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Julie Send message Joined: 28 Oct 09 Posts: 34053 Credit: 18,883,157 RAC: 18 |
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Julie Send message Joined: 28 Oct 09 Posts: 34053 Credit: 18,883,157 RAC: 18 |
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Julie Send message Joined: 28 Oct 09 Posts: 34053 Credit: 18,883,157 RAC: 18 |
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Julie Send message Joined: 28 Oct 09 Posts: 34053 Credit: 18,883,157 RAC: 18 |
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Mike Ryan Send message Joined: 24 Jun 99 Posts: 46 Credit: 24,363,752 RAC: 47 |
Just keep in mind that MANY of the things that can't be explained today are things that are possibly classified aircraft. For example, I've seen reports of UFOs that tend to have the following characteristics: 1) No reported engine noise. 2) So big it was "blocking out the stars." 3) Moving too slow to be a plane, too fast to be something like a balloon. 4) Nothing reported by airport radar. However a little creative thinking yields that something like the high speed (100-200 knots) heavy lift blimps the military is (possibly) evaluating would fit all of the above. Yet they're not much fancier than blimp technology from 100 years ago. (Save for the radar evading technology.) If you'd seen a B2 Spirit bomber in the early 1980's when it was being developed, you'd been convinced that the USAF had NOTHING like it. Of course we all now know not only DID we, but I'm sure you can extrapolate that with modern equipment (look how far computers have come since the 1980's) there are some pretty wild things out there the military is using and/or testing. |
Lynn Send message Joined: 20 Nov 00 Posts: 14162 Credit: 79,603,650 RAC: 123 |
UFOs in Liberty County puzzle deputies and residents Great balls of fire! That's the description an excited caller gave to Liberty County's 911 emergency dispatcher about UFOs that he'd spotted about 8:30 p.m. Saturday. The caller reported that the red fireballs were on the county's east side and traveling in a southwesterly direction. |
Julie Send message Joined: 28 Oct 09 Posts: 34053 Credit: 18,883,157 RAC: 18 |
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Lynn Send message Joined: 20 Nov 00 Posts: 14162 Credit: 79,603,650 RAC: 123 |
Interesting. Thanx for the link Lynn :) Welcome Julie :-) This one is also strange. Mysterious Perfectly Formed Pond Circles Appear in NY, Work of UFO's? [PHOTO] Mysterious pond circles have been spotted in a pond in upstate New York, sparking talks about a potential visit from extraterrestrial beings, according to reports. |
Julie Send message Joined: 28 Oct 09 Posts: 34053 Credit: 18,883,157 RAC: 18 |
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Lynn Send message Joined: 20 Nov 00 Posts: 14162 Credit: 79,603,650 RAC: 123 |
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Julie Send message Joined: 28 Oct 09 Posts: 34053 Credit: 18,883,157 RAC: 18 |
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Julie Send message Joined: 28 Oct 09 Posts: 34053 Credit: 18,883,157 RAC: 18 |
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Allie in Vancouver Send message Joined: 16 Mar 07 Posts: 3949 Credit: 1,604,668 RAC: 0 |
Just personal opinion but I could never buy into any of the alien visitation theories. This distances involved are just so incredibly massive and the energy cost in travelling those distances (even for a super-advanced civilization) would be just too great. Sometimes I think that people really don't appreciate just how massively huge the universe is. Do aliens exist? The numbers would seem to indicate that they likely do. Do aliens visit earth? The same numbers seem to indicate that they likely do not. Pure mathematics is, in its way, the poetry of logical ideas. Albert Einstein |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 20265 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
... This one is also strange. Strange: yes. 'Mysterious' enough to invoke "it must be devilish aliens!"? I don't think so. The pattern of ice melt looks very natural to me, promoted from specific 'seed' points. Similar examples are such as: Lackford Lakes ice melt Carbon in permafrost and tomorrow’s atmosphere (see the ice heave picture) Now for a really fun one, see: Salmon River Ice Circle Photo Story Keep searchin', Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
Julie Send message Joined: 28 Oct 09 Posts: 34053 Credit: 18,883,157 RAC: 18 |
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William Rothamel Send message Joined: 25 Oct 06 Posts: 3756 Credit: 1,999,735 RAC: 4 |
How can this occur since in our Can you point to a case where an actual message has been sent faster than the speed of light? I have always believed this was impossible. In your description a super accurate clock should be able to tell us what the size of the other dimension is in terms of being distant from our 3-D world. |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 20265 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
How can this occur since in our They are connected by their recent history - the '4th dimension' we call "time". I suspect that there is a trick of oscillating hidden state at play, with the 'entanglement' synchronising the start conditions... Can you point to a case where an actual message has been sent faster than the speed of light? There are various examples of abstract thought and coincidence that appear to operate faster than all possible feats of communication. A good example for example is that of the Battle of the River Plate: The two British ships are joined by the Cumberland. Everyone marvels that the ship made the 1,000 mile trip in 35 hours. They ask how they made the voyage so fast and the message comes back: Anticipation. In your description a super accurate clock should be able to tell us what the size of the other dimension is in terms of being distant from our 3-D world. How so? We have the circular problem that the best we can do with regard to time is measure it only with respect to movement/oscillation in our '3d' physical dimensions... ('Movement/Oscillation' is dependent on the very same 'time' which is what we're trying to measure in some way...) That is analogous to the problem of whether or not we would be able to realize if we were within a simulation... The actors in the film Matrix had a few obvious clues with such as black cats... ;-) Keep searchin', Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
Allie in Vancouver Send message Joined: 16 Mar 07 Posts: 3949 Credit: 1,604,668 RAC: 0 |
Hiyah Kenz. My biggest issue with the whole idea of alien visitation is the question of why? No matter how advanced your civilization, travel between the stars is going to be a very costly enterprise. Why would they bother? To all available observations there are plenty of planets out there if they were desperate for natural resources. Likewise the more we look the more likely it seems that life itself is relatively abundant. And I refuse to believe that they would come here because we humans are here. That's just human arrogance speaking - really, we are not very interesting. So, why would they pay that enormous energy budget to come here? There is no reason why they would. Therefore, they don't. Pure mathematics is, in its way, the poetry of logical ideas. Albert Einstein |
Julie Send message Joined: 28 Oct 09 Posts: 34053 Credit: 18,883,157 RAC: 18 |
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Allie in Vancouver Send message Joined: 16 Mar 07 Posts: 3949 Credit: 1,604,668 RAC: 0 |
My biggest issue with the whole idea of alien visitation is the question of why? No matter how advanced your civilization, travel between the stars is going to be a very costly enterprise. So, why would they pay that enormous energy budget to come here? There is no reason why they would. Therefore, they don't. Star Trek = science fiction where it is very easy to travel around the universe. Reality is that space is really, really, really big and no matter how advanced your technology it is going to be very, very, very difficult to get anywhere beyond their home solar system. I don't think that you or Julie have any true appreciation for just how vast these distances really are. You don't make that kind of undertaking without some very compelling reasons. I've yet to hear any reason that makes any kind of rational sense. I suspect that people believe in alien visitation for the same reason that others believe in some invisible man-in-the-sky. They want it to be true. But wanting something to be true doesn't make it true. It just makes the believers easy targets for you-tube pranksters and con-artists. Pure mathematics is, in its way, the poetry of logical ideas. Albert Einstein |
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