be shot. By defacto they have been held as POW's.

As for torture, I dont agree with using it. That includes water boarding. Senator John Mcain a POW of the Viet Nam war siad it best. (Im paraphraseing) If you dont think water boarding is not torture you should try it and see for yourself if it isnt.

The death penalty should be done with. Life with no parole in solitary confinement works for me with a killer.

As for Asange if you know info on why he is so innocent please tell us. I believe your news is just as tainted as ours is.

There is not a Country on this planet that is pure as snow and not guilty of something.

trying to justifi using torture is silly
when your dead you can no longer appeal if new evidence comes forward and your comments do not get you out of the fact that a lot (more 3 dozen at least )innocent people have been put to death .
As for Asange he was arrested here for his early hacking and did his time he also went to the Sweadish police before he left the country and kept in contact with them I also believe 1 of the females has recanted her story .Don't think we in Australia like what he did as I already said it was stupid but he broke no law in publishing the documents
and seeing as both our country's will be pulling out of Afganistan next year where does that leave Guntanimo ??? and military tribunals are notorious for not giving defeadants a fear trial .They should have shot them over there instead of being cruel which brings us back to the start of the thread that the U.S is over the top on crime I never said country's are not pure as snow just most aren't going around pretending they are which your country is

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Poor Martin. Still confused. Doesn't know the difference between a trade mark and a copyright. Doesn't know history. What was different about 1973 and 1979?

ROTFLMAO!

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According to recent examples, this nefarious computer hacker should see something like 150 years or more of a USA penitence or worse for his supposed hacking misdeeds of years ago. Please noone tell the USA Feds or the "Hollywood" organizations:


Star Trek: The original computer game

... Star Trek got everywhere. The three versions I had at home were a hand-typed copy...

... wrote Star Trek on a Scientific Data Systems Sigma 7 mainframe operated by the University of California, Irvine. He was still at school, but he says he managed to acquire a user account anyway, by less than legitimate means.

It proved irresistible to everyone who saw it. Around the same time, for instance, he called in on a nearby HP sales office to buy a HP-35 programmable calculator. He got to know the guys there, and at some point told them about the game he’d written on the Sigma 7. They were so keen to have a go themselves, they asked him to port it to their HP 2000 minicomputer. ...

Like a virus, the game spread from system to system. Ahl’s Basic version would ultimately lead to Apple Trek, the version Apple itself released commercially for its Apple II microcomputer in 1979. It was written by W Sander, and the name was changed to avoid copyright issues, of course, and that was true of all the other commercial releases. ...


OK... So that suggests incarcerating an awful lot of people...


Only by the 'rule' of the USA?
Martin

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I spose doing 3 things even if those things would not warrant a life sentence by them self and then going to jail for life is humane .Inocent people being put to death is also humane . And then there's throwing the Geneva convention out and calling them enemy combatanes is also humane and torturing people is humane I can go on and on but why bother spose it costs less to just put people to death than get to the truth . Those that live in a Glass house should not be throwing stones .In other words don't critise others about human rights when you don't follow them yourself .As for Asange I will not comment as you are obiously not awhere of what he has done to try and help the swead's with there investigation so you are not up on all the facts just the usual crap when you guys don't like hearing the truth . As for conspiracy's mmm dumd and dumber comes to mind so here is something you might just look up it is well documented .The Light Bulb Conspirecy form in 1930's I believe

According to the Geneva convention They are unlawful combatants subject to a miltary tribunal to determine if they are POW'S or subject to in some parts of the world execution. Mercenaries have no Geneva protections at all. Spys get the miltary trbunal then get shot or inprisoned.

So where has the us thrown out the Geneva convention. You should be glad Bush called them enemy combantants. They didnt get a tribunal to be shot. By defacto they have been held as POW's.

As for torture, I dont agree with using it. That includes water boarding. Senator John Mcain a POW of the Viet Nam war siad it best. (Im paraphraseing) If you dont think water boarding is not torture you should try it and see for yourself if it isnt.

The death penalty should be done with. Life with no parole in solitary confinement works for me with a killer.

As for Asange if you know info on why he is so innocent please tell us. I believe your news is just as tainted as ours is.

There is not a Country on this planet that is pure as snow and not guilty of something.

