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Bernie Vine Send message Joined: 26 May 99 Posts: 9958 Credit: 103,452,613 RAC: 328 |
A few days ago I supported the appointment of a young girl to be the first Youth PCC. I did so on the basis that it was an initiative that was at least worth trying. I still think that is the case, but if the allegations in this report are correct, then clearly the wrong person was given the job, and should be dismissed. Perhaps the question should be, why did no one check her twitter or facebook account before giving her a public job. Sorry but if you have anyone in the public eye the press/media obviously try and find out all the dirt they can, it's the way they operate. |
James Sotherden Send message Joined: 16 May 99 Posts: 10436 Credit: 110,373,059 RAC: 54 |
A few days ago I supported the appointment of a young girl to be the first Youth PCC. I did so on the basis that it was an initiative that was at least worth trying. I still think that is the case, but if the allegations in this report are correct, then clearly the wrong person was given the job, and should be dismissed. Here in the states a lot of employers will check the social networks. And then the young folks wonder why they dont get that coveted job when they have pics of them half naked smoking a joint and saying that the boss at McDonalds sucks big time. [/quote] Old James |
Nick Send message Joined: 11 Oct 11 Posts: 4344 Credit: 3,313,107 RAC: 0 |
Baroness Thatcher dies today. For many, her philosophy was summed up in a magazine interview she gave in 1987. Yes Chris, but how many peoples eyes are open to this need?...not enough of them I'd say. The Kite Fliers -------------------- Kite fliers: An imaginary club of solo members, those who don't yet belong to a formal team so "fly their own kites" - as the saying goes. |
Nick Send message Joined: 11 Oct 11 Posts: 4344 Credit: 3,313,107 RAC: 0 |
She saw the benefit dependent society emerging before most of us did. Since then of course we have had the compensation culture over the pond from the USA, which has made things even worse. She got the poll tax dreadfully wrong it has to be said though. This country needs another Winnie or Thatcher, but we ain't got one. In the meantime we do the best we can, keeping Labour out, and modern Toryism in check. It's not perfect but it's the best we can do for the time being until 2015. The trouble is, "we can't keep waiting", decisive action is required immediately and Cameron needs to put his Maggie Knickers on and force the pace of change. The Kite Fliers -------------------- Kite fliers: An imaginary club of solo members, those who don't yet belong to a formal team so "fly their own kites" - as the saying goes. |
rob smith Send message Joined: 7 Mar 03 Posts: 22528 Credit: 416,307,556 RAC: 380 |
And dig her handbag out of its slumbers. The lady may not have been for turning, but her handbag was certainly for swinging. Bob Smith Member of Seti PIPPS (Pluto is a Planet Protest Society) Somewhere in the (un)known Universe? |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24911 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
Then...... Thatcher - Life at No 10 ... & now........ PCC Paris Brown investigated 2 females - one enters history books, the other? Not sure anyone will remember her in 50 years! |
Es99 Send message Joined: 23 Aug 05 Posts: 10874 Credit: 350,402 RAC: 0 |
Baroness Thatcher dies today. For many, her philosophy was summed up in a magazine interview she gave in 1987. She was an evil witch who destroyed the UK. I'm celebrating her death now with a glass of champagne. Ding Dong the witch is dead! Reality Internet Personality |
Nick Send message Joined: 11 Oct 11 Posts: 4344 Credit: 3,313,107 RAC: 0 |
Baroness Thatcher dies today. For many, her philosophy was summed up in a magazine interview she gave in 1987. I don't believe a word in what you have written here, Es'... The Kite Fliers -------------------- Kite fliers: An imaginary club of solo members, those who don't yet belong to a formal team so "fly their own kites" - as the saying goes. |
Nick Send message Joined: 11 Oct 11 Posts: 4344 Credit: 3,313,107 RAC: 0 |
Late edit - I just returned from the shop intending to buy a Torygraph, but god help me I bought a Mail instead. Unusually for them they have devoted 50% of the paper to her remembrance with a 16 page special pull out, and I have to say it is excellent. They and MP's are calling for a State funeral as was given to Winston Churchill. I'm 50/50 on that. Since a state funeral was what she did not want then no. Maggie was only too aware that to put UK right meant some would have to suffer the consequences from it. More suffered so because previous governments failed to address the problems within the UK so exacerbating the pain to come. They dithered whilst the UK burnt and only Maggie had the foresight and courage to put this fire out. No more than 10 years later Labour comes along and starts to set the touch-paper alight again. At least now we have a government aware that a fire is growing again, just not so sure though that they are brave enough to face the heat when attempting to put this fire out. As the old saying goes, "If you can't stand the heat, then get out of the kitchen" The kitchen is normally the woman's domain, clearly then why Maggie could stand the heat coming via the hard decisions she had to impose as P.M. I wonder if Cameron has enough kitchen experience to be able to handle the heat today?... ...I wonder if he has even ever donned a pair of oven gloves in his life? The Kite Fliers -------------------- Kite fliers: An imaginary club of solo members, those who don't yet belong to a formal team so "fly their own kites" - as the saying goes. |
Nick Send message Joined: 11 Oct 11 Posts: 4344 Credit: 3,313,107 RAC: 0 |
She was an evil witch who destroyed the UK. I'm celebrating her death now with a glass of champagne. So Chris, you consider the above reply to be intellectual then....strange company you keep? The Kite Fliers -------------------- Kite fliers: An imaginary club of solo members, those who don't yet belong to a formal team so "fly their own kites" - as the saying goes. |
Hev Send message Joined: 4 Jun 05 Posts: 1118 Credit: 598,303 RAC: 0 |
Thatcherism was a national catastrophe that still poisons us Also, speaking of the company people keep, check out some of the unsavoury characters that Thatcher hung around with. If you need a list I will supply one later on. |
Nick Send message Joined: 11 Oct 11 Posts: 4344 Credit: 3,313,107 RAC: 0 |
