What will happen if anything to the WU's that are completed and just waiting to be uploaded back to SETI if this problem exists past the due date of said WU's ?

Thanks and hope you get the problem fixed soon. Also are any of the SETI projects that are looking for signals in the Laser, Neutrino and other more advanced communication methods available as projects that might be going back thru older scans ?

Who's the system administrator on the project?

Right under Eric's name it says "Project Administrator"

Which means he's responsible for the Seti@home project.

The System Administrator is whoever happens to be around at the time- they don't have the funds to staff such a postion.

However to be a BOINC Project Administrator you would need the root password to install BOINC and that makes you the system admin by default.

There are likely 6 persons with the root passwords to the dozens of Seti and other machines in the server closet. Campus IT, Eric, Jeff, Matt, Dr. A and Dr. W. Campus IT has it for political reasons but leaves it alone except by special request or security breach. Dr. W doesn't administer machines that I know of, but does the project, e.g. paper pusher. Dr. A administers if it is strictly BOINC related, as BOINC is his baby. Eric is the administrator in chief of Seti@home and SetiBeta. Jeff and Matt are the sysops and programmer/analysts. At least that is my take on the very loose org chart.

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However to be a BOINC Project Administrator you would need the root password to install BOINC and that makes you the system admin by default.

Programmes would (or at least should) be installed as a user, no need to be an administrator. It's something Windows started doing with Vista onwards.
If a higher lever of access is required they could be made a super user (or equivalent), still no need for Admin access.

As far as a System Administrator goes, the closest to that at Seti@home would be Matt, even though it's not his actual job.

As was mentioned (either in this thread or one of others) they would need $100,000 per year minimum to pay someone to work in that position.

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Grant
Darwin NT

Sorry to hear of the crash. No cloud has not returned, it will serve for a review and possible improvements!


Siento mucho lo del crash. No hay mal que por bien no sea devuelto, esto servirá para una revisión y posibles mejoras!

JR Marklin
Valencia, Venezuela, South América

However to be a BOINC Project Administrator you would need the root password to install BOINC and that makes you the system admin by default.

Programmes would (or at least should) be installed as a user, no need to be an administrator. It's something Windows started doing with Vista onwards.

Understand your confusion, we are talking the server side, not the client side. It doesn't run on Windows, it runs on linux. To install anything more than a trivial program on linux/Unix you need root access. The BOINC server software isn't trivial.

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Sorry the scheduler is down. Will continue to work on downloaded projects then will fill time with other projects. Will be delighted when the scheduler is up and running again.

I noticed that my "join" date is wildly inaccurate. I joined in the mid 90's I believe but didn't get dsl until late 1999 so that may be the reason. Whatever the reason it had not diminished my enjoyment of participating.

Lisa Marie

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Sorry the scheduler is down. Will continue to work on downloaded projects then will fill time with other projects. Will be delighted when the scheduler is up and running again.

I noticed that my "join" date is wildly inaccurate. I joined in the mid 90's I believe but didn't get dsl until late 1999 so that may be the reason. Whatever the reason it had not diminished my enjoyment of participating.

Lisa Marie

Actually the project didn't start till around April 1999 if I remember correctly.

Check Eric's start date in the first post.

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Actually the project didn't start till around April 1999 if I remember correctly.

SETI@home was released to the public on May 17, 1999

See also Seti Classic Old News:

— May 23, 2001 —
Our official two-year anniversary was on May 17, 2001.

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I am very new to this but I appreciate your letting those of us who are involved know that your computers will be down for awhile. I just hope it won't be too long.

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Roger That! Thanks

What will happen if anything to the WU's that are completed and just waiting to be uploaded back to SETI if this problem exists past the due date of said WU's ?

Thanks and hope you get the problem fixed soon. Also are any of the SETI projects that are looking for signals in the Laser, Neutrino and other more advanced communication methods available as projects that might be going back thru older scans ?

BOINC allows a way to extend deadlines on the server; however, these extensions do not show on user computers. Perhaps Eric can find a way to extend all deadlines of workunits still in progress by the duration of the outage? Some BOINC projects also allow returning workunits after the deadline if the required number of copies have not already been returned by someone else; I don't know if SETI@Home is doing this, but with no workunits available for download, there's little of a chance anyone will be able to return competing copies first.

Perhaps looking at advanced communication methods like lasers, or even neutrino emissions might be promising.. Don't know the answer only that our RF search has som many "depends on" that it's probability is very very unlikely.

http://seti.berkeley.edu/
SEVENDIP (optical Seti)
IR Excess
SERENDIP (wide band radio Seti)
CASPER
Already in progress.
[/quote]

Only the first of these links is valid, but it goes to a page with valid links for the others.

Perhaps looking at advanced communication methods like lasers, or even neutrino emissions might be promising.. Don't know the answer only that our RF search has som many "depends on" that it's probability is very very unlikely.

http://seti.berkeley.edu/
SEVENDIP (optical Seti)
IR Excess
SERENDIP (wide band radio Seti)
CASPER
Already in progress.

Only the first of these links is valid, but it goes to a page with valid links for the others.

But they can be made valid by taking out the extra quote marks.

Still waiting
Good luck, guys

The Scheduler has been active for over 12 hours, though very difficult to actually contact. Waiting is not a bad idea, but most of the hosts on the project will be trying to report and get work in normal BOINCish fashion.

If anyone has work past deadline which has been completed and uploaded but not yet reported, I suggest abusing the update button to get it reported. Otherwise a replacement will go out to another host, and if that extra task is reported before yours the work your host did will be wasted.

                                                                    Joe

Why does this happen soooooo much......

