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Actually I heard on NPR that the President has approved the UN treaty on arms control. I doubt it will pass in congress, But if it does it will effect the 2nd ammendment.

As he stated in the past if reelected I will go after guns.

looks like the NRA hit this one right.

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Old James

Don't worry, we'll have a date established to turn in all semiautomatic assalt rifles, pistols, and shotguns (unless you're a member of a government approved shooting club) before the end of this president's term.

The second amendment will finally be erased by international treaty.

Where do you get this stuff?

I haven't heard a single mutter of the words "gun control" come out of this administration...

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The .44 Magnum actually has quite a bit more energy at the muzzle.
The .22 Long Rifle fired from a 20 inch (50 cm) barrel typically has between 140 and 155 foot pounds of energy at the muzzle.

What is much more significant, however, is that the .22 Long Rifle, due to its small size, has slightly more penetration power than a .357 Magnum! That is why, historically, more people in the U.S. have been killed by .22s than by any other caliber weapon. :(

Remember, never point any gun at someone unless you intend to pull the trigger. The police in the U.S. never do. The only problem is, they -always do- intend to shoot!!!

In my own city there is quite an uproar over the recent actions of the local police. A home security camera caught the following disgusting, but becoming rather common, incident.

A man was on the sidewalk in his neighborhood, walking his family pet, a Labrador, Golden Retriever mix. Two police officers ran up behind him and yanked him backwards, head first, onto the ground, then jumped on him. His only crime? He was intoxicated, so he did not notice he had crossed into a police crime scene under investigation. The dog was properly leashed and records show she had no history of aggressive behavior. She stood about six feet (two meters) from the scene and made no aggressive move. That did not stop a third officer, who arrived literally two seconds after the "take down" began, carrying a 12-guage magnum shotgun, and promptly shot the poor pet not once, but twice!

The elapsed time between his arrival and the second shot, three seconds!

Needless to say, the first shot alone nearly blew the poor girl in half. :(

What is happening to this country?

The force produced by the 0.22 round at 3 feet from the muzzle is 800 fot lbs. A 0.44 magnum at the same distance produces a force of 600 foot lbs.

I shoot my 22, now and then.
You should do your math once again.
I also have a Smith/Wesson 29
and boy does it shoot really fine.
But I believe you off by a factor of ten.

.224 BOZ

Your right. ;-)

The Bloke is off by a factor + 10. LOL!

In the UK the development of the BOZ 0.22"hand gun cartridge, with a patented oversquare shoulder has a muzzle velocity of 4,500 fps and can penetrate the snatch Land Rover's armoured glass.

The force produced by the 0.22 round at 3 feet from the muzzle is 800 fot lbs. A 0.44 magnum at the same distance produces a force of 600 foot lbs.

DAMN! :-)

In the UK the development of the BOZ 0.22"hand gun cartridge, with a patented oversquare shoulder has a muzzle velocity of 4,500 fps and can penetrate the snatch Land Rover's armoured glass.

The force produced by the 0.22 round at 3 feet from the muzzle is 800 fot lbs. A 0.44 magnum at the same distance produces a force of 600 foot lbs.

This is a round for modigied handguns used by the Special Forces.

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muzzle velocity .17 Fun and cheap to shoot. Nice reach...

muzzle velocity 5.56

Going back to the time of the NATO Small Arms trials (1978) before standardising on the 5.56 round. The trial SA80s for the UK was chambered at 4.82 mm, and could deliver 80KJ of energy in to a soldier wearing a flack jacket at 300 metres. A kill shot.

Pity the SA80, then, was operationally crap ...

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Reading back on your other post, I've realised why I never had an issue with the SLR & throughly enjoyed using it - I'm left handed.

Going back to the first para of your original post and the change from 7.62 to 5.56. I'm not sure I like that move. Tests in the early 60's on the Armalite, by Stirlings of SMG fame, showed that to get a get a good knock down you had to increase the muzzle velocity. This didn't always work as the rounds tended not to slow down if they didn't hit bone and cause only minor injuries.

The increase in charge to get the higher velocity also had the effect of unbalancing the round so that it tumbled, reducing the range consuderably, but if it did hit the enemy it caused lots of damage. i.e. sever an arm or leg.

I also want my enemy badly wounded or dead, having to look after slightly injured survivors and provide guards is a waste of manpower.

Reading back on your other post, I've realised why I never had an issue with the SLR & throughly enjoyed using it - I'm left handed.

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Quite correct, sorry WK, should have said "for it's range". When used as an individual weapon its effective range was 300 metres when used in team mode, its effective range doubled to 600 metres. Street to street fighting, it was too effective Hence the need for a smaller weapon.

As for its weight, I never had an issue with it.

But the previous personal weapon used by the UK Forces, the Lee Enfield 303, could be used by most experienced users at ranges over 300m quite easily.

I had several 10in groups at 600m with the 303, and struggled to get that at 300m with the SLR.

Didn't worry me much, early in my service, when in infantry mode I was bren user. And later the SLR was not my personal weapon.

The SLR was the best rifle to date the British Army had.

Definitely NOT.

It was too long and heavy. In 82, some people used 66mm to take out the enemy because the SLR couldn't be used in the close confines found on the hills.

Modified so there was no automatic mode.

Designed to be right hand operated only.

You had to release left hand to cock the weapon, a task on most good weapons done with the same hand as you use for the trigger.

Show me any snippers or special forces that choose it as weapon of choice.

Quite correct, sorry WK, should have said "for it's range". When used as an individual weapon its effective range was 300 metres when used in team mode, its effective range doubled to 600 metres. Street to street fighting, it was too effective Hence the need for a smaller weapon.

As for its weight, I never had an issue with it.

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The Geneva convention is too duplicious! It changed the regulations oh high powered rounds like the 7.62mm as used by the majority of NATO forces as it does too much damage to the human body, so we're now using 5.56mm.

I'm just wondering why our GPMG's are still in use with 7.62mm. It's ok for a force weapon to continue but not personal weapons?

The SLR was the best rifle to date the British Army had.

Hell, there are, and I own, AP rounds in 5.56mm! LOL

The SLR was the best rifle to date the British Army had.

Definitely NOT.

It was too long and heavy. In 82, some people used 66mm to take out the enemy because the SLR couldn't be used in the close confines found on the hills.

Modified so there was no automatic mode.

Designed to be right hand operated only.

You had to release left hand to cock the weapon, a task on most good weapons done with the same hand as you use for the trigger.

Show me any snippers or special forces that choose it as weapon of choice.

The Geneva convention is too duplicious! It changed the regulations oh high powered rounds like the 7.62mm as used by the majority of NATO forces as it does too much damage to the human body, so we're now using 5.56mm.

I'm just wondering why our GPMG's are still in use with 7.62mm. It's ok for a force weapon to continue but not personal weapons?

The SLR was the best rifle to date the British Army had.

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