Thatcherism was a national catastrophe that still poisons us Thank you Hev, but no, I don't actually require a list - from you. The Kite Fliers -------------------- Kite fliers: An imaginary club of solo members, those who don't yet belong to a formal team so "fly their own kites" - as the saying goes. |
Nick Send message Joined: 11 Oct 11 Posts: 4344 Credit: 3,313,107 RAC: 0 |
[quote]Without the single-mindedness she showed – whether for sound monetary policy or popular capitalism (marketing shares in utilities to first-time investors), or selling off council houses, or, after 1988, combating climate change – she would not have been able to achieve what she did. But there were times when her refusal to compromise at all, made her political life harder than it might have been and eventually proved her undoing. Namely over the Poll Tax and Europe. With the Poll Tax then the principle behind it was sound but the application totally non-nonsensical. Over Europe then in hindsight most would have to agree she was right in the end. Still, most politicians including Prime Ministers finally meet their Waterloo's especially if they stay around long enough. The Kite Fliers -------------------- Kite fliers: An imaginary club of solo members, those who don't yet belong to a formal team so "fly their own kites" - as the saying goes. |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24911 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
Thatcherism was a national catastrophe that still poisons us Hmmn, lets see.......Just how did she manage to win in 1979? Was it because Jim Callaghan had to go cap in hand to the IMF? Was it the constant strikes by power mad union chiefs where closed shops ruled the day? Rubbish piling up in the streets, bodies piling up in mortuaries. Public service motto up to 1979 "Strike - Strike - Strike" But one comment sticks out like a sore thumb & surprised that the BHL's never noticed it(more than likely, bypassed it)..... "perspective is always good, Thatcher got elected because the country was in economic free-fall and the lights were going out 3 days a week. Never for one second since Thatcher has the electable Left suggested we return to pre-Thatcher industry. Post Thatcher, Tony's cronies, illegal wars, massive immigration forced on a population that didn't want it and financial meltdown. Given the alternative was she so bad." |
Nick Send message Joined: 11 Oct 11 Posts: 4344 Credit: 3,313,107 RAC: 0 |
Hmmn, lets see.......Just how did she manage to win in 1979? Was it because Jim Callaghan had to go cap in hand to the IMF? Was it the constant strikes by power mad union chiefs where closed shops ruled the day? Rubbish piling up in the streets, bodies piling up in mortuaries. ____________ Well Sirius, we know the truth because we lived through these times, before and after. So no ones going to get away with trying to pull the wool over our eyes on this issue. After Maggie left office the whole political system went back to it's old ways again. They all failed to grab the mantle that Maggie left behind because none of them were strong enough of mind to know what to do with it let along know how to use it. The Kite Fliers -------------------- Kite fliers: An imaginary club of solo members, those who don't yet belong to a formal team so "fly their own kites" - as the saying goes. |
Bernie Vine Send message Joined: 26 May 99 Posts: 9958 Credit: 103,452,613 RAC: 328 |
I don't feel one way or another about Margret Thatcher she did her job the way she thought was best. RIP However if you hated someone and what they stood for when they were alive, it would be two faced not to say what you felt. I am very uncomfortable when I see people who did not have a good word for her when she was alive saying nice things about her now she is dead. Either say what you feel or don't spout platitudes. She was not universally liked when alive but seems to be revered in death. We are strange. |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24911 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
Youth PCC stands down "She added: "I accept that I have made comments on social networking sites which have offended many people. I am really sorry for any offence caused." This is what really P's me off...... Apologising after the fact..... She had the intelligence to write them in the 1st place, also had the choice to do drugs & now that it's come back to bite her ass, she apologises? Totally laughable. |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24911 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
Regardless of what friends or enemies say of her, the one issue that can never be taken away from her is the fact that she treated "the Sick Man of Europe" well enough that he recovered. Just a shame that those who came after didn't grasp the reins & continue the ride. |
John Clark Send message Joined: 29 Sep 99 Posts: 16515 Credit: 4,418,829 RAC: 0 |
The posts ES and Hev made, as others said, are not unexpected. Whether one agrees with them that Maggie Thatcher's legacy still poisons the UK or not, it will not last longer than the poisons, both financial and social, the Labour movement has imposed on the current and future generations of UK citizens. Twice they the have made the UK virtually bankrupt - 1978/1979 and again in 2007/2008. It has been argued that the relaxed Banking system was started by Thatcher's government and lead to the toxic decisions by Banks. But Labour, in power from 1997 to 2010 did nothing, so it is again down to the Labour movement. As to social effects, the curbing of Union power, particularly that rabid NUM leader Arthur Scargill, lead to the loss of the UK coal industry. Their leaders were too dim to see what was happening, and just mindful of their one and only objective to destroy the then democratically elected government. I do not think we should make allowances for Scargill and other NUM leader stupidity. Perhaps they should enter for this year's Darwin Awards? It's good to be back amongst friends and colleagues |
Bernie Vine Send message Joined: 26 May 99 Posts: 9958 Credit: 103,452,613 RAC: 328 |
I am very uncomfortable when I see people who did not have a good word for her when she was alive saying nice things about her now she is dead. Either say what you feel or don't spout platitudes. She was not universally liked when alive but seems to be revered in death. Yes people who actually liked and admired her, can and should say what they feel, but in respect of her grieving family all others should shut up. |
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