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kittyman Send message Joined: 9 Jul 00 Posts: 51468 Credit: 1,018,363,574 RAC: 1,004 |
It is right and true that some should question the means by which Obama came to a second term, especially when the term was so debated and close. Do not doubt me, I shall stand up for my countrymen. Aside from you casting aspersion on my motives. I KNOW what my motives are, and if they are not yours, so be it. May we never be on other sides of the line. Some here are not on the USA side of the ocean, and yet they throw stones at things that are not their business to debate. "Freedom is just Chaos, with better lighting." Alan Dean Foster |
betreger Send message Joined: 29 Jun 99 Posts: 11361 Credit: 29,581,041 RAC: 66 |
Incoherent. |
Sarge Send message Joined: 25 Aug 99 Posts: 12273 Credit: 8,569,109 RAC: 79 |
Incoherent. That's what alcohol does, especially the kind bought with food stamps. |
kittyman Send message Joined: 9 Jul 00 Posts: 51468 Credit: 1,018,363,574 RAC: 1,004 |
What? You are referring to WHOM? Not me, I hope....... "Freedom is just Chaos, with better lighting." Alan Dean Foster |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30651 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
I don't understand this, anybody got idea's why NI and Fox are not facing shutdown asap. Well, was a law broken? AFIK it doesn't sound like any money changed hands. Anyone can urge anyone to run for any office. Anyone can offer to run a campaign. As to bankrolling it, post Citizens United, even that is likely 100% legal. |
Es99 Send message Joined: 23 Aug 05 Posts: 10874 Credit: 350,402 RAC: 0 |
I don't understand this, anybody got idea's why NI and Fox are not facing shutdown asap. Its still ok to be outraged at destructive legal things, and outraged at destructive laws. Reality Internet Personality |
Sarge Send message Joined: 25 Aug 99 Posts: 12273 Credit: 8,569,109 RAC: 79 |
I don't understand this, anybody got idea's why NI and Fox are not facing shutdown asap. However, that was not what WinterKnight implied. He asked or suggested if it was illegal. Both Gary and I have indicated that, to the best of our knowledge, it is not. |
kittyman Send message Joined: 9 Jul 00 Posts: 51468 Credit: 1,018,363,574 RAC: 1,004 |
Some here are not on the USA side of the ocean, and yet they throw stones at things that are not their business to debate. Morally and ethically wrong. That is the point. None should be allowed to sway the election of a public official of any status simply because they have the monetary means to do so. Obama came from Chicago, where the mob bosses are used to being able to buy anything they desire. Campaign finance reform and short term limits are what is needed to even START to right the ship here. "Freedom is just Chaos, with better lighting." Alan Dean Foster |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30651 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
Some here are not on the USA side of the ocean, and yet they throw stones at things that are not their business to debate. Not since Citizen's United. Here in the USA there can be no such scrutiny. Freedom of speech is how much ink and paper you can buy. |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30651 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
Obama came from Chicago, where the mob bosses are used to being able to buy anything they desire. Someone asked why Obama is so hated. The last president also elected by Chicago political machine mob connections was also hated. History records what happened to him. |
rob smith Send message Joined: 7 Mar 03 Posts: 22202 Credit: 416,307,556 RAC: 380 |
The trouble is, for many years the media moguls have sought the years of the political classes in most "civilised" nations. And the political classes have sought to make friends of the media moguls. Its not a "new thing", and no single current political leader or media mogul can be blamed for inventing it, as it probably goes back to the days of the broadsheet or the town crier. Money wants power, and power wants money, and they will do their best to satisfy their thirsts to their mutual advantage and mutual gain (probably at the expense of the "working man"). Bob Smith Member of Seti PIPPS (Pluto is a Planet Protest Society) Somewhere in the (un)known Universe? |
kittyman Send message Joined: 9 Jul 00 Posts: 51468 Credit: 1,018,363,574 RAC: 1,004 |
