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Reed Young Send message Joined: 23 Feb 06 Posts: 122 Credit: 81,383 RAC: 0 |
You won't see this story on Fox, and you won't read it in the Wall Street Journal. But it really happened. And if you recently voted Republican, more of this sort of political propagandizing by the most powerful elected Republicans is what you have voted to help enable. Whichever policy you support, suppressing the facts and suppressing non-partisan, professional analysis as Senate Republicans just did, is simply un-American. Nonpartisan Tax Report Withdrawn After G.O.P. Protest Decide for yourself whether Senate Republicans had any legitimate complaint about the "tone" or the "findings" of the CRS report that they have tried to suppress. |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24879 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
They probably can't face up to reality...... "This will be an acid test for the Republicans. The old guard won't give up so easily. You only have to watch Fox News, a virtual land of denial where many commentators refused to acknowledge the results late into the night. Above all Rove, who kept resisting even after his network had called the race for Obama." The New America flexs its muscles |
John Clark Send message Joined: 29 Sep 99 Posts: 16515 Credit: 4,418,829 RAC: 0 |
From the analysis of the two parties after the election on BBC's NewsNight, it appears, from the consensus, that the USA has moved on culturally and religion is holding back the Republicans. Stuck in a 1950s early 1960s time warp on attitudes and policies. It's good to be back amongst friends and colleagues |
BarryAZ Send message Joined: 1 Apr 01 Posts: 2580 Credit: 16,982,517 RAC: 0 |
John, in terms of the cultural battle, it is interesting that the Teapublican partisans which dominate the Republican Party today are largely older white men. These folks were the younger folks who were part of the Nixon 'silent majority' of the 1960's. Today, the culture war that broke out in the 60's is being revisited. But demographics and values have moved forward. Frankly, the Democrats really NEED a legitimate center right party (let's call that party the Republicans) to work with in order to effectively govern. The Teapublican partisans who dominate the Republican Party today are bad for the Republican Party (those demographics are going to increasingly undermine its voice). (I'd note as an aside that the only reason the Teapublicans didn't get pushed back big time in the House, like they did in the Senate was the control Republicans had in critical state houses during redistricting which happens every 10 years). But that Teapublican dominance is also bad for governance in general as the Democratic party doesn't have a moderating partner for bipartisan governance -- and they seriously need that. |
skildude Send message Joined: 4 Oct 00 Posts: 9541 Credit: 50,759,529 RAC: 60 |
actually the Conservative Catholic is a modern product. 50's and 60's Catholics were very liberal and supported Democratics ideals(house and feed the poor, take care of those that cannot take care of themselves). Modern Catholics are all about the abortion issue. They've seem to have forgotten own to look after those that are already alive and worry about those that aren't, yet. Noble as that is it still is a deep change in philosophy for the Catholics In a rich man's house there is no place to spit but his face. Diogenes Of Sinope |
BarryAZ Send message Joined: 1 Apr 01 Posts: 2580 Credit: 16,982,517 RAC: 0 |
Skill, to a large degree, the developing schism within the Catholic church is similar to the schism with the Republican party. A large proportion (probably a solid majority here) of Catholics are NOT supportive of the birth control diktat of the church. Also a fair proportion don't support the Churches absolute position on abortion. Further, on issues regarding women's role within the church, celebacy of priests, protection of predators within the church, and a number of other issues, the Church is doing itself more harm than help. These plus a retreat from social justice positions have meant that large numbers of Catholics have left the church -- either to become non-observers, or to join in increasing numbers some evangelical church. The Republican party is faced with somewhat similar dilemmas - the antipathy toward the poor, toward immigrants, toward gays is attracting far right advocates who previously might have been outside of the party, while losing moderates, gays (who might well support rational fiscal conservatism), hispanics and the young. |
skildude Send message Joined: 4 Oct 00 Posts: 9541 Credit: 50,759,529 RAC: 60 |
Skill, to a large degree, the developing schism within the Catholic church is similar to the schism with the Republican party. Agreed. If you ever go to Mass you'll note that most families have 2 or fewer children and the parents seem quite happy with that number. Now one can assume that the parents stopped having sex after the children were born or reality where the parents are being responsible to themselves and the rest of the world by not popping out 12+ kids that they cannot afford or support. In a rich man's house there is no place to spit but his face. Diogenes Of Sinope |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24879 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
