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Message 1310377 - Posted: 26 Nov 2012, 3:42:57 UTC - in response to Message 1310358.  

Interesting, but ...

I don't see where they showed which came first, propensity to schizophrenia or cannabis use. It will need a much bigger study to see if it isn't the reverse, schizophrenia causes cannabis use.

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Message 1310381 - Posted: 26 Nov 2012, 4:28:31 UTC - in response to Message 1310377.  

Interesting, but ...

I don't see where they showed which came first, propensity to schizophrenia or cannabis use. It will need a much bigger study to see if it isn't the reverse, schizophrenia causes cannabis use.

Agree'd, more reseach is needed, but because drugs are illegal in most countries there is little political incentive.

Therefore although I am not in favour of drugs, including to a certain extent ones that are legal, I would support making them legal, but heavily taxed and use some of the money to do serious research.
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Message 1313542 - Posted: 10 Dec 2012, 15:23:45 UTC - in response to Message 1313536.  

Of course PM Cameron has got it 100% right. Those who advocate going soft on drugs are also going soft in the head. As we have a cluster of Left Wingers on these boards, no doubt I'll be strongly disagreed with. Nothing new there then!

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Advocates for and critics of the decriminalization of drug use come from a broad spectrum, your left vs right paradigm fails to address this. A better axis seems to me to be the orthogonal Authoritarian vs Libertarian.
I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ...

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Message 1313576 - Posted: 10 Dec 2012, 16:55:13 UTC
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I only advocate going soft on marijuana. And only because I always have, and continue to feel that it is less dangerous than alcohol. Ciggs are also legal, though horribly unhealthy for the user and the people around them.

It seems a hypocrisy to have alcohol and ciggs available to the public, but make marijuana a crime.

I'm not pro-legalizing it per se. However I do feel that if Alcohol and ciggs are accepted as legal, taxed and regulated sin products, pot should be too.

So either ban all of em (and we know how well that doesn't work), or allow all three.
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Message 1313608 - Posted: 10 Dec 2012, 18:10:30 UTC - in response to Message 1313599.  

Advocates for and critics of the decriminalization of drug use come from a broad spectrum, your left vs right paradigm fails to address this. A better axis seems to me to be the orthogonal Authoritarian vs Libertarian.

Strewth, that was one quote worthy for the archives. Quite impressive!

er ... whats it mean? ;-)))))

It means that those in favour of legalisation are not necessarily "lefties". There are those on both the left and right who support legalisation.

It comes down to the Authoritarian (I'm right and you will do as I say) vs the Libertarians (You have the right to do as you wish provided you don't hurt anyone else).

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Message 1313619 - Posted: 10 Dec 2012, 18:24:31 UTC - in response to Message 1310051.  

he can post freely. And I am free to add to the ignore if his drivel gets any worse. The worm and I.D can keep him company.



Use my name in vain? LOL!

They leave the border open...

They allow pot to cross with intent of catching the user...

They catch the user and fine them hugely so to hire more cops later...

Close the border and keep it as a crime, or...

Make it legal...

It's a vicious cycle that the citizen will always lose in till the citizen makes up their mind as to what they wish to do about it.
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Message 1313626 - Posted: 10 Dec 2012, 18:42:49 UTC - in response to Message 1313624.  

But where does that leave the "look this really isn't good for you and Nanny knows best" adherents?

Did you ever meet a Nanny that wasn't an authoritarian ? :-)

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Message 1313631 - Posted: 10 Dec 2012, 18:56:55 UTC

Legalization is likely the most teapublican idea to come along. Make it all legal, just get your use license and pay the tax. That use license comes with the obvious mandatory testing if you are driving a motor vehicle, the obvious ban on a pilot's license, and the DNR order so your OD is your problem not the tax payers. To round out the tea, that use license means you don't get welfare or other entitlements. Just imagine how many people come off entitlements. Would this balance the budget?

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Message 1313743 - Posted: 10 Dec 2012, 22:48:00 UTC - in response to Message 1313624.  
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It means that those in favour of legalisation are not necessarily "lefties". There are those on both the left and right who support legalisation.

It comes down to the Authoritarian (I'm right and you will do as I say) vs the Libertarians (You have the right to do as you wish provided you don't hurt anyone else).

OK, fair enough. And there was me thinking that all pot smokers were people with goatee beards, open toed sandals, clutching a copy of the Guardian. Oh well you live and learn.

But where does that leave the "look this really isn't good for you and Nanny knows best" adherents?

Still needing a nanny when they're adults?

BTW, do you really believe that Ian Botham fits your stereotype? Or Robert Mitchum? Surely not Queen Victoria? How about multi billionaire Mayor of New York, Michael ("You bet I did. And I enjoyed it.") Bloomberg?
I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ...

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Message 1313835 - Posted: 11 Dec 2012, 3:21:06 UTC - in response to Message 1313631.  
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Legalization is likely the most teapublican idea to come along. Make it all legal, just get your use license and pay the tax. That use license comes with the obvious mandatory testing if you are driving a motor vehicle, the obvious ban on a pilot's license, and the DNR order so your OD is your problem not the tax payers. To round out the tea, that use license means you don't get welfare or other entitlements. Just imagine how many people come off entitlements. Would this balance the budget?

Don't you know it's impossible to "OD" on pot ? If you smoke to excess, you just pass out till it wears off. It's not like Heroin or Crack where an overdose can kill unless treated.

Why all the other restrictions ? If it was legalised, users should be treated no differently to those who use alcohol.

BTW Alcohol is one of the most dangerous drugs around. Physiologically it's more harmful than Heroin. (It isn't the Smack that kills junkies, it's the junkie lifestyle.)

