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Sarge Send message Joined: 25 Aug 99 Posts: 12273 Credit: 8,569,109 RAC: 79 |
Right after this last national election, I quit being fair and have untied the half of my brain that I had tied in the past to make debating liberals fair. And we all knew he was being sarcastic. Demonstrating absurdity by being absurd, indeed. |
Sarge Send message Joined: 25 Aug 99 Posts: 12273 Credit: 8,569,109 RAC: 79 |
Back to the topic: did one of the biggest of the gun supporters, Ted Nugent, evade the draft to go to Vietnam? |
Blurf Send message Joined: 2 Sep 06 Posts: 8962 Credit: 12,678,685 RAC: 0 |
Back to the topic: did one of the biggest of the gun supporters, Ted Nugent, evade the draft to go to Vietnam? Ummm...he admits doing so Sarge http://www.snopes.com/politics/military/nugent.asp |
Sarge Send message Joined: 25 Aug 99 Posts: 12273 Credit: 8,569,109 RAC: 79 |
Back to the topic: did one of the biggest of the gun supporters, Ted Nugent, evade the draft to go to Vietnam? The Snopes page I read said the exact nature of getting out of it was undetermined. He has given different stories. |
Sarge Send message Joined: 25 Aug 99 Posts: 12273 Credit: 8,569,109 RAC: 79 |
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dancer42 Send message Joined: 2 Jun 02 Posts: 455 Credit: 2,422,890 RAC: 1 |
No Sarge. There is a limit.I'll agree with you that most people have degree of irrationality but when it gets to the point of specifically arming yourself to start taking out seven year olds or fellow employees. That is definitely outside the "normal" range. ===================================================== I will have to remember that the next time I shoot trap. |
dancer42 Send message Joined: 2 Jun 02 Posts: 455 Credit: 2,422,890 RAC: 1 |
to protect themselves against tyranny in government ================================================= wounded knee creak comes to mind. |
kittyman Send message Joined: 9 Jul 00 Posts: 51468 Credit: 1,018,363,574 RAC: 1,004 |
to protect themselves against tyranny in government Two Mules for Sister Sarah comes to mind. "Freedom is just Chaos, with better lighting." Alan Dean Foster |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30639 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
Suicide by Cop preferable to prison: http://news.yahoo.com/nj-police-station-shooter-corrections-employee-143541364--abc-news-topstories.html Prisons Worker Shoots Cops in Station Yep. Knew where he was going, better than most, and made his choice. |
Sarge Send message Joined: 25 Aug 99 Posts: 12273 Credit: 8,569,109 RAC: 79 |
I'm really glad "good guys" come with good guy symbols emblazoned on their chests, that such symbols are always accurate and no one EVER changes from good to bad (or vice versa). |
dancer42 Send message Joined: 2 Jun 02 Posts: 455 Credit: 2,422,890 RAC: 1 |
it seems to me that being able to buy a specialize printer and a few bottles of plastic ink making it possible to print out a working gun mince springs should be eliciting a lot more comment. yes the printer costs about 10,000.00 dollars and the ink is not cheap either but standard inkjets could be retrofitted. and the plans are downloadable on the internet now. |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30639 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
It really should be setting the alarm bells off. The printed gun is going to be PLASTIC! Does a plastic full auto AR-15 set off a metal detector looking for a gun? Does it matter to a terrorist that he might only get a few hundred rounds out of a plastic gun compared to tens of thousands for a nice factory made metal one? |
dancer42 Send message Joined: 2 Jun 02 Posts: 455 Credit: 2,422,890 RAC: 1 |
since the only parts not being made of plastic will be the springs maybe I should start making a waffle flipper or a spring loaded lamp that just happens to use the same spring as an ar-15 say for 15 or 20 bucks. |
James Sotherden Send message Joined: 16 May 99 Posts: 10436 Credit: 110,373,059 RAC: 54 |