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Because bandwidth and hardware isn't limitless and cost free

Good evening all,
I just got through successfully. Seems the occasional connection can still be made. I like the "abuse the update button" suggestion! Made me laugh.

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My 2 cents . . .

I am an (long time)EX- SETI user. When all these problems started (with regularity ) about a month ago I left, and now my two computers are crunching numbers for other BOINC projects.

I am amazed at the number of people writing here saying thanks for telling us what’s going on. They are only telling us what we already knew, it was broke, not working and they couldn’t fix it.

I am the Senior Network admin, for a medium sized international company, working out of Europe. I can just picture myself going to the Director of Information Managements office and saying, “Ted we have a problem, I’m going to work the network end and the data base admins will work the data base issues. In the mean time, I’m shutting down the entire network, and will be down for weeks or even months. Be patient and just keep trying to use it every other day or so” . . . LOL ! ! !( GO STRAIGHT TO THE UNEMPLOYMNET OFFICE, DO NOT COLLECT AN OTHER PAY CHECK )

Now some of you will be saying, “That that is a paid position with paid for assets and paid for full time workers”. True, BUT . . . IMHO wouldn’t it make more sense to limit the load on a network to what it can handle, and keep it up and running, rather than over loading a pieced together network, to the point where it is not running at all.

Here is an easy way for non-network types to understand it. Suppose you live near a forest. One day you chop down some tress, on your own, pull up the stumps, on your own, fill in the holes and level it off by hand. By using that road you save 30 min off a trip into town. All is good. You tell a few friends about the road and they start to use it was well. With the increased usage the pothole get bigger and road gets rougher and needs more repair. But you feel you’re doing a good thing so you keep making the repairs. Occasionally some one shows up with a shovel, and helps, but mostly your on your own. Pretty soon everyone wants you use your road. Pot holes must be filled in hourly, mud holes show up that must be filled in, and soon there is a two hour wait juts to get on your now, totally over used, totally tore up road. What can you do?? You can can’t build a new road, no money , you can’t hire someone to fix the road 24/7, no money. You simply tell the users to wait and be patient , that you’re working on, when you can.

Again . . . IMHO wouldn’t it make more sense to limit the load on a network to what it can handle, and keep it up and running, rather than over loading a pieced together network, to the point where it is not running at all.

Well I just thought I’d POP IN to see how well things were going ( and to TRY to get my completed SETI WORK UNITS that I STILL HAVE, to upload) . . . and for me, I felt I made the correct decision to move on to other projects . .
Just one more thing . . . something I learned working in the US Army . . . Signal Branch,

“The effective range on an excuse is . . . . ZERO Meters”

PS: ET, if you’re out there, PICK UP THE DAMN PHONE, before these guys go nutz !

Who's the system administrator on the project?

Right under Eric's name it says "Project Administrator" Take a grain of salt and call me in the morning.

I run Einstein as well. They seemingly have a better group or configuration.

They have $$$$$$$$$$, Seti@home doesn't.

I worry SETI is just a part time job for some of your people.

No need to worry, it is a part time job! Not enough $$ for anyone to be full time.

A conference to discuss SETI and technology as well as whether the analysis path pursued is still viable or do we need a shift in overall approach to maximize the utility of you SETI volunteer corps.. Given a rudimentary analysis of Earth's radio frequency history (we go from Broadband Noise pulse generation to Digital Microwave inside of a 100 years) you realize other civilizations might only use RF for communications for a very short window in time. Even if the signals are floating around out there time coincidence is very unlikely and probability of intercept very low low indeed. Then propagation distance means any intercepted signals would be so far back in time that we'd be unlikely and unable to communicate back within any reasonable period to establish a comm channel.

Perhaps looking at advanced communication methods like lasers, or even neutrino emissions might be promising.. Don't know the answer only that our RF search has som many "depends on" that it's probability is very very unlikely.

Feel free to stop by http://www.gpuug.org/catalog and make a generous donation. We have a campaign going on right now to purchase two new servers for Upload / Download / BOINC / NTPCKR. You can also make a cash donation to S@H to support their general fund which helps keep the lights on. Both are tax deductible if you live in the US (and a few other countries.)

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My 2 cents . . .

Here is an easy way for non-network types to understand it. Suppose you live near a forest. One day you chop down some tress, on your own, pull up the stumps, on your own, fill in the holes and level it off by hand. By using that road you save 30 min off a trip into town. All is good. You tell a few friends about the road and they start to use it was well. With the increased usage the pothole get bigger and road gets rougher and needs more repair. But you feel you’re doing a good thing so you keep making the repairs. Occasionally some one shows up with a shovel, and helps, but mostly your on your own. Pretty soon everyone wants you use your road. Pot holes must be filled in hourly, mud holes show up that must be filled in, and soon there is a two hour wait juts to get on your now, totally over used, totally tore up road. What can you do?? You can can’t build a new road, no money , you can’t hire someone to fix the road 24/7, no money. You simply tell the users to wait and be patient , that you’re working on, when you can.
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Yes. Yes you do.

Traffic backs up all the time on overused roads. The road users learn that they either wait to use the shorter, overused road or they take another, less convenient route.

You not only chose to use another route, but also felt it necessary to honk your horn at those waiting patiently in line.

A network, much like a chain, is only as strong as its weakest link.

As someone else has frequently said "You were the weakest link. Goodbye."

I shall wait patiently for something that I believe in to recover in its own time. Meanwhile my insignificant machines automatically get to work a little harder for other causes I believe in, while they are not working for me.


Len

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I think I am. Therefore I am. I think.