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Nick Send message Joined: 11 Oct 11 Posts: 4344 Credit: 3,313,107 RAC: 0 |
Well I ask you, Sirius..."What hope have we got". You can see it, I can see it, just how long is it going to take the whole electorate to see it too. The Kite Fliers -------------------- Kite fliers: An imaginary club of solo members, those who don't yet belong to a formal team so "fly their own kites" - as the saying goes. |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24877 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
Well I ask you, Sirius..."What hope have we got". You can see it, I can see it, You'll be surprised! 2 months ago, the % for exiting the EU stood at 48%, 1 month ago, 51% & currently it stands at 56%. If that's not a warning for the muppets, I don't know what is! However, they continue to ignore it & what's been happening in Europe will only escalate & we'll see it here. Troops haven't been on our streets for Civil Defence since 1926 (Excluding wars), & we'll see it in our lifetimes.... ....that's what I find extremely worrying! |
Nick Send message Joined: 11 Oct 11 Posts: 4344 Credit: 3,313,107 RAC: 0 |
Well I ask you, Sirius..."What hope have we got". You can see it, I can see it, Well, if as I suspect and we slip into depression late next year then troops on the streets could be a possibility. Europe will start to collapse plus virtually all those associated economies too. Here, Cameron will have wished he had gone ahead with his initial objective in calling a Euro referendum when he first got into No.10. Had we got out, as the vote would have gone against our continuation of membership, we would by now have improved markedly on our exports to the rest of the world. Hence been in a better position to have been less resilient on our exports to the ECM. It's the early bird that catches the worm but unfortunately for Cameron he's going to realise that slumbering around in bed for too long has caused us to miss a lot of them. I have a nasty feeling here, Sirius; I don't think Cameron can handle the responsibility nor the decision making that all Prime Ministers must be able to handle. He's too worried in case he gets something wrong. Now we know why our only two great Prime Ministers we had past century did so well....they were not scared to make decisions for they were not scared of getting some of them wrong....just as long as they got most of them right....."Good evening Winston, good evening Maggie". The Kite Fliers -------------------- Kite fliers: An imaginary club of solo members, those who don't yet belong to a formal team so "fly their own kites" - as the saying goes. |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24877 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
I have a nasty feeling here, Sirius; I don't think Cameron can handle the Darn it! Will you stop getting inside my head......... ....... It's time for: - |
Nick Send message Joined: 11 Oct 11 Posts: 4344 Credit: 3,313,107 RAC: 0 |
I have a nasty feeling here, Sirius; I don't think Cameron can handle the Did you know that Winston was a marksman when shooting with a revolver? The Kite Fliers -------------------- Kite fliers: An imaginary club of solo members, those who don't yet belong to a formal team so "fly their own kites" - as the saying goes. |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24877 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
Yes & with a rifle. What the youth of today don't realise is that he was a soldier & a war correspondent before he ever became a politician. |
Nick Send message Joined: 11 Oct 11 Posts: 4344 Credit: 3,313,107 RAC: 0 |
Yes & with a rifle. What the youth of today don't realise is that he was a soldier & a war correspondent before he ever became a politician. By the way things are going we will have to wait at least another 10 years before we ever get another decent leader. Do you know by chance of anyone coming up through the ranks by the name of either, "Winston Thatcher or Margaret Churchill" ?? The Kite Fliers -------------------- Kite fliers: An imaginary club of solo members, those who don't yet belong to a formal team so "fly their own kites" - as the saying goes. |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24877 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
Yes & with a rifle. What the youth of today don't realise is that he was a soldier & a war correspondent before he ever became a politician. Miracles I can achieve, but the impossible takes a bit longer........ |
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19014 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
Yes & with a rifle. What the youth of today don't realise is that he was a soldier & a war correspondent before he ever became a politician. Unfortunately these days most politicians are professional politicians. In that thats what their rich parents did/do, joined the party, then studied suitable subjects at university, worked as unpaid interns (was going to say a** l**k***) for several years, then as paid assistants and then if they are deemed suitably brainwashed, placed into a nomination at a safe seat. If the omens are good and the local party accepts then they get voted in. Then if they don't do anything silly and obey the whips they get a junior ministerial appointment in a few years. None of the go out and find out about the world, then when middle aged decide to become an MP so that sensible debates can be had and therefore sensible laws. |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24877 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
Good post, but it would have been better had you said "professional thieves" instead of politicians. |
Uli Send message Joined: 6 Feb 00 Posts: 10923 Credit: 5,996,015 RAC: 1 |
For crying out loud. We all have to make do with the money in our account or we are in trouble. Everybody needs to bite the bullet. Cuts in Benefits, no, but we do need more control to get the cheats of the free train. Cuts in military spending is definetly something the USA needs to do. Help to the poor in other Nations, yes, but only if 99% makes a dent. Pork spending should not be allowed. I could go on, this is just a start. Yes I know, all my paychecks should just go towards my $21,000 a year deficit, but then how would I survive? There is no easy solution. Only if we as humans can work together as one, this can be solved. Going to happen, not in my lifetime I think. I am going to shut up now, as I don't what to even comment on the Israel/Hamma issue. Just to sad. Uli's rant over. Pluto will always be a planet to me. Seti Ambassador Not to late to order an Anni Shirt |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24877 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
Don't see that as a rant but a post with valid points. The problem is that we at the bottom end of the ladder know what needs to be done - the problems lies at the top! |
Uli Send message Joined: 6 Feb 00 Posts: 10923 Credit: 5,996,015 RAC: 1 |
Don't see that as a rant but a post with valid points. Thank you Sb, but how can we fix it? Pluto will always be a planet to me. Seti Ambassador Not to late to order an Anni Shirt |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24877 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
