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Message 1302639 - Posted: 5 Nov 2012, 22:30:36 UTC - in response to Message 1302226.  

@Gary's; shouldn't it be based on population, rather than physical size of the state? I mean really... Come on. You'd be giving greater power to states with much smaller populations. Which is an existing issue, with the senate IMHO. Then again some of us prefer thinking of the US as one country, and others want it to be 50 countries.

It is 50 countries. Each state is a sovereign. And we would end up with the same mess the EU has.

Now how about that third house with repeal power being based on property value owned by people not corporations? And only property owners can vote for them. All that huge block of disenfranchised Manhattan high rises ...

Why don't you just make it only white male property owners and take yourselves all the way back to the 1790s?

You get one vote for every $1000.00 or part thereof you pay in tax, less any entitlement payments. Income tax, sales tax, property tax, luxury tax ... less earned income credit, TANF ...

Franklin was a brilliant man ... :)



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Message 1302662 - Posted: 5 Nov 2012, 23:31:33 UTC - in response to Message 1302639.  

Gary, in the past a poll tax was effective in the disenfranchisement of large sectors of the populace, your proposal would work.
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Message 1302691 - Posted: 6 Nov 2012, 0:41:28 UTC - in response to Message 1302639.  

Excellent -- an oligarchy. But to make that really work, since corporations are people too, they also would get votes based on this.



You get one vote for every $1000.00 or part thereof you pay in tax, less any entitlement payments. Income tax, sales tax, property tax, luxury tax ... less earned income credit, TANF ...

Franklin was a brilliant man ... :)



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Message 1302714 - Posted: 6 Nov 2012, 2:25:39 UTC - in response to Message 1302691.  

Excellent -- an oligarchy. But to make that really work, since corporations are people too, they also would get votes based on this.



You get one vote for every $1000.00 or part thereof you pay in tax, less any entitlement payments. Income tax, sales tax, property tax, luxury tax ... less earned income credit, TANF ...

Franklin was a brilliant man ... :)





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Message 1302737 - Posted: 6 Nov 2012, 4:59:49 UTC
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I see anyone that thinks their vote should be more valuable than anyone elses as a trading opportunity. Buy them for what they are worth, sell them for what they think they are worth.

Edit: I could make a lot of money on Romney.
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Message 1302806 - Posted: 6 Nov 2012, 11:19:50 UTC - in response to Message 1302787.  
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The point is that whoever wins today, is only going to have the confidence of 50% of the American nation. is that a true mandate to govern?


Probably not even 50%, because voter turnout in the USA tends to be low (<60% of eligible voters) by international standards. Also in most states people have to register first, a process that is not always easy. Have a look for republican or GOP suppression laws.

Also if you are a republican is it worth voting in the large costal cities, of if you are a democrat is it worth voting in the bible belt.
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Message 1302813 - Posted: 6 Nov 2012, 11:47:41 UTC - in response to Message 1302810.  

Soooooo, in which case, how much mandate does a USA President have to run the country, and presumably declare war on the rest of the world, in the name of the American people?


Good question, but you also didn't see that because of the Electoral College system that you don't have to win the most votes (they call it the popular vote). i.e. G.W.

Even with all this rushing about by the two candidates, 23 states have only had a total of 5 visits between them, from both candidates. Because those states are cast-in-stone foregone conclusions.
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Message 1302846 - Posted: 6 Nov 2012, 14:55:30 UTC - in response to Message 1302806.  

Also in most states people have to register first, a process that is not always easy. Have a look for republican or GOP suppression laws.

Hard for some to understand but Americans aren't issued papers which they must carry with them at all times. So it becomes necessary to try and figure out who is who before you hand them a ballot they might not be entitled to. Except in Chicago where the motto is vote early and vote often.


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Message 1302859 - Posted: 6 Nov 2012, 15:42:14 UTC
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I thought you driver license, with photo ID, is such a document, and you are required to carry them when out driving ...

Chris is correct, but the election card is not mandatory when voting, at least not here ...
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Message 1302861 - Posted: 6 Nov 2012, 15:45:29 UTC

We dont have a master list of voters. Each county in the State has a voting list. They still carry my daugter even though she has registerd in Colorado to vote. Whats to stop her from voting here and in Colorado. See thats the problem in the US. Dont even mention Chigago. More dead people vote there than anywhere else in the US.

As long as we dont have a natioanl registry voter fraud will be prevalent. But the dems like illegal voters. Thats why they give away stuff.
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Message 1302867 - Posted: 6 Nov 2012, 16:07:23 UTC - in response to Message 1302858.  