The trouble is, for many years the media moguls have sought the years of the political classes in most "civilised" nations. And the political classes have sought to make friends of the media moguls. Its not a "new thing", and no single current political leader or media mogul can be blamed for inventing it, as it probably goes back to the days of the broadsheet or the town crier. Money wants power, and power wants money, and they will do their best to satisfy their thirsts to their mutual advantage and mutual gain (probably at the expense of the "working man"). The problem is dividing political processes and business processes. The two should not be so tied in knots. Or allowed to influence each other so directly. Of course, and political even will influence business events. But one should not be 'sleeping in bed' with the other. "Freedom is just Chaos, with better lighting." Alan Dean Foster |
kittyman Send message Joined: 9 Jul 00 Posts: 51468 Credit: 1,018,363,574 RAC: 1,004 |
Obama came from Chicago, where the mob bosses are used to being able to buy anything they desire. About 4-1/2 years ago, I actually predicted such an event. I must confess, I truly did not think the election of this nation's first President of color would stand. I really did not. I really thought some idiot from the south would not be able to handle the concept and simply go ballistic and take him out. I DID. Not that I ever would espouse that......it was simply my fear at the time. I am rather surprised though, that it never came to pass. "Freedom is just Chaos, with better lighting." Alan Dean Foster |
Terror Australis Send message Joined: 14 Feb 04 Posts: 1817 Credit: 262,693,308 RAC: 44 |
I must admit Mark that 4 years ago I had the thought "I wonder how long he'll last". It's a tribute to America that nobody has taken a pot shot at Obama. Maybe the USA is more mature than the rest of the world gives it credit for. T.A. |
Es99 Send message Joined: 23 Aug 05 Posts: 10874 Credit: 350,402 RAC: 0 |
Careful Mark, you are skating dangerously close to the truth. Reality Internet Personality |
kittyman Send message Joined: 9 Jul 00 Posts: 51468 Credit: 1,018,363,574 RAC: 1,004 |
I always know the truth. There are some things that I cannot reveal. Due to who and what I am. You just have to trust me on this. Target, Beaver. "Freedom is just Chaos, with better lighting." Alan Dean Foster |
kittyman Send message Joined: 9 Jul 00 Posts: 51468 Credit: 1,018,363,574 RAC: 1,004 |
I must admit Mark that 4 years ago I had the thought "I wonder how long he'll last".Pot shot........ No, I really thought it would come down to a head shot. Russian ex mil guy.......a pawn, much as LHO was. He did not shoot JFK. I happen to know that now, and live in fear for my life, kids. Crap, said too much. Watch not just the Verpruder film, but the surviving footage surrounding it. It was a CIA hit. "Freedom is just Chaos, with better lighting." Alan Dean Foster |
Blurf Send message Joined: 2 Sep 06 Posts: 8962 Credit: 12,678,685 RAC: 0 |
No, I really thought it would come down to a head shot. More conspiracy theory bunk. Your same statement has bneen made many a time in many another fashion. This stuff that you know more than others on this simply isn't true or you wouldn't "slip" and say "too much". Either lay out what you know or let it wash, man. |
Blurf Send message Joined: 2 Sep 06 Posts: 8962 Credit: 12,678,685 RAC: 0 |
You think you know it all? You think I know it all? No actually I am not satisfied. The personal insult is unnecessary. This is nothing new that hasn't been said before. I've read all the conspiracy stuff--you just echo them. I am only trying to see evidence as to why you say you know so much more than others. What places your "knowledge" of the situation as fact others?? What distinguishes your info? |
kittyman Send message Joined: 9 Jul 00 Posts: 51468 Credit: 1,018,363,574 RAC: 1,004 |
You think you know it all? You think I know it all? You have read it all.? Every bit of it, as I have? You must have more info than I do, then.......certainly. I have. Shredded and documented every shred of data I could find over the years. The evidence is overwhelming. Simply astounding that some were never brought to trial. The Warren commission was a total farce. Bought and sold from day one. "Freedom is just Chaos, with better lighting." Alan Dean Foster |
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