Now one can assume that the parents stopped having sex after the children were born or reality where the parents are being responsible to themselves and the rest of the world by not popping out 12+ kids that they cannot afford or support. Now that's already being picked up on here, with the government considering only paying child support for the 1st 2. 40 years well overdue, but whether or not it'll be implemented is another matter. |
BarryAZ Send message Joined: 1 Apr 01 Posts: 2580 Credit: 16,982,517 RAC: 0 |
Check out the birth rate in Italy -- a nominally Catholic country. |
John Clark Send message Joined: 29 Sep 99 Posts: 16515 Credit: 4,418,829 RAC: 0 |
The Republican party is faced with somewhat similar dilemmas - the antipathy toward the poor, toward immigrants, toward gays is attracting far right advocates who previously might have been outside of the party, while losing moderates, gays (who might well support rational fiscal conservatism), Hispanics and the young. These are the very points the NewsNight analysis came up with, and the ageing religious white majority came up with. This drives the policy agenda against all the groups you mentioned. You can also add - African blacks, Latinos, women (50% of the population), etc. Having policies which in part alienates these large minority groups means there are not enough aged white males being minted to give the votes to counter balance at elections, etc. Which is why I suggested they were stuck in a time warp, probably better chosen from the post war area. It's good to be back amongst friends and colleagues |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30646 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
Time warp? I think all of you are completely missing the mark! The tea idiots are throwbacks to the 4th century!! Absolutely no different that any other fundamentalist religion. For many years they were taken in by the democrat party. Then sometime around the 60's the democrats threw them out. It took until the 80's before the idiots settled into the Republican party. Now that they seem to have gone off and formed the Tea idiots perhaps the Republicans can finish throwing them out and they can become a totally marginalized non issue. |
Blurf Send message Joined: 2 Sep 06 Posts: 8962 Credit: 12,678,685 RAC: 0 |
Time warp? I think all of you are completely missing the mark! I'll agree with that. It's almost a cult-like situation. |
bobby Send message Joined: 22 Mar 02 Posts: 2866 Credit: 17,789,109 RAC: 3 |
Time warp? I think all of you are completely missing the mark! Agreed, the Republican Party need a modern version of LBJ (or Lincoln if you want to go further back for leaders that transformed their party's base). W may have been able to do it, since then I don't think any of the serious contenders have thought of trying. I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ... |
Ex: "Socialist" Send message Joined: 12 Mar 12 Posts: 3433 Credit: 2,616,158 RAC: 2 |
Skill, to a large degree, the developing schism within the Catholic church is similar to the schism with the Republican party. [OT]On the subject of Catholics and birth control, the women of the church (even nuns) have strayed from the Vatican's stance... Here's one example. http://www.npr.org/2012/07/25/157356092/bishop-explains-vaticans-criticism-of-u-s-nuns[/OT] #resist |
bobby Send message Joined: 22 Mar 02 Posts: 2866 Credit: 17,789,109 RAC: 3 |
Republicans have lost the culture war. Social conservatives it seems your days on the US political stage are numbered. Your continuing strangle hold on the Republican Party platform all but guarantee further Democratic Party victories. Your party will either handle this truth and dump you, or follow the Whigs into the history books. I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ... |
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19057 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
Looks like some people tried to oppose the truth deniers. ATHENS, Ga. — Charles Darwin earned almost 4,000 write-in votes against a Georgia congressman who denounced evolution and other scientific theories as “lies straight from the pit of hell.†Charles Darwin gets nearly 4,000 write-in votes in Athens against Rep. Broun |
Ex: "Socialist" Send message Joined: 12 Mar 12 Posts: 3433 Credit: 2,616,158 RAC: 2 |
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W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19057 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
Is the US now becoming an offshore location for manufacturing companies. Foxconn 'considers plan to open factories in US' Taiwan company's reportedly evaluating LA and Detroit as site for TV assembly plants owing to rising labour costs at home |
Ex: "Socialist" Send message Joined: 12 Mar 12 Posts: 3433 Credit: 2,616,158 RAC: 2 |
Is the US now becoming an offshore location for manufacturing companies. Hey, if things are balancing out that quick in the global economy, I'm ok with it. #resist |
soft^spirit Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 6497 Credit: 34,134,168 RAC: 0 |
High oil costs could actually help. It costs more and more to send things to Asia and back... Janice |
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