In the UK, everyone is listed on the Electoral Register which is held at local Town Halls, and which is a mandatory requirement. Those on the register get sent an official polling card which they present at the polling station to receive their voting paper.


That sounds like too simple of a solution for the US. ;-)

Just send every registered voter a card to use for their vote. I like it.

Thing is here they don't want it that simple, there is a deeper agenda behind our newfound restrictive voting rules (which seem to be being proposed only in swing states, imagine that).
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Message 1302910 - Posted: 7 Nov 2012, 0:06:30 UTC - in response to Message 1302867.  

(which seem to be being proposed only in swing states, imagine that).

You mean they haven't yet divided it into swing blocks in swing precincts in swing counties in swing states? You know they will soon enough. After all, the rest if a foregone conclusion, only where it isn't does it matter. Data analysis is the new power.


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Message 1303288 - Posted: 7 Nov 2012, 21:26:28 UTC - in response to Message 1302861.  

As long as we dont have a natioanl registry voter fraud will be prevalent.


And the evidence for this accusation is? (hint: virtually non-existent)
I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ...

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Message 1303302 - Posted: 7 Nov 2012, 22:23:59 UTC - in response to Message 1303288.  

As long as we dont have a natioanl registry voter fraud will be prevalent.


And the evidence for this accusation is? (hint: virtually non-existent)

compared to the desire to eliminate 100's of thousands from voting by the poll tax that Conservatives once again tried to push through, I'm willing to say 10 cheaters is not a conspiracy in 110 million votes let alone a precinct


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Message 1303315 - Posted: 7 Nov 2012, 22:55:08 UTC - in response to Message 1303302.  
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As long as we dont have a natioanl registry voter fraud will be prevalent.


And the evidence for this accusation is? (hint: virtually non-existent)

compared to the desire to eliminate 100's of thousands from voting by the poll tax that Conservatives once again tried to push through, I'm willing to say 10 cheaters is not a conspiracy in 110 million votes let alone a precinct

How big or small is the problem, any figures available?
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Message 1303325 - Posted: 7 Nov 2012, 23:15:30 UTC - in response to Message 1303315.  

As long as we dont have a natioanl registry voter fraud will be prevalent.


And the evidence for this accusation is? (hint: virtually non-existent)

compared to the desire to eliminate 100's of thousands from voting by the poll tax that Conservatives once again tried to push through, I'm willing to say 10 cheaters is not a conspiracy in 110 million votes let alone a precinct

How big or small is the problem, any figures available?

If there were figures available then the people would be kicked off the rolls. Historically in some areas, e.g. Chicago, it has been more than enough to tip an election. However the real fraud today is in the vote by mail route. Register on the Internet and no one sees you. Get an absentee ballot and mail it back. How many times can you vote that way? A whole bunch. America needs to face up to this and deal with it and uniformly.

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Message 1303330 - Posted: 7 Nov 2012, 23:23:37 UTC - in response to Message 1303325.  

However the real fraud today is in the vote by mail route. Register on the Internet and no one sees you. Get an absentee ballot and mail it back. How many times can you vote that way? A whole bunch. America needs to face up to this and deal with it and uniformly.


Exactly the same as it is here across the pond, as stated by Chris in an earlier
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Message 1303411 - Posted: 8 Nov 2012, 4:33:51 UTC - in response to Message 1303325.  

As long as we dont have a natioanl registry voter fraud will be prevalent.


And the evidence for this accusation is? (hint: virtually non-existent)

compared to the desire to eliminate 100's of thousands from voting by the poll tax that Conservatives once again tried to push through, I'm willing to say 10 cheaters is not a conspiracy in 110 million votes let alone a precinct

How big or small is the problem, any figures available?

If there were figures available then the people would be kicked off the rolls. Historically in some areas, e.g. Chicago, it has been more than enough to tip an election. However the real fraud today is in the vote by mail route. Register on the Internet and no one sees you. Get an absentee ballot and mail it back. How many times can you vote that way? A whole bunch. America needs to face up to this and deal with it and uniformly.

even registering online you'd have to have a valid address and eventually prove that you actually live somewhere. They know when you provide a false address. Also multiple registrations at 1 single family address sends up red flags which causes the elections folks to send out mailers to determine residency. Also changes in drivers license addresses gets you a mailer. How do I know? I got a mailer. I had to check that yes I had moved to this address from the previous one in this county. I think that you think its pretty easy to fool the system or even game it. It is very hard to get a fake voter registration without some form of residency documentation. and the penalty for having a fake voters card is harsh enough to deter anyone from really wanting to try.


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Message 1303419 - Posted: 8 Nov 2012, 5:03:17 UTC

So this thanksgiving day, is the President going to pardon big bird??
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