I disagree. I think suggesting that aliens are the basis of the stories of the Bible make even less sense. Sure, you could take pieces of the book and interpret them to sound like it was ancient aliens, but there are so many holes in that theory that it just doesn't hold water. You can keep forcing the stories to make sense by picking and choosing what you want to support your theory, but this is the exact opposite of science, which is to let the data bring you to the conclusion.

I agree with almost everything said here. The bible is a violent book. Many of the stories are not pretty. The bible is very graphic.

Look i think it was Ancient Aliens TV show suggesting that the book of Ezekiel described a UFO that started me reading the bible again. I never would have read it otherwise. But the book of Ezekiel really does sound like some type of UFO. And so do many of the other bible stories, they sound like ET encounters. All the bible stories start to make sense if this guy called "God" is not God, but a human scientist "playing God" with the people down in the middle east.

John.

There have been many, many religions that are completely different over a very long time, and different continents. Polytheism vs monotheism. Each with a completely different view, and each ready to kill to defend their beliefs. None of them stand up to any serious scrutiny.

Steve

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I agree with almost everything said here. The bible is a violent book. Many of the stories are not pretty. The bible is very graphic.

Look i think it was Ancient Aliens TV show suggesting that the book of Ezekiel described a UFO that started me reading the bible again. I never would have read it otherwise. But the book of Ezekiel really does sound like some type of UFO. And so do many of the other bible stories, they sound like ET encounters. All the bible stories start to make sense if this guy called "God" is not God, but a human scientist "playing God" with the people down in the middle east.

John.

like the rape pillaging and genocide that occurred in the name of god. Sounds shockingly familar to modern times. It seems the more things change the more they stay the same

Exactly, so it doesn't say much for the bible then does it?

It really makes me wonder why anyone worships it in the first place. You can add incest, sodomy, and rule by fear and intimidation to the content. God creating horrific acts, like torturing Joeb, killing his family just to get a rise out of him. Any modern person would be given a death sentence for a tiny fraction of what God is said to have done.

Steve

Edit: God even had to torture and kill his own son just to make a point, that in the long run changed nothing.

[ETA]Encouraging[/ETA] Cannibalism is my favorite.

[ETA]Matthew 26:26 “Take, eat, this is my body.” ... 26:27 - 26:28 “Drink from it, all of you, for this is my blood”[/ETA]

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I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ...

like the rape pillaging and genocide that occurred in the name of god. Sounds shockingly familar to modern times. It seems the more things change the more they stay the same

Exactly, so it doesn't say much for the bible then does it?

It really makes me wonder why anyone worships it in the first place. You can add incest, sodomy, and rule by fear and intimidation to the content. God creating horrific acts, like torturing Joeb, killing his family just to get a rise out of him. Any modern person would be given a death sentence for a tiny fraction of what God is said to have done.

Steve

Edit: God even had to torture and kill his own son just to make a point, that in the long run changed nothing.

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like the rape pillaging and genocide that occurred in the name of god. Sounds shockingly familar to modern times. It seems the more things change the more they stay the same

Exactly, so it doesn't say much for the bible then does it?

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like the rape pillaging and genocide that occurred in the name of god. Sounds shockingly familar to modern times. It seems the more things change the more they stay the same

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So the only way of knowing if the information was correct, is to re-read the information again when your an adult. When you re-read the information again with a mature educated mind, only then can you properly evaluate the information.

I read it as recently as three years ago. The more educated I get, the more I get angry with what is in the Bible, especially the Old Testament. As someone else once put it, "The most damning evidence of the Bible is reading the Bible itself". This person recommended anyone who was interested to read the Bible for themselves to know exactly messed up it is. I fully recommend the same, as I agree with you that people most often are introduced to religion through their upbringing, never knowing to question what they're told and never knowing the full story.

One caveat is that I suggest that no one be allowed to read it with a specific interpretation, but to interpret for themselves what they think it means. Most people, if they read the Bible, would become horrified by what they read, just like I was.

I've already read the Bible, both Old and New Testaments. In fact, I still have my copy. What makes you think that none of us have actually read the Bible in the first place?

And the answer is, if ET wrote the Bible, I would be disheartened by the state of the Universe and the lack of intelligent out there.

Yes, i assume most, if not the majority, of people here will have a rough outline of the bible stories from their childhood. But that doesn't count! Children can't tell the difference!