[quote]It really should be setting the alarm bells off. The printed gun is going to be PLASTIC! Does a plastic full auto AR-15 set off a metal detector looking for a gun? Does it matter to a terrorist that he might only get a few hundred rounds out of a plastic gun compared to tens of thousands for a nice factory made metal one? [/quote Whith the special plastics nowdays, Id say a firearm capable of a few hundred shots is possible before it blows up. However you still need ammo. Even caseless rounds that have been tried for years now, still have a metal bullet. I just cant see a plastice bullet with the mass to do a lot of damage Sting like hell yes. The scanners they have to day can detect an objects shape. Look online and see what they see. If it looks like a gun it probally is one. And if it looks like a bullet it probally is one. Why do think some folks are up in arms about the full body scans? They said the same about the Glock when it came out. OMG the terrorist will smuggle them on airplanes. I have a Glock the barrel and slide are made of steel. Plus all the springs and the ammo. Id say printers will make high capacity magazines and stocks. [/quote] Old James |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30639 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
The scanners they have to day can detect an objects shape. Look online and see what they see. If it looks like a gun it probally is one. And if it looks like a bullet it probally is one. Why do think some folks are up in arms about the full body scans? But aren't those scanners being pulled from service? Also they were only ever in a few select airport locations. Not at the entrance to every government building, school, sports stadium, convention center, amusement park and the like, a place where a terrorist still could do considerable damage. <edit>I can even think of worse consequences. Some terrorist painting his plastic gun orange, like a toy, and getting it by security at an event by pointing out it is plastic and saying it is a toy, then using it. After that every child with a toy gun in his hands is going to get shot by the police as they can't tell the difference between a toy and the real thing. |
James Sotherden Send message Joined: 16 May 99 Posts: 10436 Credit: 110,373,059 RAC: 54 |
The scanners they have to day can detect an objects shape. Look online and see what they see. If it looks like a gun it probally is one. And if it looks like a bullet it probally is one. Why do think some folks are up in arms about the full body scans? Back when the Glock first came out there was a huge cry that terrorists would get them on planes. The scanners of those days was still able to see the outline of the whole gun and the ammo. Hell you see a palstic comb plane as day ( no pun inteneded) And in this day and age why would any parent let a kid tote a toy gun to any public place. And It should raise securitys eyebtrows if an adult is carryinng one. I think the real danger is for a terrorist to use common material to hide in plane sight a weapon that can kill. Think a cane that is hollow, An oxygen tank. Tubing and .33 caliber balls of steel or glass. I wonder what a glass ball at x amount of mass at 2000 psi has for kinectic energy? [/quote] Old James |
kittyman Send message Joined: 9 Jul 00 Posts: 51468 Credit: 1,018,363,574 RAC: 1,004 |
I don't see that ANYBODY chose to respond to my post in the other gun thread. Perhaps it was to true to address. Quoting my post there..... This speech by Bill Whittle as 'virtual president' pretty well sums up my views on gun control and the reasons it should not be expanded here, and the reasons many in the government want to expand it. And specifically, he echos my statements posted earlier about what the 2nd amendment is really about. Bill Whittle. "Freedom is just Chaos, with better lighting." Alan Dean Foster |
dancer42 Send message Joined: 2 Jun 02 Posts: 455 Credit: 2,422,890 RAC: 1 |
Ok I watched bill and I must say he made the point elegantly. so where do we go from here? congress needs to be called every time they breach the constitution. their oaths of office need to be questioned every time they do these things. I just get tired of doing that. I an vary frustrated that I have to go back time and time again to try to stop things that the oath of office should stop. |
dancer42 Send message Joined: 2 Jun 02 Posts: 455 Credit: 2,422,890 RAC: 1 |
it seems to me that printable guns are most dangerous to regimes that have high militant dissident population, this may be far more dangerous to the Arab world than it is to us, infighting among Arab factions and the lack of sophisticated imaging detectors make finding them harder. I guess that the thing to look for will be tested designs that are small concealable and powerful at close range, quiet would be good to. |
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