Texas got the John Hancocks needed today. Don't mess with Texas, they understand hollow points very well!

Guy, so it seems that weapons to horrific to use in war are OK to use domestically.

That's your government that says that, not me.

My now retired Fed friend carried a clip that started with a copper jacket armor piercing round, the rest of the clip was hollow points. They came in boxes marked "for law enforcement use only." Well one day going home from work a 18 wheeler ran over the trunk of his car and some spilled out. When the state highway patrol officers were investigating and helping him pick up the ammo they remarked that the ammo would have been illegal for them to use, never mind a civilian to posses.

<ed>His carry permit, good everywhere in the USA, trusts, territories and possessions, authorized up to and including nukes.

Don't mess with the feds.

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Guy, so it seems that weapons to horrific to use in war are OK to use domestically.

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Guy don't international treaties ban the use of hollow point ammo in warfare?

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The history books have all the answers on this one already.

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#resist

The United States is like the Hotel California, you can check in but you can't check out. It has always amazed me that the Russian states could vote to leave the union but not so here.

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Bob DeWoody

My motto: Never do today what you can put off until tomorrow as it may not be required. This no longer applies in light of current events.

Ok, I'll give you that one.

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[don't you read your own press anymore?

USA doesn't have a press anymore. All they have been able to print is articles on how horrible the GOP is and congratulating themselves on getting Obama reelected. That or some sex scandal.

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20 states are passing around Petition's to remove themselves from the Union. We'll see how the numbers work out. Many reasons, oil and the EPA is one of them reasons...

http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2012/11/20121111142129195368.html
At least we know who the 51st may be.

Been aware of that for days. The Western papers picked that up some time ago....don't you read your own press anymore?

Edit: some proof......

The Guardian - Friday 9th November 2012

Edit some more:

Oh dear.... BBC 7th November 2012

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http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2012/11/20121111142129195368.html
At least we know who the 51st may be.

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This a USA fad that has come over the pond, which won't work in the UK. All it makes me think of is Gotham City and Commissioner Gordon ......

I'm boycotting the whole idea.

I think I will spread it around the community, and I will think hard about voting for this candidate until I know more about his sponsors long term motives.

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It's good to be back amongst friends and colleagues

Oh dear, it looks like the Yanks want to confirm the UK as the 51st state....

Secret US lobbyists behind Lincolnshire's Police Commisssioner Elections

ooops, I'd better be careful on the forum then....It's only 10 minutes up the road.........

Just KISS. It is simple bribery, we put you in, you give us the contract.

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Oh dear, it looks like the Yanks want to confirm the UK as the 51st state....

Secret US lobbyists behind Lincolnshire's Police Commisssioner Elections

ooops, I'd better be careful on the forum then....It's only 10 minutes up the road.........

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Samten, the US twice tried to conquer Canada - Revolutionary War and the War of 1812. Didn't go well.

They made further noises about Canada in the 1840's -- Daniel Webster, as Secretary of State negotiated a settlement which has held since then. (boundary disputes in Maine, and in the Northwest).

The US did acquire by conquest territory from Mexico -- first Texas (via Americans who went there under false pretenses -- primary false pretense being they didn't want to extend slavery to Texas -- part of Mexico -- no slavery allowed), and then via the war of conquest that got the southwest and California.

But other candidate for a 51st state would be Puerto Rico - grabbed from Spain.

Those activities in 19th century (and early 20th century) were pretty much the norm for 'western world' countries -- so one should take care judging them via a 21st century lens.

Then again, it seems there are folks who insist on reading the US Constitution through an 18th century lens.