Carry on the way we're going, highlighting the thievery, corruption, misplaced ideals, selfishness. Years ago, there were 3 famous institutions that were feared internationally: - The FBI Scotland Yard Interpol First off, we need to create something similar once again, only this time, ENSURE that politics does not rear its ugly head within those organisations, with senior positions gained on merit not what party one votes for. Secondly, ensure that the laws covers all & not exclude the privledged. Thirdly, & this one I'm definitely going to get hazed on, is to make it an offence to avoid voting in national elections: - Don't vote, then can't whine! Fourthly, anyone convicted of tax avoidance/evasion should do hard time & not sit pretty in a 5 star hotel. Also (at least here in the UK anyway), return ALL prisons to what they are originally meant for: - A hard cold place for those that breach society's laws - no more soft touchs because of their human rights! Then with the right people in the right places at the right time, the rest will take care of itself. |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24877 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
One good thing about Germany is its press. It does not pull any of its punches or sugar-coat the bad pills! We had a free press once that did just that, unfortunately, $$$$$$ got in the way! Once again, its Der Spiegel to the rescue, unfortunately, these reports just backs up what Nick & I have been saying! Temporary Euro-Exit would help stabilise Greece Self Deception in Berlin damaging Greece Coalition parties demands clarity from Merkel Germany is about to feel the pinch for the 1st time since the crisis erupted - just wonder how they feel about that & what will be their answer in next years elections? 2013 could turn out to be a very interesting year for all. |
Nick Send message Joined: 11 Oct 11 Posts: 4344 Credit: 3,313,107 RAC: 0 |
One good thing about Germany is its press. It does not pull any of its punches or sugar-coat the bad pills! Yes Sirius, all this nestles nicely into our way of thinking on these matters during the past year. Will the Euro survive though, to me it seems this is only possible if the like of Greece and Portugal leave the Euro, something Merkel is resolutely against. Merkel's against this for she fears that if a country was to leave the Euro this could lead to the break up of the whole union. It was interesting to note that Werner Sinn favours European integration, yet history shows that this is never ever successful. Most probably due to the fact that fiscalities takes over at some stage and with respect to Europe this is showing itself by way of a nasty monetary irritating rash that can not not be cured by the normal application of fiscal-medicines. The Kite Fliers -------------------- Kite fliers: An imaginary club of solo members, those who don't yet belong to a formal team so "fly their own kites" - as the saying goes. |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24877 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
Agree Nick, however, in the last link above there is one thing that sticks out like a sore thumb..... "Schäuble and Merkel are trying to use other measures in order to buy time." Huh? They've had 4 years already! What I'm thinking is that, maybe they're waiting for either Greece or Britain to exit so that they can be absolved from any damage done to the EU. We'll find out tomorrow.... Britain will still end up paying more Maybe Neville Chamberlain's grandson will be returning with a piece of paper..... |
Nick Send message Joined: 11 Oct 11 Posts: 4344 Credit: 3,313,107 RAC: 0 |
Agree Nick, however, in the last link above there is one thing that sticks out like a sore thumb..... Yes Sirius, we hit on this point many moons ago and that if the ECM breaks up "they" will be looking for a scape goat. You've known this, I've known this so one can only speculate that Cameron too...knows this. Seems we're caught between a rock and a hard place here? What's the solution?? I think it's to reduce our involvement and play a secondary roll within the ECM. 1st, Cameron tells the summit that the UK is paying no more than what it's paying into the ECM coffers at the moment and that this amount will not be increased in the future. 2nd, tell the summit that the UK will no further acknowledge any further laws or directives as issued by Brussels. 3rd, that the UK will hold a referendum on these issues and if supported by the electorate will become cemented. 4th, the UK will throw out any Brussels directives contrary to the benefits to the UK...aka we take back our fishing waters. If at the summit the rest there don't agree to them then they will have to throw us out. The Kite Fliers -------------------- Kite fliers: An imaginary club of solo members, those who don't yet belong to a formal team so "fly their own kites" - as the saying goes. |
Nick Send message Joined: 11 Oct 11 Posts: 4344 Credit: 3,313,107 RAC: 0 |
Britain will still end up paying more The Government said this is inevitable as agricultural subsidies reduce and more of the budget goes on spending in poorer new EU member states. So not only is the ECM being bogged down by Greece, Portugal and the likes it has also got the "poorer EU members" financial millstone around it's neck too. As we have stated before,the ECM consistently tries to run before it has ever learnt to walk. Pumping billions in to the poorer EU countries is nothing more than a case of Europeanisation through the back door. Trying to turn them into wealthy countries in the image of Europe's best. How many times has this occurred in the past where nations have tried to convert other nations around it. The Egyptians, the Greeks, the Mongolians, the Romans and the British too. All failed in the end and so too will Europeanisation for all though all reside in the continent of Europe does not mean that all see themselves as Europeans. Us Brits don't and how many others out there too don't either??? The Kite Fliers -------------------- Kite fliers: An imaginary club of solo members, those who don't yet belong to a formal team so "fly their own kites" - as the saying goes. |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24877 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
Who the heck is Grieve? & how much is the EU paying him? EU must face up to Economic realities You're having a laugh mate! Oops - & you muppets want an increase in your budget? definitely having a laugh & at our expense! UK credit rating in spotlight - soon Frenchie can laugh You just gotta love Der Spiegel...... Cameron's Risky EU Showdown Good old Boris..."he wrote in his Daily Telegraph column, in reference to former Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher. Raising the EU budget, he wrote, "is like handing an ice cream to the fattest boy in class, while the rest of the kids are on starvation diets."" Unfortunately, its the Frenchie's again with their CAP stranglehold.... "That, however, has triggered furious protest in France, which is the largest recipient of agricultural support." |
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