When you have some time to kill, check out these from the Oz ABC documentary series "What's Your Poison" Alcohol and Marijuana

Edit: Here's another interesting one Caffeine

These links go to a précis of the shows, click on the "Scripts" button to get the full content.

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Message 1313843 - Posted: 11 Dec 2012, 4:02:14 UTC - in response to Message 1313835.  

Make it all legal

Don't you know it's impossible to "OD" on pot ? If you smoke to excess, you just pass out till it wears off. It's not like Heroin or Crack where an overdose can kill unless treated.

The word all encompass LSD, heroin, morphine, crack, oxy, roofies, GHB, bath salts, angel dust, bennies, Viagra, hemlock, digitalis, ... as well as pot.

Just give your local pharmacist your certified abuser identification card and some cash and take home what you want.

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Message 1313854 - Posted: 11 Dec 2012, 4:27:31 UTC

Gary, Pot is ok, the rest should be off limits. From what I understand...........................................!!!!!!!
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Message 1313866 - Posted: 11 Dec 2012, 5:50:27 UTC - in response to Message 1313536.  

Of course PM Cameron has got it 100% right. Those who advocate going soft on drugs are also going soft in the head. As we have a cluster of Left Wingers on these boards, no doubt I'll be strongly disagreed with. Nothing new there then!

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I have already indicated those voting for it in CO are Republicans or Libertarians, unless in Boulder. I possess some deep knowledge on this fact.
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Message 1313867 - Posted: 11 Dec 2012, 5:50:51 UTC - in response to Message 1313854.  

Gary, Pot is ok, the rest should be off limits. From what I understand...........................................!!!!!!!

That is why you have the certified abuser card. If you got an RX, not an issue, same as today.

Prohibitions generally don't work. Don't waste money or resources on them. Heck there is a country where drug offenses are capital. They still have a problem. If it is going to exist anyway, might as well tax and regulate. Get real.

Well, I'm thinking that the Darwin awards should be handed out and not the nanny state. People are responsible for themselves. If they can't make basic smart decisions about themselves why should we attempt to force them into doing it? As long as we aren't spending precious tax payer resources and we are getting valuable taxpayer $$$ from the Darwin candidate ...


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Message 1313984 - Posted: 11 Dec 2012, 14:57:27 UTC - in response to Message 1313924.  

The fact is that the average oiks in the street aren't exactly the brightest biscuits in the barrel. When they OD on drugs because they are to stupid not to, its the hospitals that pick up the tab to sort it out, with tax payers money.

That is why the DNR comes with the permit. Leave them where they lie. NO TREATMENT!

Sometimes a responsible government has a duty to protect its citizens from their own idiocy.

There you go with the nanny state. It makes all decisions for all citizens because the are too much of an idiot to make decisions for themselves. That road is the one paved with good intentions, we know where it leads.

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Message 1313987 - Posted: 11 Dec 2012, 15:10:46 UTC - in response to Message 1313984.  

yes we know you support the good old days when senior citizens ate cat food.

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Message 1313988 - Posted: 11 Dec 2012, 15:12:02 UTC - in response to Message 1313624.  

OK, fair enough. And there was me thinking that all pot smokers were people with goatee beards, open toed sandals, clutching a copy of the Guardian.

Sigh.
As you know, I have long hair. AND a goatee.
I have sometimes worn sandals. Sometimes they were "open-toed".
I have owned/worn four tie-dye shirts since about age 26.
And I've NEVER touched marijuana.
I have known people from well off families that smoke it.
I have known Republicans that smoke it.
I have known people that served in the Air Force that smoke it.
Shall I scour my memory and come up with more examples?
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Message 1314020 - Posted: 11 Dec 2012, 16:59:56 UTC - in response to Message 1313987.  

yes we know you support the good old days when senior citizens ate cat food.

You mean they didn't plan ahead and have twenty kids and move in with them ...

Oh, that is social security - as it exists today, steal from the working generation and give to the older one. It should be an annuity where the working pay for themselves, but that requires discipline, something severely lacking in society.

Look I know you have to relieve all suffering in the world. Sisyphus comes to mind. Some people are beyond help. The sooner you realize it and let them fail the better off the needs of the many are. Think of it as tough love.

Sorry for getting off the drug topic.


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Message 1314031 - Posted: 11 Dec 2012, 17:20:41 UTC - in response to Message 1313988.  
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OK, fair enough. And there was me thinking that all pot smokers were people with goatee beards, open toed sandals, clutching a copy of the Guardian.

Sigh.
As you know, I have long hair. AND a goatee.
I have sometimes worn sandals. Sometimes they were "open-toed".
I have owned/worn four tie-dye shirts since about age 26.
And I've NEVER touched marijuana.
I have known people from well off families that smoke it.
I have known Republicans that smoke it.
I have known people that served in the Air Force that smoke it.
Shall I scour my memory and come up with more examples?


^: Point 1, agreed. There is no social or economic stereotype that fits those who do OR those who don't partake.

@ Gary: We know your libertarian beliefs concerning drug control. But something I've mentioned before and will ask again is, do you really think tobacco, alcohol, and marijuana use warrants signing a DNR as if you will OD and die? Personally I think perhaps alcohol could do that to you, but marijuana? It just seems to me that you classify pot the same as you would crack, and that's just not how things are in the real world.

@ Gary again:
Oh, that is social security - as it exists today, steal from the working generation and give to the older one. It should be an annuity where the working pay for themselves, but that requires discipline, something severely lacking in society.

Erm, you mean 401Ks and IRAs??? I thought almost every one in this country with long term employment has one of those, maybe I'm mistaken. Point is Social Security is hardly what you make it out to be.
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