I never read the bible until very recently. I have a vague recollection of the biblical stories from my early childhood, maybe i heard them in primary school or something, i don't really remember. Maybe my mother read them too me or something.

When your very young, less than about 13 years of age, you have no way of knowing if the information your are being taught in school or church is correct information. You just accept whatever they tell you. If they teach you that Casper the ghost created the universe, children just accept it, they don't know the difference. So if they taught you the bible stories, you had no way of making a proper judgement about the information while you were very young.

So the only way of knowing if the information was correct, is to re-read the information again when your an adult. When you re-read the information again with a mature educated mind, only then can you properly evaluate the information.

John.

The Bible is loaded with contradictions, changes, forgeries, and misinformation. I strongly suggest some of Bart D. Ehrman's books. He is a biblical scholar, and spent his life learning ancient Greek, Aramic, and pouring over the oldest remnants of documents.

A very good book to start with is,
Misquoting Jesus

Steve

for 43 cents I'm willing to read a copy

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The Bible is loaded with contradictions, changes, forgeries, and misinformation. I strongly suggest some of Bart D. Ehrman's books. He is a biblical scholar, and spent his life learning ancient Greek, Aramic, and pouring over the oldest remnants of documents.

A very good book to start with is,
Misquoting Jesus

Steve

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I've already read the Bible, both Old and New Testaments. In fact, I still have my copy. What makes you think that none of us have actually read the Bible in the first place?

And the answer is, if ET wrote the Bible, I would be disheartened by the state of the Universe and the lack of intelligent out there.

So anyway guys,
If ET really did give us all the stories in the bible, would you start reading the bible and studying it?

Was God and ET?

John.

Interesting story Chris.
Thanks for the link!

John.

There ya go Johnney, wanna help?


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-19964786

I spoke gibberish Mark.

Surely the word is "speak" rather than "spoke"?

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I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ...

Chris,
How have you called my bluff?

By inviting you to come over to England and proclaim your views at Hyde Park Corner. Are you going to do it?

I done it already Chris :)

Back in the early 1990's, i made my first trip to London. On my first night in a city i wasn't familiar with, me and my mate went to the pub to meet other friends that we were supposed to stay with. Well the other friends never turned up so me and my mate went out drinking and night-clubbing anyway. We ended up with two Spanish girls and we had no choice but to sleep rough near Hyde Park Corner. So i did some preaching with the Spanish girl, but we weren't discussing God :)

John.

You spoke Spanish?

I spoke gibberish Mark, i was drunk!

John.

Chris,
How have you called my bluff?

By inviting you to come over to England and proclaim your views at Hyde Park Corner. Are you going to do it?

I done it already Chris :)

Back in the early 1990's, i made my first trip to London. On my first night in a city i wasn't familiar with, me and my mate went to the pub to meet other friends that we were supposed to stay with. Well the other friends never turned up so me and my mate went out drinking and night-clubbing anyway. We ended up with two Spanish girls and we had no choice but to sleep rough near Hyde Park Corner. So i did some preaching with the Spanish girl, but we weren't discussing God :)

John.

You spoke Spanish?


Something tells me you might have been speaking a little French.
I have been known to be a bit bilingual myself at times.

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Chris,
How have you called my bluff?

By inviting you to come over to England and proclaim your views at Hyde Park Corner. Are you going to do it?

I done it already Chris :)

Back in the early 1990's, i made my first trip to London. On my first night in a city i wasn't familiar with, me and my mate went to the pub to meet other friends that we were supposed to stay with. Well the other friends never turned up so me and my mate went out drinking and night-clubbing anyway. We ended up with two Spanish girls and we had no choice but to sleep rough near Hyde Park Corner. So i did some preaching with the Spanish girl, but we weren't discussing God :)

John.

Then there is the question of who made who that I WILL always come back to. The First Mover had to have made the Universe. Since it would appear that we are the only ones who occupy this verse who made us?

Life is also not by chance. Prove it and I'll eat that tinfoil hat.

Prove multiverses and I'll eat that tinfoil hat.

Again, you lack an understanding of the scientific process. There must be evidence of this 'Mover' before we can attribute life to it. Until then, chance is the only explanation that doesn't require belief in a hypothesis without evidence. And again, you've already provided the odds that however remote, there is a chance that it can happen.