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I spose doing 3 things even if those things would not warrant a life sentence by them self and then going to jail for life is humane .Inocent people being put to death is also humane . And then there's throwing the Geneva convention out and calling them enemy combatanes is also humane and torturing people is humane I can go on and on but why bother spose it costs less to just put people to death than get to the truth . Those that live in a Glass house should not be throwing stones .In other words don't critise others about human rights when you don't follow them yourself .As for Asange I will not comment as you are obiously not awhere of what he has done to try and help the swead's with there investigation so you are not up on all the facts just the usual crap when you guys don't like hearing the truth . As for conspiracy's mmm dumd and dumber comes to mind so here is something you might just look up it is well documented .The Light Bulb Conspirecy form in 1930's I believe

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It would be nice if Martin posted the whole story ...
http://blogs.marketwatch.com/taxwatch/2013/04/16/irs-denies-email-snooping-without-a-warrant/
But is isn't as much of a hyped up headline grabber ...

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Foreign press has sufficient ignorance of the US Criminal Justice system they make it sound OTT. They will quote theoretical maximum sentences that are never imposed as gospel. Of course they never follow the case to the end. So that 150 years is in reality sentenced to 2 years confinement and 10 years of probation. There are a couple exceptions, child rape, use a gun, kill someone, third strike, but anything else it is all BS and concurrent sentences are usually imposed.

http://gawker.com/5936600/julian-assanges-rape-case-has-nothing-to-do-with-free-speech

As I said and it says it was far easier for the USA to grab his butt while he was in the UK than it will be if he was in Sweden. Sorry if facts get in the way of your conspiracy theories.

Not saying that there are people who wouldn't love to see him rotting in a cell, but a Swedish cell works for them.

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This looks to be a huge inconsistency... A case of one law for some and a very different law for others?...


ACLU documents shows free access to emails...

If it's opened, or old, then no warrant needed...

...showing just how easy it is ... to read people's online communications without a court-issued warrant. ...



Only in the USA 'system'?

All on our only planet,
Martin

Im of mixed opinion on this case for a number of reasons. And Gary I did read the link you posted on it. But Im not sure I understood all the legalese.

First I have to say that the Enzyte ripoff artist should be in jail. Why the FDA dosent get a set of balls and go after these snake oil jerks is beyond me.

That being said. The expectation of privacy seems to be going down the toilet. You need a court oder to tap a phone, or read snail mail. And supposedly for E-mail also.
Except if you dont delete your read E-mails. I would hazard a guess that would be equal to throwing your snail mail in the trash and setting it by the curb, Where any one can pick through it.

It seems the IRS got a pass on quite a few E-mail server searches. How many passes do other branches of government get.

And as Gary stated even when they get the passes they still miss the terrorists.

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Old James

From what I know of the case there is something going on behind the sceen's best you find out more about the case .
If he did rape the girl's then fair enough he should go to jail but there is more to it best you find out .My point was simply that your Gov does have a reputation of being OTT on criminal cases . eg how many innocent people have been killed by the state , I'm talking about the death penalty here ??????

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If it's opened, or old, then no warrant needed...

UNITED STATES v. WARSHAK
Yet, Tsarnaev, wasn't stopped.


check box - delete emails from server after reading

IT - it is what we make it.

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he didn't steal anything but look how the U.S gov is acting with him all he did is publish the material but he's not American so freedom of speech don't count that hipicritical to say the least

It is only Assange that says it is America that is doing anything to him. It is all in his own mind. There is no warrant for his arrest. A long time ago USAG came to the conclusion he broke no US law. He isn't a citizen and he wasn't on US soil, ergo no US crime. However he is facing a rape case. One good way to never have to answer for that is to yell and scream the USA is out to get him and beg for asylum from a country that doesn't like the US.

He was where he could be found and extradited while he was in the UK before he fled to the embassy. There was no warrant issued, no extradition request, no put a hold on him. Why not? Only reasonable conclusion is the US isn't interested in him.

What? Do you think the US paid some woman to cry rape? How did they do that before he leaked the stuff. Did they make up the rape kit too? Get over the conspiracy theorys.

Assange is a megalomaniac that threw all his credibility away with his small head thinking. He knows he is guilty and doesn't want to serve time for his crime. But what criminal does? He won't even be questioned over it. I'd think an innocent person would want to prove it.

He is just a garden variety rapist who unfortunately can't be given the appropriate penalty of castration and then a decade as Bubba's cell mate. What he is really afraid of is spending a decade in jail and the spotlight won't be upon his megalomaniac self.

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